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Sean
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Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 01:43
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Well, no spoilers yet but I imagine there will be pretty soon. Plus I'm going crazy over here waiting for the race to start and thought starting the race thread might help.
Sean
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:06
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RAI out on the 1st lap.
Midi_Amp
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:13
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Might as well join in...

Button is holding strong in 2nd place. Rain is coming...

jfunk
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:14
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Another sluggish start for Button, fortunate to hold onto 2nd, Alonso launched by the hand of God as per usual!

Rubens better make some passes quick.

JR

VTEC_Inside
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:15
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Poor Kimi.

His picture is going to end up beside "bad luck" in the dictionary.

Midi_Amp
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:25
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The commentators on Star Sports mentioned about Ferrari flexible wings... Apparently... They suspect the flex wing on both the sidepods and on the front wing.
Sean
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:27
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Coultard, Klein, & Rosberg now out. I feel like I'm reading an obituary.
jfunk
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:27
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Anyone think Reubens is on a one stopper?

JR

Sean
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:37
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I don't think it'd be worth it with the tire rules this year. I'm guessing 2. Button now in - didn't take a lot of fuel (est to lap 42).
MacGyver
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Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 02:59
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Top 10 updates please...What lap is it now? I can't get the effin live timing to work again... >=P
TraXtaR614
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:03
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Bari's done... 10 sec penalty for speeding in pits.... shieett
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:09
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17 laps to go...
Button 2nd stop... Alonso leads, 4 laps to pit, Fisi 2nd.

Thanks for backmarkers Button may lose potential 2nd place.

SonyFever
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:15
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I am disappointed again. 3rd is the best we can get....
Midi_Amp
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:17
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Button is hunting Alonso for 2nd place... 4 seconds apart. If he is not careful, Honda might lose the one chance for podium finish.
Zpeed
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:25
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We lost 2nd because of this Torro Rosso idiot. We had 4.2 seconds on Alonso. Renault pitlane told Alonso he needs to get down to 3 seconds to make it (they had a 3 second shorter pitstop according to them).

Their pitstop was 2.5s faster, so we would have made it. If this Scott Speed guy would have moved over like he did for Alonso instead of looking at Sato's back it would have been fine! But he didn't, so it cost us, 3rd now.

HONDA FANATIC
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:27
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Torro Rosso needs canning. idiot loosers. cheaters.

:(

ban them for next race.

Honda must take stern action.

HONDA FANATIC
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:29
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plz Barichello get on the pace quickly.. we need u for WCC. Its not impossible this year. cmon!
SonyFever
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:40
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Oh so that's Speed I thought that's Liuzzi.

Anyway, in addition to this out-of-control backmarker problem, I think Honda's pit timing is still not good enough.

I am disappointed simply because we have a very competitive package, but we could not capture the opportunity. 2nd is so close, but so far. And don't forget the problem RB is facing.... in this race, the mistake by RB made him no different to Sato.

HONDA FANATIC
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 03:47
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I personally dun think the car can be made faster than this.

Honda has done everything right. its upto drivers and pitstops and strategy to win now. Renault pitstops are worth 5 seconds less than Hondas. complement that with slow in and out laps of Button and there u have it . 10 seconds gap at the end.

we r very near, Australia is a big chance for Button again with brand new V8 which must be having more power.

revvin
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 04:01
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VTEC_Inside wrote:
Poor Kimi.

His picture is going to end up beside "bad luck" in the dictionary.



what did raikkonen do to deserve this, and for so long?

throw button in there too, fourth time stuck behind montoya outta the pits in 2 races.

can never leave the pits in peace.



bullshit.

its only word that comes to mind after seeing ferraris front wing multiple times during the broadcast, blantantly designed to stretch out at high speed and reduce drag, quite obvious in the way schumi was catching others down the front straight, yet the car had no pace anywhere else. I call for a 3 race ban ;).




But chances are theyll be let off with a warning, told to change it. Nothing else.



lets hope barichello gets used to his car soon (did his personal best around 8 laps from the finish), and all these fine details honda lacks as a young team fall in to place soon, oh and little bit more speed please, especially on outlaps after pitting, that really hurt today.

94sir
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 04:13
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HONDA FANATIC wrote:
I personally dun think the car can be made faster than this.

Honda has done everything right. its upto drivers and pitstops and strategy to win now. Renault pitstops are worth 5 seconds less than Hondas. complement that with slow in and out laps of Button and there u have it . 10 seconds gap at the end.

we r very near, Australia is a big chance for Button again with brand new V8 which must be having more power.



Remember today was probably the best chance we will get for a while as Kimi wasn't there, both Ferraris started too far down, both Williams blew, Alonso had poor grid postion, Montoya was slow. It is a shame that we couldn't capitalise a bit more on all that today.

Honda Dream
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 04:22
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There is nothing wrong with Ferrari wings. They work just like anybody's else. You think Honda wings do not flex? And Renault's and McLaren's? The point is if they pass the mandatory tests. As of now they do so they are legal. And anybody else's wings do also.
It is a common belief that the test should be run in a different manner to avoid the flexing ability but until these test are re-thought the current ones decide about the parts legality.

CivicGSiR
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 04:39
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HONDA FANATIC wrote:
I personally dun think the car can be made faster than this.

Honda has done everything right. its upto drivers and pitstops and strategy to win now. Renault pitstops are worth 5 seconds less than Hondas. complement that with slow in and out laps of Button and there u have it . 10 seconds gap at the end.



exactly!!, and there you have it.

JB the rockstar can drive the car on a clear track pretty quickly, but other than that, nothing. he has no overtaking skill or the ability to pressure anybody. just as Kimi said, he is one of the easiest to overtake on track. he said that he "got the most out of the car, that he could get", well maybe we should have someone who can get more from it?

RB has been institutionalized into the Ferrari car, to where he cant drive anything else. and then now, he is just startng to experiment with left foot braking? why wasnt RB putting the majority of the testing mileage on the car? seems he could have been adjusting then rather than now. when asked about it, he blames the heat for his poor results & that it makes the car handle bad. great, another needy, perfect scenerio driver.

like him or not, Dave Richards got results. Nick Fry, not so much. he seems to be too much of a nice guy, and you know what they say about nice guys.

the car is good & reliable, but until one of these 3 can actually MAKE something happen, we aint gonna win. well, barring the perfect circumstances of course, to where a win is pretty much handed or gifted to us.


i know it is only the second race, but GD it!!, how long until its the 8th or 15th race?
Honda has done & is doing there part, it is up to the key personnel now.

sri
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 04:42
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we spent 52.3 secs in the pits compared to 54.6 to fisi. so our pit stops were ok, but our luck could be better in terms of being stuck in traffic. still, we need better out laps and/or 2/10ths a lap
Honda Dream
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 04:57
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A chance for what in our case? a win? No way. A runner up? Yes.
As far as FA is concerned he had no chance to win so he was not the issue here. He finished in front of us as second because of some issues on track mostly. He drove his best but could not beat Fisico. Williams was too slow to beat JB anyway and Ferrari's weren't faster either. So they wouldn't cost us anything.
I do not fear Ferraris or Kimis or any other names. There was nothing more to come today. Fisico was too fast to beat and win. If everything went right with traffic (Klien cost too much time) we could hope for 2nd in front of FA second Renault - that's at least JB's opinion that I share with him. He (FA) was more fortunate with events.
JB drove a superb race today. Good start, good pace, nothing more to come from the car. There was nothing else he could do. I do not think Raikkonnen would have a chance to overtake JB, however he could have ended up in front of JPM I guess. The Colombian was not slow however as you suggest. I believe he was on the limit too, even JB in a Honda could not pass him while in Bahrain he easliy had done in twice.
The bottom line is: a good result with a little bit more luck we could have ended as a runner up. We did everything right. Everybody...except Rubens...again. But that's a different story.

ciwai
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 05:39
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JB's good and has garnered the team many podiums including todays, but I think he's still a notch down from alonso and raikkonen and certainly schumacher when he was in his prime. Raikkonen would've pushed the car until either he caught the guy ahead or the car breaks. That is the mark of a champion. JBs fastest lap was on lap 35. Someone cut out to be the wdc would've been racking up his fastest laps all the way down towards the end.
stuman
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Re: Updates please...    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 06:27
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I think there are things honda can improve:
Launch control - we are way behind compare to the front runners. Fisi get away easily while button almost loose the P2 on the 1st turn to alonso
Power -I think we're down compared to cosworth but we got the reliability ( not sure about reuben's car)
Aero - granted it's better than last year. we are not effecient. need a bit of downforce to get the grip. This resulted in lower top speed in order to pass. So this is not entirely jenson's fault. if he can run much less down force but have a good grip like renault or maclaren, he can catch the renault much easier
Strategy - comes with experience. So Honda definitely can improve
Reuben - just not accustomed to the car yet. he tried left foot braking while in ferarri but abandon the technique after few months. so hopefully in the next few race he can improve his pace as he's more comfortable with the car

jfunk
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 07:20
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Honda Dream wrote:
There is nothing wrong with Ferrari wings. They work just like anybody's else. You think Honda wings do not flex? And Renault's and McLaren's? The point is if they pass the mandatory tests. As of now they do so they are legal. And anybody else's wings do also.
It is a common belief that the test should be run in a different manner to avoid the flexing ability but until these test are re-thought the current ones decide about the parts legality.



Bullshiet, so you are right and the multiple other F1 teams that protested the Ferrari wing(s) are wrong?!

And you don't think the FIA is partial towards Ferrari?

Perhaps you should change your screen name to "Ferrari Wet Dream".

JR



Sean
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 10:04
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Honda Dream wrote:
There is nothing wrong with Ferrari wings. They work just like anybody's else. You think Honda wings do not flex? And Renault's and McLaren's? The point is if they pass the mandatory tests. As of now they do so they are legal. And anybody else's wings do also.
It is a common belief that the test should be run in a different manner to avoid the flexing ability but until these test are re-thought the current ones decide about the parts legality.




See the other thread and reconsider.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=519874

Honda Dream
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Re: Malaysian Grand Prix - Spoilers    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-19-2006 10:28
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Ferrari wings went through the test. As of today's standard they are legal. All your protesting teams know that. If they (Ferrari) are smart enough to design flexible wings that pass the test and are cleared for the race it is only to their advantage. Others can do so too. And as a matter of fact these protesting teams asked FIA if they can design such wings for their cars. That must be decided as for the future races and not the past ones. This is how law and rules work.
If after today's race FIA changes the test standard and their wings are not legal from race 3 on, then they have a problem to design wings to the new standard like anybody else.
Am I right? I did not make these tests nor it is up to me to decide upon the legality of F1 cars. It is not me who says what is legal and what is not in F1. My simple opinion is based on the present facts. It is not the feelings of the protesting teams or any fans either. Once again, it is about facts that are decided by the rules whether anybody likes it or not. And they (the facts) are described above and below.
As of now Ferrari wings are considered legal by the race authorities. The cars were cleared in Bahrain and looks like they are as of now in Malaysia. Until they are said to be illegal they are ok. Is it so hard to understand? The same was with engines change rule. BAR-Honda did not do anything illegal in Australia in 2005 by failing to finish on purpose. It was legal by the standards as of then. There were so many whistling on BARH then but as a matter of fact BARH did not do anything illegal. It was after that event that FIA decided the teams must show they have to change the engine or face penalty and by doing so changed the standard. Did BARH get a penalty then? No, all they got was that next time it will be not allowed.
As far as the quantity is concerned: I don't care how many teams protest. I don't care how many people protest. If that is your proof - "quantity" of protesters or multiple supporters of protest that just summerizes your limited understanding of F1 regulations and law. Sorry, no offence but this is a simple fact. Show me one standard test Ferrari wings didn't pass. They passed all as far as I know. If they didn't then I am wrong. Their wings are illegal but still the quantity of protesting teams have nothing to do with proving illegality of Ferrari wings. That is because if quantity of a move' supporters is so important why not all of us go and enjoy eating s***. Millions of flies can't be that wrong. Sorry I won't follow them (the flies). Nothing to add and nothing to take away.
As far as my screen name is concerned your suggestions are simply out of place. You might not have noticed to have been rude. If you have and did it on purpose then it is below my dignity to continue any disccussion with you as you lack the good manners and this is not a cultural behaviour class.


 
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