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Author Shawn Church
Categories RSX, RSX Engine/Power
Create Date October 14, 2002 11:59
Last Update July 14, 2003 15:21
RSX ECU Test
Hondata and TOV go a long ways back. Doug MacMillan, one of the founders of Hondata, was featured on the cover page of TOV many years ago when his B16A powered CRX set an FIA landspeed record in New Zealand. Little did we know then, but Doug and his partner Derek Stevens would soon be moving to the U.S. to launch Hondata, in the process rewriting the book on how Honda cars are tuned.

The original and subsequent Hondata systems involve the ability to add multiple capabilities to the original Honda ECU. These include datalogging, boost control, launch controls and, most importantly, full fuel and timing control. These changes are implemented with some add on hardware, an emulator and a rom burner (so the owner can reprogram the ECU himself). When Hondata began to look at the RSX ECU, they realized that things would be a bit different because the ECU is reprogrammable from the factory! That's right, the RSX, Civic, CRV and probably the new Accord all use a flash based ECU which allows dealers to reflash the ECU with new maps should Honda deem it necessary. This meant that Hondata needed to take a different approach. After much work, they've developed several new engine control maps for the RSX-S. However, the ECU is not user reprogrammable, so you need to take your ECU to a Hondata reseller to have the new program uploaded.

Before we go any further, I must provide a disclaimer. Hondata spent many hours on my Dynapack dyno developing the ECU maps for the RSX. I watched in awe as power figures continued to go up and up. But since I was involved in the development process (even though I didn't have anything to do with the ECU), fair reporting dictates that I make that clear to you, the reader.

Now, for the juicy stuff. I've now tested several cars with the Hondata ECU on the dyno, and the performance gains are simply incredible. Below you can see the Hondata provided graph and I can tell you that the gains are representative of all the cars I tested. The car in the graph was completely stock with the exception of the Hondata ECU and a Hondata intake gasket (the gasket was in place for both the baselines and the ECU test).

Even better, in my opinion, are the results on modified cars. On my Dynapack, a stock RSX-S produces approximately 170-171 axle hp (vs. 160 or so on a Dynojet). With a simple cold air intake, those numbers jump into the mid-high 180's (188 in the case of the test car I worked with). Based on past history with Honda engines, you wouldn't expect to be able to get much more without internal changes, and certainly not with ECU maps. But you'd be very, very wrong. The owner of the 188 hp car purchased one of the first Hondata ECUs and came back to my dyno. The results? 202 axle hp and a torque curve that made over 90% of peak torque from 2000 to 7000 rpm. Just for reference, a stock S2000 produces 210-214 hp on my dyno, so that would mean that the RSX-S, with just a CAI and Hondata ECU, is producing just 10 hp less than the 240 hp S2000! That is very, very impressive.

I also was given a chance to perform some instrumented testing on the stock RSX featured in the published graph from Hondata. I spent about 45 minutes driving the car with both the stock and Hondata ECU programs and doing some simple acceleration tests with TOV's Vericom VC2000 acceleration performance computer. The first thing one notices when switching from the stock maps to the Hondata maps is the low end performance. Off the line and at very low rpms, the engine pulls with much more authority. On the freeway, 6th gear would pull comfortably from as low as 2000 rpm, and with authority from 2500-3000 rpm or so. The second thing you notice is the improved high end power. With the 8600+ rpm rev limiter (there are a couple of options available, but we shifted at 8600 rpm), each gear pulls much longer and shifting puts you in a meatier part of the power band than with the stock limit. All told, the engine feels a lot more impressive, with a more linear torque curve, more low end, more top end, etc. The previous 5k-6k torque dip is virtually gone (and is completely gone when you add an intake) and the car is just more fun to drive. And the objective results reflect this as the table below will show.

Stock Mean

Stock Std Dev

Hondata Mean

Hondata Std Dev

30-50 2nd gear

3.07

0.04

3.02

0.03

40-60 3rd gear

4.44

0.10

4.26

0.06

30-50 5th gear

7.93

0.33

7.27

0.11

0-60

7.71

0.02

7.19

0.14

Note, in particular the dramatic improvements in 5th gear acceleration. The engine pulls much, much better at low rpm. All other tests reflect statistically significant gains, although the 30-50 improvements are somewhat smaller than expected (about 1.5%), perhaps in part due to the relatively short time interval for the test not allowing the real differences to show through. In comparison, the 5th gear test shows improvements of nearly 9%, while the 3rd gear test shows improvements of nearly 5%, which are well in line with the published dyno results. The one test that does need some explanation is the 0-60 test. Yes, we are well aware that a stock RSX will do 0-60 much faster than 7.7 seconds (we did that in a stock Civic Si earlier this year). However, we didn't have a chance to do our normal testing regimen with this car. We had to do a very brief informal testing session because we couldn't go to our normal testing location. There wasn't time to figure out launch rpms and techniques for getting off the line in optimal form. Furthermore, the suspension on the test car was lowered and straight line traction was difficult to achieve (too much camber/toe?). In light of this, we decided to bring rpms to 3000 rpm and slip into full engagement as quickly as possible. This resulted in significant wheelspin in both configurations. We shifted the stock ECU at 8100 rpm on the tach and the Hondata ECU at 8700 rpm indicated. You'll note that the stock car results were very consistent, indicating that our technique, if not optimal, was at least repeatable. With the Hondata ECU, we got noticeably more wheelspin using the same technique, and therefore had to modulate the throttle more. This resulted in a larger variation (we got quicker each run as we learned), but the average was still significantly faster with the Hondata. Note, the fastest run stock was 7.69 seconds and the fastest with the Hondata was 7.07 seconds. Also, our 60 ft times recorded by the Vericom were also very consistent across both tests (right in the 2.55-2.60 range). Overall, the objective test results support the dyno numbers. The Hondata ECU works, and it works well. Acceleration is improved everywhere, and we feel that our 0.5 second improvement in 0-60 will probably remain even if you improve your launches vs. ours. While we didn't have time to run a 1/4 mile simulation, even on a stock car the improved power and higher rev limiter should provide improvements of at least a few tenths of a second. Its also a bit of a bargain. At $595, it provides gains far in excess of what your typical exhaust or header (costing similar amounts) will provide. It also provides flexibility for future changes, with Hondata offering to reflash the ECU for a small additional charge. Hondata currently has four (4) programs available for the RSX depending on modifications and user needs. Hondata can be reached at http://www.hondata.com

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10-17-2002 16:09
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quadlamp
10-17-2002 19:00
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10-24-2002 09:02
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10-24-2002 16:39
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12-19-2002 15:43
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sikrsx
12-16-2002 07:50
quick question   (Score: 1, Normal)
JDM y0
12-19-2002 15:40
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sikrsx
11-12-2002 14:03
What about reliability?   (Score: 1, Normal)
krekquel
12-11-2002 00:50
Re: What about reliability?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Hondata
10-14-2002 20:08
Emissions?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-15-2002 00:03
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10-24-2002 00:16
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10-24-2002 01:25
Re: Emissions?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
10-24-2002 09:55
Re: Emissions?   (Score: 1, Normal)
RyanDL
10-29-2002 08:36
I get heinous mileage, too.   (Score: 1, Normal)
doctorcliff
10-14-2002 15:03
Immobilizer   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
10-14-2002 16:04
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10-14-2002 16:28
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10-14-2002 16:51
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10-14-2002 18:13
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10-14-2002 18:38
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10-14-2002 19:06
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10-18-2002 12:00
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10-18-2002 14:42
Re: Immobilizer   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
10-20-2002 12:54
Re: Immobilizer   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
10-15-2002 09:10
What about warranty?   (Score: 1, Normal)
flash27
10-18-2002 11:56
Re: What about warranty?   (Score: 1, Normal)
RyanDL
10-19-2002 21:16
Re: I thought the valve springs were the same...   (Score: 1, Normal)
flash27
10-20-2002 02:05
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10-14-2002 20:36
hey shaun...   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-15-2002 00:47
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10-15-2002 17:21
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HappaSaiyan
10-15-2002 23:37
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Tuan
10-16-2002 00:24
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HappaSaiyan
10-18-2002 15:01
I'd choose the CL-S   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-18-2002 14:44
ATTS support?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-14-2002 19:43
Hondata on H22?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-14-2002 20:08
Re: Hondata on H22?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
10-15-2002 10:19
more expensive . . . .   (Score: 1, Normal)
Daemione
10-16-2002 21:31
Re: more expensive . . . .   (Score: 1, Normal)
ludikris
10-17-2002 19:31
No doubt. . . .   (Score: 1, Normal)
Daemione
10-18-2002 00:14
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SoR
10-17-2002 20:51
Cool Launch Control and Full Throttle Shifts!   (Score: 1, Normal)
ldvknight
10-17-2002 22:06
Re: Cool Launch Control and Full Throttle Shifts!   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
10-17-2002 17:52
Brings this question to mind   (Score: 1, Normal)
brunt954
10-17-2002 19:04
Re: Brings this question to mind   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
10-14-2002 18:02
Type-R Power   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-14-2002 18:41
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10-15-2002 15:11
Speaking of the Type-R   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-16-2002 00:15
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10-17-2002 11:23
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10-14-2002 21:04
Terrific! Now, which LSD to get the power down?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-16-2002 00:44
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10-15-2002 16:01
Boost type option(s) for iVtec ECU in works? N/M   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-14-2002 16:44
Civic SI?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-15-2002 10:08
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10-14-2002 23:05
Has anyone tried different cams in the RSX-S?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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10-15-2002 00:52
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10-15-2002 00:38
K24 CR-V needed for testing   (Score: 1, Normal)
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