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Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 11:59
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alonso-will-not-race-in-formula-1-in-2019/3158671/?nrt=54

The McLaren driver announced his decision on Tuesday, mid-way through F1's summer break.

"After 17 wonderful years in this amazing sport, it's time for me to make a change and move on. I have enjoyed every single minute of those incredible seasons and I cannot thank enough the people who have contributed to make them all so special," Alonso said.





"There are still several grands prix to go this season, and I will take part in them with more commitment and passion than ever.

"Let's see what the future brings; new exciting challenges are around the corner. I'm having one of the happiest times ever in my life but I need to go on exploring new adventures."





Alonso has been debating his grand prix future amid frustration over an uncompetitive second spell with McLaren and the monopoly over results by the teams at the front.

The Spaniard was allowed to miss the 2017 Monaco Grand Prix to make his Indianapolis 500 debut, and he challenged for victory in the famous race before retiring.

McLaren boss Zak Brown said: "Fernando is not only an outstanding ambassador for McLaren but also for Formula 1.
"His 17 years in the sport, as arguably the pre-eminent driver of his generation and undoubtedly an F1 great, have added another layer to Formula 1's rich history.

"There is a time for everyone to make a change and Fernando has decided the end of this season to be his.

"We respect his decision, even if we believe he is in the finest form of his career."

Dren
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 12:13
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I hope he runs in a Chevy powered car next year.
gofast182
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 12:42
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Dren wrote:
I hope he runs in a Chevy powered car next year.

Part of me wants to see him stuck with a Honda and have to praise the company when he wins.

Dren
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 13:34
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gofast182 wrote:
Dren wrote:
I hope he runs in a Chevy powered car next year.

Part of me wants to see him stuck with a Honda and have to praise the company when he wins.



I'm still torn with that one. I'd rather see Honda win and he falter in a Chevy. But I'd still take it!

sadlerau
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 21:28
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Sad but predictable, as it must have been so painful the last 4 years, especially now realizing McLaren's poor performance isn't just down to a GP2 PU!

History will show how much of his misfortune is down to his own personality, or just plain bad luck/decision making. I pray Ricciardo isn't heading down the same path..........

As for Indycars and whether he rides with a Chevy or a Honda, looked at clinically, you can't blame him for his vitriol at Honda and their PU's total lack of reliability let alone performance for so many months. So if I were Honda, I would endeavour to ensure he does run with a Honda - if he races Indycar, as a sign of good faith and good PR going forward.

Vxtec
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 23:18
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For now...


"Yeah sure!"

"You're wrong, he will not return to F1."

...


I envisage many comments along these lines, after my two word statement... well then, I'll expand and clarify with a few more words for you all...

There is a likelihood, sometime in the future, he will return to F1, not necessarily as a driver, but as a contributing role within a team, even a new one!

Anyone fancy Alonso as part of an entirely, stand-alone, new Honda F1 team!?!

we will see what happens in the coming years of F1...

how about, one day, a hydrogen powered one (to distinguish itself from FE)! ;-)

HondaJet
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-15-2018 03:34
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gofast182 wrote:
Dren wrote:
I hope he runs in a Chevy powered car next year.

Part of me wants to see him stuck with a Honda and have to praise the company when he wins.


Honda fans think alike ;-)

zekohonda
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-15-2018 16:36
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ha, ha, karma!
Dren
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-16-2018 08:06
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Rumor is an Andretti - Mclaren - Harding - Chevy tie for him next year.
sadlerau
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-16-2018 17:49
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So does that mean Andretti is going Chevy next year?
sadlerau
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-16-2018 17:58
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I see Sainz has Alonso's seat at McLaren. I wonder if Vandoorne will get another year?
RolledaNsx
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-16-2018 18:12
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Alonso's bad talking of Honda has cost him....

1)RB seat in 2019

2)Penske

3) Andretti

With RB there was interest until the Owner and Honda said no.

Penske does too much business with Honda to hire Alonso.

Andretti/Honda/Alonso deal will not happen, Andretti will have to buy/partner with another Chevy team to hire Alonso. That team must have no shop sharing with Andretti/Honda.

fishchan
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-16-2018 21:03
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Alonso's bad talking of Honda has cost him....

1)RB seat in 2019

2)Penske

3) Andretti




Ouch.. too bad.. driving talent 10/10 talking talent 0/10

acuraguy
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-16-2018 23:26
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I for one am glad that Honda seems to have put their foot down and said no to Alonso.
Vxtec
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 00:39
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Alonso's bad talking of Honda has cost him....

1)RB seat in 2019

2)Penske

3) Andretti

With RB there was interest until the Owner and Honda said no.

Penske does too much business with Honda to hire Alonso.

Andretti/Honda/Alonso deal will not happen, Andretti will have to buy/partner with another Chevy team to hire Alonso. That team must have no shop sharing with Andretti/Honda.



LOL...

Ha! Ha! Ha! This is what happens Alonso when you badmouth Honda (rather than be more circumspect) and talk out of your b...side!

You could've driven with RB, driven brilliantly and even won at least one more Driver's Championship... however, through bad decisions/actions by you in your F1 career, unfortunately you could not plan/foresee the opportunities that might come along in the future... keeping your wits sharp and be a lot wiser about what you said and commented on! Tsk, tsk, tsk...

In a way, it's a shame, nevertheless... it's Karma! 'What goes around comes around.'


P.S. Are you paying any attention Ricciardo?!!! History might just repeat itself however, with one difference... Alonso 2 (and a chance at the Triple Crown), Ricciardo 0.

Mikgtir
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 04:58
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fishchan wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Alonso's bad talking of Honda has cost him....

1)RB seat in 2019

2)Penske

3) Andretti




Ouch.. too bad.. driving talent 10/10 talking talent 0/10


Then this article is fake news? :

https://www.autosport.com/indycar/news/138068/honda-would-welcome-alonso-in-indycar

gofast182
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 06:56
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ALO will test an Indycar on 9/5 at Barber Motorsports Park.

Rumors are that Andretti will be using a second affiliated team to get around their Honda contract and provide Chevrolet engines to the McLaren car(s).

In that case, I want ALO in Indycar because he'd be great for the series but I want to see him be beat by Honda.

shingles
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 09:04
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Mikgtir wrote:
fishchan wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Alonso's bad talking of Honda has cost him....

1)RB seat in 2019

2)Penske

3) Andretti




Ouch.. too bad.. driving talent 10/10 talking talent 0/10


Then this article is fake news? :

https://www.autosport.com/indycar/news/138068/honda-would-welcome-alonso-in-indycar



Maybe Honda is smarter than ALO and is simply saying what they need to in the press? And just because someone says that doesn't actually mean they believe it. It IS the diplomatic thing to say. It's just a shame ALO is not smart enough to have learned that in his career.



Dren
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 09:13
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From what I've read (rumors) it's more of an issue with Mclaren than it is with Alonso.
BG
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 09:57
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In Alonso's own montage about him leaving F1, he does not show Honda once, he has a picture of himself in all his past team wears, but not one of his 3 years with McHonda.

I did not see Honda F1 put a public comment out on their social media feeds either.

wooderson79
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 10:46
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Let's be realistic - if Alonso wasn't such a dickhead and showed a little respect for the sport and the people in the sport (and I don't just mean the last few years with Mclaren and Honda) he would have won more championships. Instead he relegated himself to making ridiculous statements about his greatness driving for second rate teams.
gofast182
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 12:54
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wooderson79 wrote:
Let's be realistic - if Alonso wasn't such a dickhead and showed a little respect for the sport and the people in the sport (and I don't just mean the last few years with Mclaren and Honda) he would have won more championships. Instead he relegated himself to making ridiculous statements about his greatness driving for second rate teams.

Yeah I agree. If we start to formulate what his F1 legacy will be we have an undeniably talented driver, WDC to be sure, surrounded by missed opportunities, many of his own doing. He has a reputation of being one of the best there ever was based on supposition when it comes right down to it.

RolledaNsx
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 13:16
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HPD states Alonso is welcome but we have no engines for him in 2019.

Japanese PR 100%(always say yes but yes means no behind close doors)
LOL ;)

Mikgtir
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 17:39
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RolledaNsx wrote:
HPD states Alonso is welcome but we have no engines for him in 2019.

Japanese PR 100%(always say yes but yes means no behind close doors)
LOL ;)


That makes sense :)


bigblue
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 19:01
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RolledaNsx wrote:
HPD states Alonso is welcome but we have no engines for him in 2019.

Japanese PR 100%(always say yes but yes means no behind close doors)
LOL ;)


Ha !

I must admit, I don't know which way Honda would go on this. In their own crazy, pure way, they might just say, we don't care what he said in the past, it's fine by us if he drives with a Honda engine, because he's a great driver. Or they may say, well you insulted us deeply, so no hard feelings ... but you're never getting any help from us (so, yes, hard feelings, but obliquely stated !). I guess it's the latter then.

RolledaNsx
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-17-2018 23:12
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bigblue wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
HPD states Alonso is welcome but we have no engines for him in 2019.

Japanese PR 100%(always say yes but yes means no behind close doors)
LOL ;)


Ha !

I must admit, I don't know which way Honda would go on this. In their own crazy, pure way, they might just say, we don't care what he said in the past, it's fine by us if he drives with a Honda engine, because he's a great driver. Or they may say, well you insulted us deeply, so no hard feelings ... but you're never getting any help from us (so, yes, hard feelings, but obliquely stated !). I guess it's the latter then.



Alonso and McLaren insulted HRD, Honda R&D Co. and the CEO(the three most important/powerful groups in Honda).

HPD(bottom group in Honda) is just run by clueless Americans(their Japanese bosses will not let it happen).

Restless
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2018 02:29
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While I share the sentiment, to claim that Alonso insulted Honda is harsh overstatement.

Noone but Honda, Honda CEO, Honda HRD is to blame for self-insulting.

They, themselves had chosen to partner with Mclaren, to comply with size-zero demands, were unable to negotiate (or force) good relationship with Mclaren.

RB said worse things for Renault engines... so whats the fuss.
One(Honda) can deny any dealings with Alonso or Mclaren.

But its Honda's fault for not delivering and overpromising.

Same sh** they do in Europe for 20 years...

Vxtec
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2018 03:14
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Restless wrote:
While I share the sentiment, to claim that Alonso insulted Honda is harsh overstatement.

Noone but Honda, Honda CEO, Honda HRD is to blame for self-insulting.

They, themselves had chosen to partner with Mclaren, to comply with size-zero demands, were unable to negotiate (or force) good relationship with Mclaren.

RB said worse things for Renault engines... so whats the fuss.
One(Honda) can deny any dealings with Alonso or Mclaren.

But its Honda's fault for not delivering and overpromising.

Same sh** they do in Europe for 20 years...



Your oversimplifying and being selective with your arguments - you have ignored the fact that McLaren has been caught out with their comments during the period with Honda, with 'how great their chassis was/is', with their clear lack of performance even this year with Renault engines (behind both Red Bull and the Renault teams in the Constructor's Championship).

BG
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2018 04:33
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Restless wrote:
While I share the sentiment, to claim that Alonso insulted Honda is harsh overstatement.

Noone but Honda, Honda CEO, Honda HRD is to blame for self-insulting.

They, themselves had chosen to partner with Mclaren, to comply with size-zero demands, were unable to negotiate (or force) good relationship with Mclaren.

RB said worse things for Renault engines... so whats the fuss.
One(Honda) can deny any dealings with Alonso or Mclaren.

But its Honda's fault for not delivering and overpromising.

Same sh** they do in Europe for 20 years...



Redbull were paying for sub par Renault engines for the past 4 years, Honda were paying Alonso and McLaren were getting free engines, yes, undelivering on promises, but Honda wanted a year more to R&D the project but Ron Dennis convinced them to dive straight in.

bigblue
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Re: Alonso Quits F1    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2018 06:17
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To my mind, it wasn't really fair criticism that annoyed, it was the fact that there was a campaign to get out of the contract by repeatedly shaming and insulting Honda, sometimes to the point of severely bad-mouthing Honda publically even before a race weekend had started. Honda admitted they had not delivered what was expected, and commented very little about the situation, but when they did, admitted they were not delivering what was desired. I think they would accept a fair level of criticism, but it got to ridiculous levels, with the aim of forcing a break in the contract, which is rather dishonourable. Even if you understand McLaren's motivation, this was not the way to go about things. Anyway, just my opinion of what happened.

 
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