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Dren
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Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 15:02
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0516/p13s01-stgn.html

maybe we'll see this one day?

VTEC_Inside
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 15:13
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Dren wrote:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0516/p13s01-stgn.html

maybe we'll see this one day?




Lol Dr. Fish

floundericiousMI
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 15:13
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possibly...

There's no limit to the creativity of F1 designers...but there's the regulatory question...

This would violate the technical regulations for F1 main wings. You might be able to use these for bargeboards and winglets...except that those are banned from 09 and on.

One area this might find some use would be on diffusers and floors..again, it's highly dependent on finding the space to get sufficient "bumpiness" to get the effect without violating the regs!

Very exciting stuff, though...

bboule
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 17:05
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Sounds like it's mostly used for being able to increase the angle of attack on a wing to a greater degree before the airflow stalls.

If F1 wings don't currently use large angles of attack then they won't necessarily benefit. They only need so much lift, and increasing the angle of attack is still going to increase the drag.

It might allow them to use a smaller, lighter wing, with a greater angle of attack, and get the same result at a lower weight though.. then they could lower the center of gravity of the car. But who knows.. they'd have to try them all in the wind tunnel to figure it out.



JMU R1
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 17:15
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Yeah I saw a story on this research a few years ago and wondered when we'd first see its application in motorsport. It may or may not show up in F1 but I'm sure it'll show up somewhere.
musicmanvin
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 17:19
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always look to nature for ideas.. nature's been perfecting its designs for millions of years, but as for whale fins i don't know, those bumps were designed for more lift less drag.. maybe if we turned them upside down we'd get more down force and less drag? =P

s2ktaxi
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2008 17:34
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I think this is more likely to be inspiration for F1

roninsi02
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-22-2008 00:06
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Sounds a bit like vortex gnererators used on the EVO.
floundericiousMI
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-22-2008 14:18
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musicmanvin wrote:
always look to nature for ideas.. nature's been perfecting its designs for millions of years, but as for whale fins i don't know, those bumps were designed for more lift less drag.. maybe if we turned them upside down we'd get more down force and less drag? =P



Is this an idea for a new extreme reality series? Whale racing? ;-)

musicmanvin
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-22-2008 20:22
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floundericiousMI wrote:
musicmanvin wrote:
always look to nature for ideas.. nature's been perfecting its designs for millions of years, but as for whale fins i don't know, those bumps were designed for more lift less drag.. maybe if we turned them upside down we'd get more down force and less drag? =P



Is this an idea for a new extreme reality series? Whale racing? ;-)



hey if those whales can go through a chicane at neck breaking speeds and create glass shattering noise.. i wouldn't mind watching that on a quiet tuseday night

Ra005e
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-23-2008 06:51
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Interesting stuff, I'm sure it could be of benefit somewhere in motorsport.

They've already designed swim suits (like those worn by olympic athletes) based on the texture of shark skin. I remember wondering how that would work on a hard surface.

And there's the golf-ball-style divots that are sometimes found on the bottoms of road cars to reduce drag.

I also remember seeing vortex-generators like those on Evos (at least they looked similar) on the rear wing of the BMW Saubers last year, Italian GP weekend.

musicmanvin
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Re: Whale fins on F1 cars?    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-23-2008 10:19
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Ra005e wrote:
Interesting stuff, I'm sure it could be of benefit somewhere in motorsport.

They've already designed swim suits (like those worn by olympic athletes) based on the texture of shark skin. I remember wondering how that would work on a hard surface.

And there's the golf-ball-style divots that are sometimes found on the bottoms of road cars to reduce drag.

I also remember seeing vortex-generators like those on Evos (at least they looked similar) on the rear wing of the BMW Saubers last year, Italian GP weekend.



actually speaking of shark skin of hard surface, i believe the U.S. government is already developing that for our ships. because notice this, sharks, whales, turtles, ships.. they all travel through the oceans, and deep oceans. yet the only one who doesn't get crap stuck to their skin such as, barnacles and parasites are the sharks. and that stuff produces a LOT of drag on the ships we have, plus it makes them have to use more fuel, and it cost a lot to clean it off..

but ive also seen, scissors designed from piranha teeth, allowing the use of softer metals

and needles designed from mosquito poky things lol

and research going on about the AirForce trying to learn more about bird wings to implement that into our planes.


 
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