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Sasker
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"Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-30-2008 21:31
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I remember a time when Honda and Acura enthusiasts used to boast about their marvelous engines, getting 100+ hp/litre and great handling, etc. Now it seems we are content with a "good enough" J-series SOHC engine and a "good-enough" FWD chassis design. I am seeing many people on this forum say to the effect of "Who would need or care for DOHC/ manual transmissions/RWD/a halo car/etc.? They don't sell in enough numbers."

Where is the soul of this company?

Honda/Acura just aren't the same. It seems like wishful thinking to expect true sporty cars from them. "Manual transmissions? High-tech engines? They don't sell enough, so can't do".

Sure they are "good enough" and reliable, but that may not be enough to make them "advance" into tier 1 territory, or to even allow them to claim to be into sporty cars.

sajicd
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-30-2008 22:42
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Hell i was just tonight thinking about the 1995 Integra GSR
1.4 L 180 HP, and the type R with 200HP

now we're getting a 306HP RL. WOW. out of 3.7L. Even Better!

ADVANCE.




Sasker wrote:
I remember a time when Honda and Acura enthusiasts used to boast about their marvelous engines, getting 100+ hp/litre and great handling, etc. Now it seems we are content with a "good enough" J-series SOHC engine and a "good-enough" FWD chassis design. I am seeing many people on this forum say to the effect of "Who would need or care for DOHC/ manual transmissions/RWD/a halo car/etc.? They don't sell in enough numbers."

Where is the soul of this company?

Honda/Acura just aren't the same. It seems like wishful thinking to expect true sporty cars from them. "Manual transmissions? High-tech engines? They don't sell enough, so can't do".

Sure they are "good enough" and reliable, but that may not be enough to make them "advance" into tier 1 territory, or to even allow them to claim to be into sporty cars.



Powered by Honda
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 01:00
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guys....I mean idiots....nobody wants a high strung 100000 rpm low torque luxury RL!


9000 rpm on an RL is fine with at least 290lbs feet of torque. Honda cant, I repeat can't do that type of MAGIC.

Theres no replacement for displacement and physics. Wake up and stop dreaming.



krazeericeboi54
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 01:16
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Powered by Honda wrote:
guys....I mean idiots....nobody wants a high strung 100000 rpm low torque luxury RL!




actually...i kinda do.


just playing....yea, i feel like acura has hit a dead end kinda unless they go RWD which i know is prob gonna be heck expensive to develop a new platform and all

MrRogers
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 05:18
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I have given up on Acura as becoming a strong player in the "luxury" market. This company seems more content in playing second fiddle, and competing against the likes of Buick, Volvo, Saab, and every other near-luxury brand out there. It seems that complacency is a core principal for Honda/Acura (and many of so-called Honda "enthusiasts"), in which good enough is good enough, where as every other competitor seems to step their game up with each new vehicle they put into production. I hope some big surprises are in store for the new RL, TL, and TSX that will make many of us go "wow", but in light of new competitors such as the CTS, C-Class, A4, A5, G35, G37, Jaguar XF, and even the Hyundai Genesis Sedan and Coupe, this may be a difficult task to accomplish.
gofast182
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 07:57
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MrRogers wrote:
I have given up on Acura as becoming a strong player in the "luxury" market. This company seems more content in playing second fiddle, and competing against the likes of Buick, Volvo, Saab, and every other near-luxury brand out there. It seems that complacency is a core principal for Honda/Acura (and many of so-called Honda "enthusiasts"), in which good enough is good enough, where as every other competitor seems to step their game up with each new vehicle they put into production. I hope some big surprises are in store for the new RL, TL, and TSX that will make many of us go "wow", but in light of new competitors such as the CTS, C-Class, A4, A5, G35, G37, Jaguar XF, and even the Hyundai Genesis Sedan and Coupe, this may be a difficult task to accomplish.

I'm kind of waffling on how I feel about Honda/Acura's direction, but one thing is for sure, these cars which are listed above all have serious game and substance which Acura needs to pay close attention to, much closer than they would've needed to just a couple years ago.

Sasker
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 09:18
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Powered by Honda wrote:
guys....I mean idiots....nobody wants a high strung 100000 rpm low torque luxury RL!


9000 rpm on an RL is fine with at least 290lbs feet of torque. Honda cant, I repeat can't do that type of MAGIC.

Theres no replacement for displacement and physics. Wake up and stop dreaming.





Hey stupid, Just shut your trap and don't throw out comments when you haven't understood other people's messages. BMW's M3 and Audi's RS4 have 4.0+ litre engines with 8000+ redlines. This is what Acura used to be all about.

XeonFire
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 09:27
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It is true that many fans of Honda are very disappointed with the direction the company is going especially here in US. And many have felt let down by its designing department (or should we blame the marketing department.)

The US market (or the North American's market) is a funny and peculiar market, Acura was created just for this market.

In other parts of the world, if you want a luxury car, you go for MB, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, and may be even Cadillac if it is available.

Why is it that Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti, brands exist only in the US market and not others, then again, many of these branded luxury cars exist as models under the original Toyota, Honda and Nissan brands. No other car company seems to see the need to do this kind of stupid move, and what does that tell us about the people who buy cars here?

What this is also telling me, is that the people in the marketing departments of these companies here, did a terrible job in the past, and may be now too. Therefore, they felt the need to create an artificial segment to justified selling cars at a higher price to boost profit, because they do not fell that they can rely on the image of the perfectly fine Toyota, Honda, and Nissan brand name.

One good example is that a lot of people like to refer to civic as the econ car, and refer to the latest incarnation of the JDM civic Type-R as a souped up civic econ car, even though in reality its quite an awesome car.

I am glad that Nissan decided to keep its latest wonder car, the GT-R, under the Nissan brand in the US market.

I just think some of the the people in the marketing department of these companies are just a bunch of overpaid idiots, who come up with so call new ideas just so that they can pretend that they are working, and being "creative", they don't really understand anything.

BalIermd
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 10:16
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krazeericeboi54 wrote:
Powered by Honda wrote:
guys....I mean idiots....nobody wants a high strung 100000 rpm low torque luxury RL!




actually...i kinda do.


just playing....yea, i feel like acura has hit a dead end kinda unless they go RWD which i know is prob gonna be heck expensive to develop a new platform and all



Well, I feel like transitioning to a RWD platform is a must, especially for the TL, not so much for the RL though (but can we get a V-8 already). If they want to be a tier - 1 brand, or hell, even keep up with the competition, they need to make these types of sacrifices.

2009 will be a critical year for Acura. It's no longer "good enough" to be just "good enough". The competition has put on their game face.

shingles
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 11:16
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Sasker wrote:
I remember a time when Honda and Acura enthusiasts used to boast about their marvelous engines, getting 100+ hp/litre and great handling, etc. Now it seems we are content with a "good enough" J-series SOHC engine and a "good-enough" FWD chassis design. I am seeing many people on this forum say to the effect of "Who would need or care for DOHC/ manual transmissions/RWD/a halo car/etc.? They don't sell in enough numbers."

Where is the soul of this company?

Honda/Acura just aren't the same. It seems like wishful thinking to expect true sporty cars from them. "Manual transmissions? High-tech engines? They don't sell enough, so can't do".

Sure they are "good enough" and reliable, but that may not be enough to make them "advance" into tier 1 territory, or to even allow them to claim to be into sporty cars.



That passion, it's in my driveway... It's called the Honda Civic Si Sedan.
Have you tried one lately?

I also own an S2000, my wife drives a 330i, I sold a modified A4 for the Si... I LOVE the Si... I drive it every day and everytime I drive it, it reminds me of when I bought my 91 CRX Si... the joy and pleasure of driving... only the civic is more comfortable, larger, has better stereo, but still just as fun. The soul is there, it's just not a V8 RWD 500hp exotic that everyone on this forum seems to want. That car they want IS NOT HONDA. The Fit, the Civic Si, THAT IS honda... it's just most people on this forum ignore that b/c they want that exotic.

Sasker
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 11:33
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I have driven the CSX-S, which is an Acurized version of the Si in Canada. It is good and that LSD makes it handle decently (I miss the hatchback design, though). It is an incremental improvment on the GS-R and the RSX-S.

But Acura should take care of the higher end if they want to compete with the likes of BMW, Audi, or Infinity. An Si or a CSX does not count.

They need more "Wow!" factor. If they want to sell more TSXs, then they must have better TLs, RLs, and NSXs. People drool for a high end car but end up buying the lower cars. This is the brand image at work. This is how MB and BMW are earning their money and getting away with low reliability and not offering much feature.


BalIermd
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Re: "Good enough" may not be good enough [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-31-2008 11:57
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shingles wrote:
Sasker wrote:
I remember a time when Honda and Acura enthusiasts used to boast about their marvelous engines, getting 100+ hp/litre and great handling, etc. Now it seems we are content with a "good enough" J-series SOHC engine and a "good-enough" FWD chassis design. I am seeing many people on this forum say to the effect of "Who would need or care for DOHC/ manual transmissions/RWD/a halo car/etc.? They don't sell in enough numbers."

Where is the soul of this company?

Honda/Acura just aren't the same. It seems like wishful thinking to expect true sporty cars from them. "Manual transmissions? High-tech engines? They don't sell enough, so can't do".

Sure they are "good enough" and reliable, but that may not be enough to make them "advance" into tier 1 territory, or to even allow them to claim to be into sporty cars.



That passion, it's in my driveway... It's called the Honda Civic Si Sedan.
Have you tried one lately?

I also own an S2000, my wife drives a 330i, I sold a modified A4 for the Si... I LOVE the Si... I drive it every day and everytime I drive it, it reminds me of when I bought my 91 CRX Si... the joy and pleasure of driving... only the civic is more comfortable, larger, has better stereo, but still just as fun. The soul is there, it's just not a V8 RWD 500hp exotic that everyone on this forum seems to want. That car they want IS NOT HONDA. The Fit, the Civic Si, THAT IS honda... it's just most people on this forum ignore that b/c they want that exotic.



The Civic Si may be a hoot of a car in terms of performance, and that's great for Honda. But we're talking about Acura here. A FWD car with 197-hp ain't gone cut it for Acura.


 
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