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CivicGSiR
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that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 11:48
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great, great looking car.

i have always wondered why we don't see more S2k's in professional motorsports here in the states. as good & balanced circuit car that it is, it seems it would be a natural candidate. you would think in Grand Am, the RX-8 vs. S2000 would be a good race.

notyper
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 11:56
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O.k., stop, drift is not professional motorsports. Its figure skating to road racing/rally racing/etc.'s ice hockey.

That said, the S2000 doesn't fit into most series' competitive picture. We tried to get our S2000 race car classified for GrandAM Cup ST (same class as RX8, RSX, etc.) and they refused to even consider it. Insiders from Honda contacted them and they still said "no f**ing way". Why? Because Honda doesn't put the money into the series that Ford, GM and Mazda do - at least that's my opinion. Our S2000 was already setting lap times 1 second better at the same track than the GrandAm ST polesitters, so I'm quite sure we could have taken down the underpowered (and rule assisted) RX8 quite easily. OTOH, in the GT class, there is no way in hell we could take down a 911, or the purpose built (500 units only) Ford Mustang FR500 race car - some production car.

SC

Mechanic
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 12:23
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notyper wrote:
O.k., stop, drift is not professional motorsports. Its figure skating . . . .SC


You could have stopped here . . .



kidoairaku
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 12:25
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I watched a show on drifting where more then a few teams tried to drift an S2000. it takes a lot of suspension and tuning work but they said at the end that the S2K was just not worth it since you could easily pick up an S13, S14 and match it with only half the money.
That being said, GO RTR go!!!!!!

Maybe it has to do with the way Honda designs cars? like how you never see Honda Motorcycles used by stunters because they're designed not to go into a 1 wheel positions or spin out. Good for racing, bad for stunts...
So maybe Honda cars are designed to keep all four tires controlled? good for lap times, bad for drifting?
(of coarse I've drifted many a Honda's at the track... not by choice though...)

revvit
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 14:27
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notyper wrote:
O.k., stop, drift is not professional motorsports. Its figure skating to road racing/rally racing/etc.'s ice hockey.



I'm not a fan of drift events either, but saying its not a sport is funny. It is a motorsport. Its like comparing golf to football, but people still consider golf a sport.... which in my opinion is funny.

Drifting popularity is growing quickly in the U.S. It would be interesting to see what happens.



Antigen
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 15:21
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The next Fast and the Furious movie is about drifting too. Its called Tokyo Drift.
Colin
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2006 21:39
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revvit wrote:
notyper wrote:
O.k., stop, drift is not professional motorsports. Its figure skating to road racing/rally racing/etc.'s ice hockey.



I'm not a fan of drift events either, but saying its not a sport is funny. It is a motorsport. Its like comparing golf to football, but people still consider golf a sport.... which in my opinion is funny.

Drifting popularity is growing quickly in the U.S. It would be interesting to see what happens.






Hmmm, I guess we could call drifting the Mini-Golf of motorsports.....

notyper
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 01:25
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I'm sorry, but any track activity where the winner is determined by a judge and not an objective measure is not a motorsport.

Drifting takes skill, it takes good car prep and it takes experience. I take nothing away from the competitors or the teams. But when beating the other guy depends upon someone's opinion, it ain't a motorsport.

SC

Kn1ves
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 01:27
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Mechanic wrote:
notyper wrote:
O.k., stop, drift is not professional motorsports. Its figure skating . . . .SC


You could have stopped here . . .




i think its because its not about lap times rather than driving style... btw figure skating is a sport

JMU R1
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 10:32
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notyper wrote:
I'm sorry, but any track activity where the winner is determined by a judge and not an objective measure is not a motorsport.

Drifting takes skill, it takes good car prep and it takes experience. I take nothing away from the competitors or the teams. But when beating the other guy depends upon someone's opinion, it ain't a motorsport.

SC


I disagree. Drifting is not racing since the winner is not determined by who crosses the line first. But it is a sport that uses motorized vehicles so I'd consider a motorsport. High diving, figure skating, and gymnastics are all olympic sports and they all rely on judging. Hell, even boxing relies on judging if there isn't a knockout or tko.

JMU R1
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 10:43
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kidoairaku wrote:
I watched a show on drifting where more then a few teams tried to drift an S2000. it takes a lot of suspension and tuning work but they said at the end that the S2K was just not worth it since you could easily pick up an S13, S14 and match it with only half the money.

Well a S13 or S14 starts life as a much cheaper car and is several years out of production so will cost much less than a S2000.

Maybe it has to do with the way Honda designs cars? like how you never see Honda Motorcycles used by stunters because they're designed not to go into a 1 wheel positions or spin out. Good for racing, bad for stunts...
So maybe Honda cars are designed to keep all four tires controlled? good for lap times, bad for drifting?
(of coarse I've drifted many a Honda's at the track... not by choice though...)

Well the S2000 is technicallly a front mid-engined car so its polar moment of inertia is shorter than something like a 240sx. This makes it harder to hold a large slip angle. Notice there are no mid-engined cars in any of the drift competitions.

As for motorcycle stunting that probably because Honda didn't start making a 1000 cc supersport until 2003 and because Hondas tend to hold their value better than most. You don't see many Ducatis stunting either (except for Christian Pfeiffer) but its not because they're bad for it.

notyper
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 12:06
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High diving, figure skating and gymnastics shouldn't be olympic sports. One only need look at the judging fiascos in figure skating to see why. There are no solid objective measures.

A sport requires a contest with a definitive victor - where the terms of victory are clear and attainable by only one of the contestants. Furthermore, said terms of victory should be objective, easily measured and visible to all involved. Yes, we have ties in some sports to avoid playing forever (but never in elimination games), I'll give you that. And in boxing, to spare lives, sometimes we have to go to the judges' cards instead of having guys beat themselves up for dozens of rounds (like the old days of the sport). But notice that a KO is never disputed or a source for contention - its the split decision that breeds new fights, because the issue was never really settled in the boxers' minds.

Letting things like figure skating and diving into the realm of sports is why we now have things like synchronized swimming and rhythmic dance there as well. Its a slippery slope.

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91Si
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 12:47
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Sport or not, drifting is really fun to watch. I understand the argument that ultimately the judging is about visual appeal rather than times or finishing order. But in terms of car set up and driver skill, drifting seems way more sophisticated to me than drag racing which is only really about getting as much power to the ground as possible and quick reaction times.

I'm glad drifting is so popular and glad that the S2000 is now catching on as a drifter (3 teams now I think: RT, AEM, RSR). I remember reading an article about the RSR car build up and how they had problems because the car was inherently so stable that it took a lot of work to get it to behave badly enough to be an interesting drifter. I give a lot of credit to anyone who will take that on, especially instead of using a Japan only Silvia that we don't even get over here.

That all said, I worry about the sport. Like someone said, the next Fast and Furious movie will be about drifting. I'm afraid that like drag racing it will be ruined by foolish people with no driving skills or commonsense. In a couple of years our local LA news "teams" will all be doing stories about 17 year olds sliding all their new M3s that daddy bought off cliffs. Like drag racing the cops will get involved and drifting will become a dirty word.

I remember the good old days of LA import street racing, it was pretty safe and lots of fun (Anna and Maria street anyone??). But soon people started crashing and bringing guns and the cops started really busting people instead of just clearing everyone out. By the time Fast and Furious came out with some ridiculous 5 car (or something) wide race across a parking lot, you just knew the end was near. The reason I say that is that we should enjoy drifting now, these are the good old days that we look back on later and remember.

Go RSR, Go RT, Go AEM

san-tokie
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 12:54
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Hey don't forget Falken, they rock. Although they lost some of my respect when they let Fast Furious use their RX-7 =(
san-tokie
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-12-2006 12:56
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Scrap that, 91Si meant s2k teams..

am I stupid or is there no edit button

johncui
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Re: that just kicks a$$!! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2006 14:26
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91Si wrote:
Sport or not, drifting is really fun to watch.


Last I saw US television coverage of drifting, I was completely turned off. The announcers suck and they keep brining up the same topics -- as if we don't know the judging rules of drifting (they just mentioned it 10 minutes ago). Also, they should really stop focusing on the cars fishtailing on the long straights -- IT'S REALLY BORING. If they're trying to show how timing the entry is a big factor after a long straight, they don't have to show all thirty seconds of it (which takes 5 seconds on a race). I would be satisfied with just seeing how they do at corner entry. Really, I have more fun watching japanese drifting videos and not understand the commentators than watch US coverage listening to long winded comments on how drifting started and how it's going to become the next big thing.

All drifting really is is a spectator sport (just like nascar). And if they really want me to start noticing it and spend my time and money on it, then they should try to make it more exciting from a tv viewer's point of view. Since aerodynamics (besides downforce) and passing are not really important in drifting. I say they put a camera mount that sticks out about 3 feet on the front of every car and really show some exciting shots of how the car moves sideways.


 
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