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  TOV News > 2006 Civic Si Sedan/Coupe/Hatch Poll Results > > Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style

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Sasker
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Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-09-2005 15:57
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The combined number of votes for 3-door and 5-door hatchbacks is impressive and exceeds that of the coupe or sedan. Personally I would be interested in either of them.

I wish Honda would give its customers more choice.

heavyboots
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-09-2005 16:41
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Amen to that. I have an 03 RSXS and the back seat is permanently flat, with a painter's drop cloth over the carpet. 4-5 days a week I toss either a mtn or road bike in the back, which is about 3x easier than trying to wedge it into anything with a trunk...

I could care less how many doors as long as the hatch is there! :)

Wizard
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-09-2005 16:49
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Personally, I never understood why the styling of the 2002-2005 Civic Si was ever an issue. But, it didn't work here.

And then, the issue of having "proper" suspension system. Lack of DWB up front seems to be a non-issue with the new Civic now, it wasn't for 2001-2005 Civic. Now imagine what would happen if the Euro HB were brought over here with its semi-independent rear suspension.

JeffX
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-09-2005 17:03
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Wizard wrote:
Personally, I never understood why the styling of the 2002-2005 Civic Si was ever an issue. But, it didn't work here.

And then, the issue of having "proper" suspension system. Lack of DWB up front seems to be a non-issue with the new Civic now, it wasn't for 2001-2005 Civic. Now imagine what would happen if the Euro HB were brought over here with its semi-independent rear suspension.



I think the EP3 Si would have a been a much better success had it been equipped with the '06 Si's k20z3 drivetrain, 6MT, 17" wheels and upsized brakes, and of cousre, the LSD that the '06 Si has. In fact, there wouldn't be any discussion at all about how Honda screwed up the (previous) Si. The hatchback body style was probably 5th or lower on the list of reasons for its failure to sell here.

The latest suspension setup is good, but I'm not ready to say it will make me forget about wanting double wishbones.

TonyEX
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-10-2005 11:27
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I don't much care if my EP3 has double wishbones or struts. As it is, the suspension is fine. The car corners pretty flat.

And as one that for quite a while owned both an RSX-S and EP3 I think there's nothing wrong with the EP3 that a more powerful engine, more gears and grippier tires wouldn't cure.

If I were to re-spec my EP3 and ensure that it no mods were needed to the engine mounts, I'd go with the K20Z1 because of its lack of the K20A2's flat midrange spot, the more relaxed gearing of the 02-04 RSX-S and the wheels from same.

Tire wise, of course, I'd spec some Bridgstones, which IMHO offer a good balance of handling, wet weather performance, ride and cost.

The LSD from new Si would, of course, be really, REALLY great as well.

As it is, I'll miss the EP3 shifter. Once you've tried it you wonder why everybody else does it wrong.


Jeff wrote:

I think the EP3 Si would have a been a much better success had it been equipped with the '06 Si's k20z3 drivetrain, 6MT, 17" wheels and upsized brakes, and of cousre, the LSD that the '06 Si has. In fact, there wouldn't be any discussion at all about how Honda screwed up the (previous) Si. The hatchback body style was probably 5th or lower on the list of reasons for its failure to sell here.

The latest suspension setup is good, but I'm not ready to say it will make me forget about wanting double wishbones.


truamw315
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-10-2005 11:45
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Sasker wrote:
The combined number of votes for 3-door and 5-door hatchbacks is impressive and exceeds that of the coupe or sedan. Personally I would be interested in either of them.

I wish Honda would give its customers more choice.


thats kind of like saying, if you combined all the non-hatchback body styles....those numbers totally run over all of the hatchback styles...

tbongio
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-10-2005 16:31
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truamw315 wrote:
Sasker wrote:
The combined number of votes for 3-door and 5-door hatchbacks is impressive and exceeds that of the coupe or sedan. Personally I would be interested in either of them.

I wish Honda would give its customers more choice.


thats kind of like saying, if you combined all the non-hatchback body styles....those numbers totally run over all of the hatchback styles...



My thought exactly!

NealX
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-10-2005 21:56
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Kinda. Though I think the configuration of sedan vs. coupe is much more different than the shared utility of the hatchback - whether it be 3 door or 5 door.

Does that make sense? It's like those votes were more for that back door (or maybe even the cars' silhouette) than the number of side doors.

Either that or I just want ANY euro Civic hatch really, really bad! ;-)

Dead
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-11-2005 23:06
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Jeff wrote:
Wizard wrote:








I think the EP3 Si would have a been a much better success had it been equipped with the '06 Si's k20z3 drivetrain, 6MT, 17" wheels and upsized brakes, and of cousre, the LSD that the '06 Si has. In fact, there wouldn't be any discussion at all about how Honda screwed up the (previous) Si. The hatchback body style was probably 5th or lower on the list of reasons for its failure to sell here.

The latest suspension setup is good, but I'm not ready to say it will make me forget about wanting double wishbones.



sold! I wish I could keep my rallystyle shifter but i must sacrifice something small to get something bigger ;)

TonyEX
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-12-2005 15:06
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My first Honda was a 76 CVCC Wagon.

Incredibly useful. It was small on the outside but inside it could carry a ton.

Neal wrote:
Kinda. Though I think the configuration of sedan vs. coupe is much more different than the shared utility of the hatchback - whether it be 3 door or 5 door.

Does that make sense? It's like those votes were more for that back door (or maybe even the cars' silhouette) than the number of side doors.

Either that or I just want ANY euro Civic hatch really, really bad! ;-)


Dren
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-13-2005 08:04
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that's how my crx is, small but holds a lot of stuff.
Sasker
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-13-2005 15:35
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Once you have a hatchback car, you get used to the utility and convenience.
99SI
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-13-2005 16:52
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What honda would need to do is try and bring us a product like the mazda6 hatch that does not look that much different from the sedan, but adds ton of utility. The last version of the civic hatch looked way too much like a minivan/station wagon.


cosmic type r
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Re: Combined votes for the hatchback style [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-13-2005 20:51
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what would be brilliant would be another estate/wagon. (europe only i think) I bsolutely loved the space and practiclity of it. plus it went nothing like anyone expected of the lights.

 
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