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ipribadi
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Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-17-2008 11:05
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I didn't see this until I looked at the pics a second time.

Even my '03 AV6 has dual gas springs.
Did the previsous TSX have a hood prop rod too?

I suppose Acura's logic is that lux car owners rarely do DIY engine jobs and thus would not notice this lack of luxury.

ai yi yi ...

Ezmerelda
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-17-2008 22:35
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I noticed it too, don't some of the currents accords have the "struts"? I know the coupe does.
VTECaddict
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-18-2008 00:14
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Ezmerelda wrote:
I noticed it too, don't some of the currents accords have the "struts"? I know the coupe does.

V6 accord does. 4cyl uses rods. as do all other hondas AFAIK.

i think TL and RL are the only other "hondas" with struts.

FuKev
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-18-2008 09:21
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What's the big deal? If a prop rod is good enough for the $70 K Nissan GT-R, then it's good enough for the TSX.
ipribadi
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-18-2008 09:56
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Another possibility is due to the weight and length of the TSX hood, it probably doesn't require too much force to lift/open.

A longer hood like on the Accord maybe a bit hefty to lift manually and would need a strut to improve ergonomics.

I found a pic over at Edmunds showing the previous TSX also having a hood rod.

CybrRdr
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-18-2008 15:23
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My 1999 Accord EX-L V-6 uses gas struts.

I noticed that even the new 2009 Pilot needs a hood prop. (lame)

I don't think weight is an issue. It's a cost issue. Hood rod is cheaper then gas strut(s).

owequitit
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-19-2008 00:26
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ipribadi wrote:
I didn't see this until I looked at the pics a second time.

Even my '03 AV6 has dual gas springs.
Did the previsous TSX have a hood prop rod too?

I suppose Acura's logic is that lux car owners rarely do DIY engine jobs and thus would not notice this lack of luxury.

ai yi yi ...




Prop rods also don't ever go bad. At worst, you have to replace the little $2 clip that holds it to the frame.

Ra005e
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2008 04:25
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owequitit wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I didn't see this until I looked at the pics a second time.

Even my '03 AV6 has dual gas springs.
Did the previsous TSX have a hood prop rod too?

I suppose Acura's logic is that lux car owners rarely do DIY engine jobs and thus would not notice this lack of luxury.

ai yi yi ...




Prop rods also don't ever go bad. At worst, you have to replace the little $2 clip that holds it to the frame.


I feel the same way, especially when the rod is positioned so it doesn't torque the hood out of shape over time.
Having to use a vice grip on one of the struts is an inevitable PITA, at least when you tend to drive older cars.

Texas
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2008 15:54
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owequitit wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I didn't see this until I looked at the pics a second time.

Even my '03 AV6 has dual gas springs.
Did the previsous TSX have a hood prop rod too?

I suppose Acura's logic is that lux car owners rarely do DIY engine jobs and thus would not notice this lack of luxury.

ai yi yi ...




Prop rods also don't ever go bad. At worst, you have to replace the little $2 clip that holds it to the frame.



And we can get a hand crank to replace the starter as the hand crank will not go bad...I drive an 04 tsx, the prop rod is a pita and low end...

Wizard
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2008 18:22
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Texas wrote:
owequitit wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I didn't see this until I looked at the pics a second time.

Even my '03 AV6 has dual gas springs.
Did the previsous TSX have a hood prop rod too?

I suppose Acura's logic is that lux car owners rarely do DIY engine jobs and thus would not notice this lack of luxury.

ai yi yi ...




Prop rods also don't ever go bad. At worst, you have to replace the little $2 clip that holds it to the frame.



And we can get a hand crank to replace the starter as the hand crank will not go bad...I drive an 04 tsx, the prop rod is a pita and low end...


Only if you can't tell the difference between significance of starter (as opposed to hand cranking) over a mechanism that holds the hood in place.

notyper
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2008 21:27
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I don't see why saving money and complexity (even a little) is a big deal on an item you will rarely use. For most people, the only time they will pop the hood is if there is a breakdown (which is rare anyways with modern cars, let alone modern Hondas). If you read the manual and check your oil regularly, you might use that prop rod every couple of weeks or once a month.

Hell, my $40k Infiniti still uses a prop rod too. Hood struts would be _nice_, but not something worth bitching about.

SC

80honda
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2008 21:34
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who the freak cares. How many times will you even be under the hood, and the rod holds the hood perfectly. Those gas struts will fail after years of the heat from the engine and will need to be replaced.
ipribadi
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2008 14:26
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I guess it's not that having a prop rod is such a big deal, it's just that we're all confused about the logic that Honda is using: shocks for the '99 Accord V6, and rod for the '09 TSX.

I guessed that it maybe determined by ergonomics: long hood needs a shock, SUV's need a shock b/c their hood is higher up, etc. But maybe not.

Wizard
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2008 15:38
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ipribadi wrote:
I guess it's not that having a prop rod is such a big deal, it's just that we're all confused about the logic that Honda is using: shocks for the '99 Accord V6, and rod for the '09 TSX.

I guessed that it maybe determined by ergonomics: long hood needs a shock, SUV's need a shock b/c their hood is higher up, etc. But maybe not.


Was it the coupe or sedan? Sometimes Honda maintains that difference... don't ask me why.

JeffX
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2008 17:01
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Wizard wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I guess it's not that having a prop rod is such a big deal, it's just that we're all confused about the logic that Honda is using: shocks for the '99 Accord V6, and rod for the '09 TSX.

I guessed that it maybe determined by ergonomics: long hood needs a shock, SUV's need a shock b/c their hood is higher up, etc. But maybe not.


Was it the coupe or sedan? Sometimes Honda maintains that difference... don't ask me why.



for some reason, I believe Honda has always used the gas struts on all V6 versions of the Accord. I guess they see it as an additional point of distinction.

Honda-D
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-24-2008 17:33
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Jeff wrote:
Wizard wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I guess it's not that having a prop rod is such a big deal, it's just that we're all confused about the logic that Honda is using: shocks for the '99 Accord V6, and rod for the '09 TSX.

I guessed that it maybe determined by ergonomics: long hood needs a shock, SUV's need a shock b/c their hood is higher up, etc. But maybe not.


Was it the coupe or sedan? Sometimes Honda maintains that difference... don't ask me why.



for some reason, I believe Honda has always used the gas struts on all V6 versions of the Accord. I guess they see it as an additional point of distinction.



May be the V6 model bring in higher margin to justify struts

PGH
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-27-2008 18:14
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After looking at this car in person I think it would be a hit as a Honda. It belongs between the Civic and Accord
owequitit
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-28-2008 02:43
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Wizard wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I guess it's not that having a prop rod is such a big deal, it's just that we're all confused about the logic that Honda is using: shocks for the '99 Accord V6, and rod for the '09 TSX.

I guessed that it maybe determined by ergonomics: long hood needs a shock, SUV's need a shock b/c their hood is higher up, etc. But maybe not.


Was it the coupe or sedan? Sometimes Honda maintains that difference... don't ask me why.




I don't know about the 5th generation, but on the 6th and 7th, all V6's have struts.

owequitit
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Re: Still uses a hood prop rod !?!? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-28-2008 02:45
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Texas wrote:
owequitit wrote:
ipribadi wrote:
I didn't see this until I looked at the pics a second time.

Even my '03 AV6 has dual gas springs.
Did the previsous TSX have a hood prop rod too?

I suppose Acura's logic is that lux car owners rarely do DIY engine jobs and thus would not notice this lack of luxury.

ai yi yi ...




Prop rods also don't ever go bad. At worst, you have to replace the little $2 clip that holds it to the frame.



And we can get a hand crank to replace the starter as the hand crank will not go bad...I drive an 04 tsx, the prop rod is a pita and low end...



Yes, except that the most effort the prop rod requires is for you to hold the hood with 1 hand and move the rod with the other, while handcranks have been known to remove hands altogether. Big difference.

Besides, like it was already mentioned. Most Acura owners won't even know what the underside of their hood looks like.


 
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