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 Date: November 07, 2007 23:30
 Submitted by:  JeffX
 Source: TOV News
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One of the highlights of my trip to Tokyo late last month was having the opportunity to drive the all-new Japanese-spec Civic Type R. While that's a dream come true by itself, the frosting on this cake was the fact that we were driving it on the East Course of Twin Ring Motegi.

On sale in Japan since the spring, at 1270kg (2794lb) this latest Type R weighs quite a bit more than both the EP3-based Civic Type R (+60kg) and DC5 Integra Type R (+100kg), yet it is again motivated by a factory-tuned K20A. The newest iteration of Honda's sweet 2.0L 4-banger is now rated at 225ps, a scant 10ps improvement over the last Civic Type-R (and only 5ps more than the DC5 Integra Type R's K20A), but it pulls the new Civic Type R around with far more anger than the figures might suggest. In fact, during our encounter with the Civic Type R, we also had the opportunity to drive a 2.2L S2000, a Civic Hybrid race car, and an Accord i-CTDi race car, and the Civic Type R felt quicker than all of these.

The Civic Type R's chassis felt just about perfect, with phenomenal braking power and feel, amazing grip from the Bridgestone Potenza P225/40R18 RE070s, and a degree of neutrality that most folks wouldn't be able to associate with a front-wheel drive vehicle. Honda switched the electrical power steering in favor of a more traditional hydraulic assist unit, but to be honest, the steering felt so intuitive to me I failed to pick up on any significant difference in terms of feel vs. the steering in our US-market Si models. There isn't the slightest hint of torque steer, but powering out of certain turns I did notice a bit of the same axle windup effect that we've observed in the TOV's stiffly-spring Project Civic Si. After driving the car and checking the spec sheets, based upon the handling alone, I can't figure out how Honda could make those extra 220lbs seemingly vanish. From my recollection of the last time I drove a DC5 Integra Type R, this Civic Type R gives away nothing to the DC5.

Prior to driving the FD2 Civic Type R, I had read reports that the suspension is somewhat brutal in terms of ride quality. After hopping a few kerbs in the new CTR, I can see where some people might complain, but this is a Type-R, and the Type-R badge declares that it was meant for the circuit. By comparison, the custom Progress suspension on the TOV's Project Civic Si is less forgiving, and I consider it to be sitting right on the edge of acceptability for daily driving, so the Type-R's is closer to what I would consider to be the best compromise for daily driving and circuit use and canyon carving.

I've always been a huge fan of Honda's R-spec K20A engines, and this one feels like it's the best yet. I can't say that Honda's underrating the motor, but given its curb weight, this CTR really hauls some booty. As with its progenitors, it revs smoothly and freely, sounds fantastic, and has been paired with a gearbox that features perfectly matched ratios and world-class shifter feel. BONUS: Though the CTR's K20A is fitted with a drive by wire system, during my time with the car, I never sensed the lag or rev hanging that plagues most of Honda's DBW implementations on US-market cars. All in all, the sheer mechanical excellence of this powertrain puts it in elite company. Sure, there are faster cars out there, but there are few that can match the sheer pleasure of running the Civic Type R through the gears. There are perhaps even fewer that put together a total package that feels as "right" as this car does.

What's the downside? Every time I go to Japan and I get the opportunity to drive these near-perfect specimens, I am elated and ever-grateful to my hosts to have had the opportunity, but I can't help the fact that my emotions include disappointment that these vehicles still aren't offered in the US-market. I started the Temple of VTEC many years ago based upon my great admiration for Honda's engineering talents, and models like the Civic Type-R represent the pinnacle of these talents. The Type-R is a no-compromise car that isn't meant to appeal to the masses, but is greatly appreciated by hard-core enthusiasts. Our appeal to Honda to import Type-Rs to the US has never subsided, and as somebody who's been involved with the Honda enthusiast community for so long, it's difficult to ignore the sense of disappointment (and in some cases, resentment) expressed by the enthusiasts in Honda's largest market. The idea of the Type-R is fantastic, but continuing to withhold these special models from the USA (#1 consumers of Honda's hottest sports models) could have dire long-term consequences. Having said that, I think I speak for the majority of potential buyers by saying we're only interested in buying a Civic Type-R if everything makes it over here intact. I do not want to see the suspension softened, or the 4-piston Brembo brakes deleted, or a lesser motor fitted - it's pretty much all or nothing. The JDM body panels would be a nice touch too, but maybe not so much of a deal-killer. It's understandable if a few hp are lost due to fuel or emissions differences, but this car would not be special enough if it were fitted with a standard Civic Si motor.

Honda has not ruled out bringing the car to the US, and in speaking with several executives and members of Honda's product planning group, they seem to be open to persuasion. When asked what it would take to persuade them, they said that they cannot accept bribes. Yeah, I tried. But letters from prospective customers would help make the case.

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At the moment we don't have a postal address available for you to aim letters, but if you would like to submit an e-mail to iwantacivictyper@vtec.net with your vote, we will forward them on to the appropriate folks. Within the e-mail, please include your real name and hometown as well as a brief note stating that you would be sincerely interested in purchasing a Civic Type R. You might also want to include what you would consider to be a fair and legitimate price range for the Civic Type R. Believe me, if you are a true hard-core Honda fan, you WANT this car.

Video Clip
I sat in the back seat of one of the CTRs while Roger Hart (of Autoweek) kindly chauffeured me around the track while I tried my darnedest to keep my camcorder as still as possible during a hot lap. As you will see in the following clip, I was only moderately successful in my battle against the G-forces. Obviously I would have liked to have been able to set up some cameras outside of the car, but our day was cram packed with activities and there simply was no time.

Have a look at the cornering attitude displayed by the CTR in the early portion of this trailer for Best Motoring's "Civic Type R Returns" video. I received this DVD recently - if you're a Type R fan, you'll definitely want to pick this one up.


Last edited by JeffX on November 09, 2007 08:43

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11-08-2007 11:43
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-08-2007 14:10
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jero
11-08-2007 14:25
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-08-2007 14:30
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jero
11-08-2007 17:10
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-08-2007 17:20
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Wizard
11-08-2007 09:40
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
silverf161
11-08-2007 11:36
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Wizard
11-08-2007 11:40
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-08-2007 20:50
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
11-09-2007 00:33
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jero
11-09-2007 11:35
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
wrussi
11-08-2007 18:39
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
klui_188
11-08-2007 19:37
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
televascular
11-08-2007 19:50
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-13-2007 01:43
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
06GGNAVISI
11-13-2007 10:25
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jero
11-13-2007 10:28
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jero
11-08-2007 20:01
Re: What is a fair and reasonable price range?   (Score: 1, Normal)
dynatos
11-08-2007 10:20
Did someone snap off the armrest or is it off by design?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Honda-D
11-08-2007 13:30
Re: Did someone snap off the armrest or is it off by design?   (Score: 1, Normal)
ml2spin
11-08-2007 14:39
Re: Did someone snap off the armrest or is it off by design?   (Score: 1, Normal)
gila
11-09-2007 07:46
Re: Did someone snap off the armrest or is it off by design?   (Score: 1, Normal)
ml2spin
11-13-2007 08:32
Re: Did someone snap off the armrest or is it off by design?   (Score: 1, Normal)
toda_k20
11-08-2007 05:46
What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Oracle99
11-08-2007 07:55
Re: What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Mugen Power
11-08-2007 11:36
Re: What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-08-2007 16:07
Re: What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Jader88EX
11-08-2007 22:18
Re: What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Honda_4_Life
11-10-2007 07:29
Re: What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Oracle99
11-13-2007 01:45
Re: What about a 2 Door?   (Score: 1, Normal)
06GGNAVISI
11-12-2007 20:21
Civic Hybrid race car = CR-Z?   (Score: 1, Normal)
rwarden
11-09-2007 15:44
Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
11-09-2007 19:34
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
Wizard
11-09-2007 19:54
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
jeffbatt
11-09-2007 21:09
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
dynatos
11-09-2007 23:30
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
shingles
11-10-2007 01:41
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
DCR
11-10-2007 02:40
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
Shabaaz
11-12-2007 00:15
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
s2ktaxi
11-12-2007 00:35
Re: Something to remember about pricing   (Score: 1, Normal)
330R
11-10-2007 18:19
Winding Road News Blurb from February   (Score: 1, Normal)
330R
11-12-2007 00:12
Re: Winding Road News Blurb from February   (Score: 1, Normal)
s2ktaxi
11-11-2007 03:45
My letter...   (Score: 1, Normal)
330R
11-11-2007 22:49
Re: My letter...   (Score: 1, Normal)
DCR
11-10-2007 12:13
Wallpaper versions of the pictures   (Score: 1, Normal)
MugenDC5R
11-10-2007 13:33
Re: Wallpaper versions of the pictures   (Score: 1, Normal)
330R
11-09-2007 03:53
anothor type-r on the line?   (Score: 1, Normal)
IBriaIN
11-09-2007 12:50
Re: anothor type-r on the line?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-09-2007 13:19
Re: anothor type-r on the line?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CivicB18
11-08-2007 17:44
TypeR vs SI tuned   (Score: 1, Normal)
SirHill
11-08-2007 17:53
Re: TypeR vs SI tuned   (Score: 1, Normal)
CivicB18
11-08-2007 20:00
Re: TypeR vs SI tuned   (Score: 1, Normal)
SolVTEC
11-08-2007 15:01
Is this what we want from honda?   (Score: 1, Normal)
mssm
11-08-2007 16:52
Re: Is this what we want from honda?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CarPhreakD
11-08-2007 00:00
Amesome!!! Nice job keeping still   (Score: 1, Normal)
Powered by Honda
11-08-2007 15:17
We are the Waiting   (Score: 1, Normal)
Powered by Honda
11-08-2007 11:54
Collective Group Letter   (Score: 1, Normal)
s2ktaxi
11-08-2007 13:34
Re: Collective Group Letter   (Score: 1, Normal)
shingles
11-08-2007 12:18
Mugen versus type R   (Score: 1, Normal)
Chris David
11-08-2007 13:12
Re: Mugen versus type R   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
11-08-2007 10:40
No complaints here!   (Score: 1, Normal)
IMcG
11-08-2007 10:04
Alas, we may never get the car in current form.   (Score: 1, Normal)
RayChuang
11-08-2007 10:22
not so fast. let's clear some things up here   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
11-08-2007 05:32
WOW the navi looks like it has the whole track in 3D view   (Score: 1, Normal)
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