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gofast182
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Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2018 16:21
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"Red Bull has confirmed that Pierre Gasly will partner Max Verstappen in its lead Formula 1 team next season, in place of Renault-bound Daniel Ricciardo."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-confirms-gasly-2019/3161638/

The 2019 grid is taking shape rather quickly after Daniel Ricciardo's departure from Red Bull is setting of a chain reaction of driver moves. So where does this leave STR? For continuity I'd retain HAR provided his next few races are decent. For the open seat, there are several possibilities and not all of them are from the Red Bull stable as their young driver program is not what is used to be.

bigblue
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2018 16:29
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Me. I'll do it.
gofast182
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2018 16:46
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bigblue wrote:
Me. I'll do it.

Can I have some VIP tickets?


How about James Key gets freed up in exchange for Lando Norris on a 1yr deal with an option on the 2nd year?

Could we see Honda advance a Japanese driver and who would that be (think super license points)?

Will they look inside to Dan Ticktum?

bigblue
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2018 17:49
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gofast182 wrote:
bigblue wrote:
Me. I'll do it.

Can I have some VIP tickets?


Admittedly, I would be utterly hopeless !

Strange that there's no obvious candidate.

I'd like Hartley to stay just because he seems like a good guy. He really should concentrate on bringing the car home, and hopefully one or two decent results will happen in the second half of this season.

I'd be reluctant to let Key go early to McLaren for an unknown like Norris.

Vxtec
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-21-2018 00:35
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Great news! Congratulation Gasly!

As to the two STR seats for 2019 (and beyond):

I agree with the sentiments about Hartley, yes, to be retained for continuity and there seems to be signs that he is gradually improving his competiviness (so he deserves more time, at least for a while)... although, I suspect, Toro Rosso-Honda will keep pushing (correctly) for PU development rather than chasing good results and points for the rest of the season (if both are achieved, that's even better!).

As to the other seat, we will see what happens... although I speculate, there might be an interim solution, until they are able to have (with super licence points) either Dan Ticktum and/or a 'talented' Japanese driver.

As to letting go James Key for swapping for Lando Norris (for a year or even two)... I am yet to be convinced it would be a wise move. Maybe STR should consider re-arranging, to some extent, their technical and management team, so Key can be based, a lot more of the time, at the base in Britain (as he prefers) and continue to make great contributions to STR (and possibly even taking on the challenge of replacing Newey at Red Bull at some point in the future). After another season of motorsport, there could well be some new emerging and talented drivers that Red Bull and STR can consider for post2019/2020.


P.S. Yes, I am not going to deviate one iota regarding recent past events, particularly... Ricciardo, it will not be long before you will be envious of Gasly's seat in Red Bull!

Dren
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-21-2018 07:16
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I could see Hartley staying a year or being replaced in the last few races of the year like how they did it with him and Gasly last year.
tom3690
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-21-2018 07:28
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The one outcome of the move will be that we will at last find the true pace of the STR.
Gasly has been the benchmark for the team all year if he somehow matches MV ( which I doubt ). Then we will know that the STR was actually quite slow. If he is half a second off the pace next year it would suggest the STR was a better car than it has shown so far ?
Just a thought

Dren
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-21-2018 08:29
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The STR has been on both ends of the midfield this year on pace. It isn't a slow car. It seems they have issues hitting the sweet spot.
rnd
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-22-2018 22:45
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I don't get why they don't simply let one of the RBR drivers like Verstappen do some laps in the STR at one of the tests and give his valuable input on the engine for next year. Usually impossible due to a contract or sponser issue. but in this case it's all within Red Bull
gofast182
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-23-2018 07:02
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rnd wrote:
I don't get why they don't simply let one of the RBR drivers like Verstappen do some laps in the STR at one of the tests and give his valuable input on the engine for next year. Usually impossible due to a contract or sponser issue. but in this case it's all within Red Bull

There are a lot of reasons. Ultimately, the butt dyno has little relevance in F1 given the massive amount of data that is taken on every minute aspect of the car's performance at a resolution humans would struggle to feel.

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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-23-2018 10:13
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gofast182 wrote:
rnd wrote:
I don't get why they don't simply let one of the RBR drivers like Verstappen do some laps in the STR at one of the tests and give his valuable input on the engine for next year. Usually impossible due to a contract or sponser issue. but in this case it's all within Red Bull

There are a lot of reasons. Ultimately, the butt dyno has little relevance in F1 given the massive amount of data that is taken on every minute aspect of the car's performance at a resolution humans would struggle to feel.



I would be surprised if Red Bull does not have the capability of doing this through simulation already. Take the Red Bull simulator and load it with Honda engine data from Toro Rosso. I would think that would be the most beneficial.

We're talking F1 teams here. Both Honda and Chevy have the capability to do this with Indycar. They call it "driver in the Loop" simulations and it allows teams to simulate big changes to find out what the drivers would like before the engineers go and make it happen in real life.

gofast182
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-23-2018 14:54
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Bullwinkle wrote:
gofast182 wrote:
rnd wrote:
I don't get why they don't simply let one of the RBR drivers like Verstappen do some laps in the STR at one of the tests and give his valuable input on the engine for next year. Usually impossible due to a contract or sponser issue. but in this case it's all within Red Bull

There are a lot of reasons. Ultimately, the butt dyno has little relevance in F1 given the massive amount of data that is taken on every minute aspect of the car's performance at a resolution humans would struggle to feel.



I would be surprised if Red Bull does not have the capability of doing this through simulation already. Take the Red Bull simulator and load it with Honda engine data from Toro Rosso. I would think that would be the most beneficial.

We're talking F1 teams here. Both Honda and Chevy have the capability to do this with Indycar. They call it "driver in the Loop" simulations and it allows teams to simulate big changes to find out what the drivers would like before the engineers go and make it happen in real life.


Exactly. Before the deal was inked I'm sure Red Bull had current performance data, current .step files of the generic mechanicals, and insight to Honda's development roadmap. After the deal was inked they were no doubt supplied with full performance data in a format that could be plugged into whatever models they use, fully detailed .step files of the mechanicals along with thermal analyses, and fit check units to begin mocking up and testing sub-assemblies around the PU. Considering their resources and what's at stake, I think RBR has been working on the 2019 car since before we knew the deal was made.

gofast182
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-23-2018 16:05
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gofast182 wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
gofast182 wrote:
rnd wrote:
I don't get why they don't simply let one of the RBR drivers like Verstappen do some laps in the STR at one of the tests and give his valuable input on the engine for next year. Usually impossible due to a contract or sponser issue. but in this case it's all within Red Bull

There are a lot of reasons. Ultimately, the butt dyno has little relevance in F1 given the massive amount of data that is taken on every minute aspect of the car's performance at a resolution humans would struggle to feel.



I would be surprised if Red Bull does not have the capability of doing this through simulation already. Take the Red Bull simulator and load it with Honda engine data from Toro Rosso. I would think that would be the most beneficial.

We're talking F1 teams here. Both Honda and Chevy have the capability to do this with Indycar. They call it "driver in the Loop" simulations and it allows teams to simulate big changes to find out what the drivers would like before the engineers go and make it happen in real life.


Exactly. Before the deal was inked I'm sure Red Bull had current performance data, current .step files of the generic mechanicals, and insight to Honda's development roadmap. After the deal was inked they were no doubt supplied with full performance data in a format that could be plugged into whatever models they use, fully detailed .step files of the mechanicals along with thermal analyses, and fit check units to begin mocking up and testing sub-assemblies around the PU. Considering their resources and what's at stake, I think RBR has been working on the 2019 car since before we knew the deal was made.


...not to mention resident engineering staff.

Mikgtir
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Re: Red Bull Racing Confirms Gasly for 2019    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-23-2018 19:01
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tom3690 wrote:
The one outcome of the move will be that we will at last find the true pace of the STR.
Gasly has been the benchmark for the team all year if he somehow matches MV ( which I doubt ). Then we will know that the STR was actually quite slow. If he is half a second off the pace next year it would suggest the STR was a better car than it has shown so far ?
Just a thought


Depends also of the driving style. 2 years ago Raikonen was half a second off Vettel times. This year he is on par.

Sainz was matching Verstappen speed. As Sainz is matching Hulk. Gasly will not be allowed to go fast, they will play it like with Ricciardo, making him slower by killing his strategy (Red bull avoided at least 3 Ricciardo wins already, counting the first gp of Max, his first win at Redbull).

Vandoorne 'for example was faster than Max in previous categories with similar car /power series.

Alonso is makin' g him look slow.

Max would be beaten by Alonso??? Heineken won at least....

Fosters should sponsor Ricciardo s Renault as a revenge!! :)))



 
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