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dontcare
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CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-06-2008 19:40
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I guess it makes very little, if any, financial sense to option this car as a non-hybrid. Making the product dedicated to one power plant reduces cost and keeps with crucial design schematics. This is to say nothing of the marketing issues at play. But if I were dreaming, and Honda is supposed to be the place where dreams get their power, then as a consumer I'd be very interested in giving the insight a normally aspirated engine as an option. The product would offer more power and performance than its close hybrid cousin, but more cargo room than the civic sedan. I guess I can't hide my resistance hybrid technology.
Insightman
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Re: CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-07-2008 12:43
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I'm sure you can understand that Honda needs a dedicated hybrid to compete for Prius customers. Offering it without the hybrid technology would defeat that purpose. The Honda Fit is very close in size: about 5 inches shorter, 4 inches taller, and 1 inch narrower than the new Insight. Wouldn't that work for you?

dadliboi
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Re: CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-07-2008 12:49
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Maybe the CR-Z will be more to your liking. It will supposedly be a more performance oriented hybrid. Personally, I'm watching the development of the CR-Z closely.
Insightman
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Re: CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-07-2008 13:25
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Because the CR-Z concept car came out so far ahead of the production version, I expect it will change a lot more than the Insight. Does your close watching lead you to expect that the CR-Z will have small rear seats or will it be the reincarnation of the wonderful 2-seat CRX (of which I owned two before my two Insights)?
dadliboi
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Re: CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-07-2008 14:38
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Insightman wrote:
Because the CR-Z concept car came out so far ahead of the production version, I expect it will change a lot more than the Insight. Does your close watching lead you to expect that the CR-Z will have small rear seats or will it be the reincarnation of the wonderful 2-seat CRX (of which I owned two before my two Insights)?

Well I have no idea what to expect really, Insightman. I'm just closely following developmental news on the car because I might very well be interested in it. Personally, I wouldn't be too upset if it didn't have a rear seat. The smaller and lighter it is, the better.:)

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Re: CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-08-2008 00:28
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I'll bet three weeks after the Insight hits the street, we'll see the first K20 transplant.

We already know it shares the same 1.3L engine from the Civic hybrid, so we could probably make a guess about the engine mounts. Once all the hybrid stuff is removed, there should be more than enough room for a larger engine. You'll have a lighter chassis than the Civic Sedan with better aerodynamics. All you'll need is to improve the suspension and brakes.

To keep costs down Honda will borrow heavily from the Fit and Civic lines, so the Aftermarket will not lag.

Insightman
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Re: CIVIC 2.0 [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-08-2008 08:11
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Smoke_Jaguar4 wrote:
I'll bet three weeks after the Insight hits the street, we'll see the first K20 transplant.

We already know it shares the same 1.3L engine from the Civic hybrid, so we could probably make a guess about the engine mounts. Once all the hybrid stuff is removed, there should be more than enough room for a larger engine. You'll have a lighter chassis than the Civic Sedan with better aerodynamics. All you'll need is to improve the suspension and brakes.

To keep costs down Honda will borrow heavily from the Fit and Civic lines, so the Aftermarket will not lag.


Actually, Honda's IMA electric motors are pretty skinny and the IMA system in the new Insight is supposed to be more minimal than that in the Civic hybrid so don't expect much space to be gained by removing it--also, without the IMA system you'll need to fit an alternator under the hood to charge the 12-volt battery. And if Takeo Fukui's assertion is true that the Insight will only "mirror" the fuel economy of the less aerodynamic Civic hybrid, that must mean the Insight is heavier than the Civic. Say it ain't so, Takeo!



 
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