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Author Shawn Church
Categories Dyno Testing, Civic
Create Date August 23, 2011 15:36
Last Update August 23, 2011 16:07
2012 Si - On The Dyno

Today we got a chance to dyno our first 2012 Si. A coupe with Navi, the K24Z equipped Civic performed pretty much as expected. Below, we've posted dyno plots comparing this press fleet car with our original Project Si car as it was delivered back in late 2005.


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Note that the new Si produces slightly more torque below 3000 rpm. From 3000 to 6000 rpm there is a substantial increase in torque over the old K20, as you would expect with an additional 18% displacement. However, from 6000 rpm onward, where the K20 is in VTEC, the curves are virtually identical with the K20 actually producing slightly more power at peak.

VTEC on the new Si was at approximately 5000-5200 rpm. The new car also ran extremely rich above 6000 rpm. It was probably running in cat protection mode. The old Si's would do this as well, but only after extended running. Every single run from start to finish on the new Si saw it run rich at high rpms, probably a side effect of having to deal with the close coupled catalyst and the higher exhaust gas temps (EGTs)it will see so close to the exhaust ports.

Another interesting note was that the 2012 car showed extreme variability on the dyno. Some runs produced substantially more low end torque (10-12 lbs-ft), but would fall short on the high end. Some would produce less torque below VTEC, but then produce a few more hp on the high end. Datalogging showed the car running very conservative ignition timing (on the order of 12-14 degrees where we would normally run 20-24 deg on a K20). This data indicates, to me, that there is some potential for filling out the torque curve and improving consistency. With no other changes, provided one is willing to risk long term cat problems, tuning should allow this engine to match the K20 from 6000 to 7500 rpm or so, produce a little more torque below 3000 rpm than it already is (and do so more consistently) and improve midrange output a little bit more.

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08-25-2011 03:59
Dyno it with an ECU reset in between runs   (Score: 1, Normal)
mucter
08-25-2011 11:38
Re: Dyno it with an ECU reset in between runs   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
08-25-2011 13:15
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mucter
08-25-2011 16:09
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notyper
10-28-2016 19:48
Re: Dyno it with an ECU reset in between runs   (Score: 1, Normal)
team3d
08-25-2011 16:38
faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
08-25-2011 22:45
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
RocketRon
08-25-2011 22:49
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-26-2011 01:50
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TonyEX
08-27-2011 13:35
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A77
08-27-2011 14:28
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TonyEX
08-27-2011 21:20
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
08-27-2011 23:40
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Farage1
08-28-2011 03:21
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-30-2011 20:21
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sugaki
08-30-2011 23:39
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notyper
09-03-2011 00:06
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TonyEX
08-31-2011 01:06
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
09-01-2011 10:08
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jero
09-02-2011 01:42
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owequitit
09-30-2011 13:55
Re: faster around town?   (Score: 1, Normal)
6SPDTL
09-30-2011 13:48
Top speed   (Score: 1, Normal)
6SPDTL
09-30-2011 13:51
Re: Top speed   (Score: 1, Normal)
6SPDTL
09-07-2011 18:39
A question to Notyper.   (Score: 1, Normal)
CR-V9
09-04-2011 20:26
UNACCEPTABLE.   (Score: 1, Normal)
uhhhh
09-05-2011 18:33
Re: UNACCEPTABLE.   (Score: 1, Normal)
ASM FA5
08-28-2011 02:17
Shift Points: '06 Si vs. '12 Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
MojaveAccord
08-28-2011 02:44
Re: Shift Points: '06 Si vs. '12 Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
MojaveAccord
08-28-2011 03:32
Re: Shift Points: '06 Si vs. '12 Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-28-2011 18:06
Re: Shift Points: '06 Si vs. '12 Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
MojaveAccord
08-28-2011 20:41
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owequitit
08-29-2011 11:45
Re: Shift Points: '06 Si vs. '12 Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
MojaveAccord
08-24-2011 00:19
As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
montechester
08-24-2011 04:15
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-24-2011 13:16
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
08-24-2011 22:22
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
A77
08-24-2011 23:44
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
08-25-2011 22:27
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
RocketRon
08-26-2011 04:35
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-27-2011 16:14
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
RocketRon
08-27-2011 18:01
Re: As Expected   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-25-2011 21:51
TSX comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
cyisalwayshungry
08-26-2011 04:36
Re: TSX comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-27-2011 03:38
Re: TSX comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-25-2011 16:49
Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
08-25-2011 16:51
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
08-25-2011 17:48
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
NealX
08-25-2011 19:16
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
08-25-2011 22:49
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-25-2011 23:00
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
08-26-2011 01:36
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
08-26-2011 01:41
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
08-26-2011 03:47
Re: Shift point? No VTEC love?   (Score: 1, Normal)
owequitit
08-25-2011 10:14
RSX-S   (Score: 1, Normal)
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08-25-2011 11:40
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08-25-2011 19:42
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08-25-2011 22:23
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owequitit
08-25-2011 22:57
Re: RSX-S   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
08-23-2011 17:46
Good comparison and info   (Score: 1, Normal)
siegen
08-24-2011 07:07
Re: Good comparison and info   (Score: 1, Normal)
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