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dennisschaeffer
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2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 08:39
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Had an engine failure, scored rear bearing, which Honda refuses to cover under warrenty because oil changes were done by Tire Kingdom.
Used Mobil1 every 3K - 4K and have documentation.
Engine failed @5400rpm and produced a knock.


kablamo
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Re: 2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 10:35
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any mods to the car?
tec-9-7
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Re: 2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 14:16
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dennisschaeffer wrote:
Had an engine failure, scored rear bearing, which Honda refuses to cover under warrenty because oil changes were done by Tire Kingdom.
Used Mobil1 every 3K - 4K and have documentation.
Engine failed @5400rpm and produced a knock.



Make them put that in writing, then contact your attorney - or you could try another dealer, since it's probably the dealer making the call, not Honda.

Paul

dennisschaeffer
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Re: 2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 20:10
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Engine is stock except for an AEM air filter.
Car was driven, but not raced.
No Leaks, No Smoke
Had a clutch go out at 20K.

Oil was checked when check engine light came on -OK
Oil was changed at Tire Kingdom, 5 Qts Mobile1. 15 miles later at Honda, they said it was a Qt low. NO leaks.
Honda maintains it failed because of "lack of lubrication".
Had the oil tested, found 161 ppm Boron.


Stephen
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Re: 2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 22:14
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*Honda* refuses to honor the warranty, or the Honda *dealer* refuses to honor it? BIG difference.

If its the dealer, Id raise hell, go all the way up to the service manager, etc (assuming you have not already done this). Otherwise, Id say a call to Honda Corporate is in order. There is no requirement that you have to have oil changed at the dealer in order for the warranty be valid.

kablamo
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Re: 2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 22:35
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very weird... very very weird. i've never even heard of something like this before - this soon.

go directly to Honda if the dealer won't help.

Bollocks
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Re: 2001 Prelude 2.2 Vtec engine failure    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2003 23:09
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Based upon your description, the vehicle appears to have suffered a lubrication-related failure. You can't blame the dealer for questioning the maintenance history.

You are not required to service at the dealer, but you are required to keep meticulous service records. The more reputable the service station, the more weight your records will carry. Proof of maintenance on repair orders that include the vehicle VIN will go a long way towards proving that you take care of your car. Besides, unless there is an obvious defect, or unless otherwise stated in the terms of your warranty, maintenance records are a prerequisite to any warranty repair that may have been prevented by maintenance.

As far as diagnosing the cause goes, did they measure the oil pressure? A significant lack of pressure (which might be a bit low right now because of the spun bearing) would be indicative of an oil pump failure. If pressure is good, and only one bearing is damaged, there is likely a defect in the engine.

If most or all bearings show significant wear due to lack of lubrication, yet oil pressure is currently OK, then something is fishy. Oil pumps either work or they don't work. Either your car has been run dry, or there has been an oil flow restriction (such as with a bad non-OEM oil filter), or debris got introduced to the crankcase. Needless to say, if any of these are the case, Honda likely bears no responsibility.

Sadly, this situation is not going to be easy for you. If the dealer is convinced that it is not a defect, they and Honda will stand their ground. Getting your lawyer involved guarantees that Honda will be involved, since the dealer is only acting on Honda's behalf.

Finally, I know hindsight is 20/20, but I cannot overstate the importance of servicing at the dealer. This would apply whether we're talking about cars, lawn equipment, or any other maintenance-intensive item. If the dealer did the oil changes themselves and something went wrong, they have nobody to blame but the manufacturer or themselves. As far as you are concerned, they are one and the same. Therefore, you would be driving a free courtesy car right now instead of worrying about whether or not they'll fix your car.



 
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