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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-12-2018 12:25
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This 'passport' is supposed to appeal to a guy like me. No kids, good income, looking for something a bit more upscale with some decent room. Someone who could be perfectly ok with a CR-V but who wants something more upscale.

Most of the "midsize crossovers" in this class are more about style than practicality, especially compared to the bigger midsizers like the Pilot, Acadia, etc. The Murano is more adventurous than the Pathfinder, Edge more edgy than Explorer, etc.

So I hope its not just a chopped Pilot. I am sure that the Pilot is a great vehicle, but I do not care for its styling inside or out. Way too pedestrian looking, way too bland and way too plain interior design wise.

This vehicle should be a standout from other Hondas..something to pull in folks who don't want the dowdy Pilot or the competent but not overly upscale CR-V.

It would be nice if Honda could nail something "edgy" and stylish for once.

From the spy shots, I already expect to be disappointed. LOL

I hope I'm wrong!


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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-12-2018 12:46
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Fishbulb wrote:
I fail to see how one can reach a conclusion that a car can "look boring" when it's completely draped in camo and we haven't a clue about the drivetrain/transmission.

I'm personally very interested in this to replace my odyssey, which is too big for our needs now (as is the pilot), but the CRV being too small (and hate the CVT). Ideally, it would have the 3.5 and the new 10spd, but honda doesn't use this combo, so perhaps 2.0T and 10spd (accord output) would be the best option.. as long as it doesn't use the dreadful 9spd in the pilot, I'll be ok with it.

Anyway, I'll be following this closely. Does anyone know more about the launch date?



Actually, Honda uses this combo in the Odyssey Elite.

With that said, their tuning of the 9AT has come a long way but I'd still rather have the 10AT or even the old 6AT.


Jeff, I don't believe they've used this combination in a 4 WD configuration. Would that be a straightforward application, or does that introduce some added complications that require some additional engineering, which might delay its use in the Passport?




I don't see why it would be a problem. They have 2.0T 10AT with SH-AWD on RDX and the torque levels are roughly equivalent. With that said, at this point I would place slightly better odds on seeing a 2.0T in the Passport.

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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-12-2018 14:28
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This 'passport' is supposed to appeal to a guy like me. No kids, good income, looking for something a bit more upscale with some decent room. Someone who could be perfectly ok with a CR-V but who wants something more upscale.

Most of the "midsize crossovers" in this class are more about style than practicality, especially compared to the bigger midsizers like the Pilot, Acadia, etc. The Murano is more adventurous than the Pathfinder, Edge more edgy than Explorer, etc.

So I hope its not just a chopped Pilot. I am sure that the Pilot is a great vehicle, but I do not care for its styling inside or out. Way too pedestrian looking, way too bland and way too plain interior design wise.

This vehicle should be a standout from other Hondas..something to pull in folks who don't want the dowdy Pilot or the competent but not overly upscale CR-V.

It would be nice if Honda could nail something "edgy" and stylish for once.

From the spy shots, I already expect to be disappointed. LOL

I hope I'm wrong!





It sounds like the 2019 RDX would be a better fit for what you're seeking? If I'm reading you right, the CR-V has enough room for you but it's not upscale enough? The RDX is similar in size to the CR-V and much more upscale with considerably more performance and enthusiast appeal.

Rgist85
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-12-2018 17:38
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Rgist85 wrote:
This 'passport' is supposed to appeal to a guy like me. No kids, good income, looking for something a bit more upscale with some decent room. Someone who could be perfectly ok with a CR-V but who wants something more upscale.

Most of the "midsize crossovers" in this class are more about style than practicality, especially compared to the bigger midsizers like the Pilot, Acadia, etc. The Murano is more adventurous than the Pathfinder, Edge more edgy than Explorer, etc.

So I hope its not just a chopped Pilot. I am sure that the Pilot is a great vehicle, but I do not care for its styling inside or out. Way too pedestrian looking, way too bland and way too plain interior design wise.

This vehicle should be a standout from other Hondas..something to pull in folks who don't want the dowdy Pilot or the competent but not overly upscale CR-V.

It would be nice if Honda could nail something "edgy" and stylish for once.

From the spy shots, I already expect to be disappointed. LOL

I hope I'm wrong!





It sounds like the 2019 RDX would be a better fit for what you're seeking? If I'm reading you right, the CR-V has enough room for you but it's not upscale enough? The RDX is similar in size to the CR-V and much more upscale with considerably more performance and enthusiast appeal.



I've looked at the new RDX and honestly its not all that impressive to me style-wise...and with a budget right at 40K...its too expensive.

Its a step in the right direction for Acura though.

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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-12-2018 21:42
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Looks boring. Based on these pics, I would say the Blazer is going to decimate this thing. If the Blazer is out first, forget it.


Blazer is hideous.



Marketplace will ultimately determine that. If you don't think the Blazer looks good, you must also hate the RDX -- as their profiles look like they could be separated at birth. RDX seems to be well received so far.




Blazer is a hideous turd, the RDX is stunning.



Obvious sarcasm or just blatant trolling. That's cool. I still think the Blazer will outsell both the Passport and RDX.


I think they messed up using the Blazer name on that CUV though.

APTL
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 04:30
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Rgist85 wrote:
JeffX wrote:
Rgist85 wrote:
This 'passport' is supposed to appeal to a guy like me. No kids, good income, looking for something a bit more upscale with some decent room. Someone who could be perfectly ok with a CR-V but who wants something more upscale.

Most of the "midsize crossovers" in this class are more about style than practicality, especially compared to the bigger midsizers like the Pilot, Acadia, etc. The Murano is more adventurous than the Pathfinder, Edge more edgy than Explorer, etc.

So I hope its not just a chopped Pilot. I am sure that the Pilot is a great vehicle, but I do not care for its styling inside or out. Way too pedestrian looking, way too bland and way too plain interior design wise.

This vehicle should be a standout from other Hondas..something to pull in folks who don't want the dowdy Pilot or the competent but not overly upscale CR-V.

It would be nice if Honda could nail something "edgy" and stylish for once.

From the spy shots, I already expect to be disappointed. LOL

I hope I'm wrong!





It sounds like the 2019 RDX would be a better fit for what you're seeking? If I'm reading you right, the CR-V has enough room for you but it's not upscale enough? The RDX is similar in size to the CR-V and much more upscale with considerably more performance and enthusiast appeal.



I've looked at the new RDX and honestly its not all that impressive to me style-wise...and with a budget right at 40K...its too expensive.

Its a step in the right direction for Acura though.



I've sat in but haven't driven the new RDX so I don't know about its performance but I can't imagine it's "considerably more" than a CR-V, at least not for what they're charging. The CR-V drives and handles fine. I'm sure the RDX is better but not THAT much better. I definitely wouldn't say the RDX is "much more upscale". Frankly I don't think it's that luxurious at all, and I think that vertical center stack setup is outdated in an age when everyone else is going with a horizontal layout instead (and don't get me started on the giant mode knob and button shifter in the middle). Frankly I've seen "mainstream" SUVs that seem nicer (the Mazda just to name one).

Finally, slightly off-topic but I don't understand why everyone is wetting themselves with how well the new RDX is selling. If I'm seeing it right, July was only the second full month it's been on sale and it only sold about 250 units more than the old model did the previous July (9%). A brand new model should be selling better than that only 2 months in.

Just my 2 cents but the RDX just doesn't seem like a "luxury" vehicle to me.

None
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 09:43
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What do you consider "luxury"?
APTL
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 10:52
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What do you consider "luxury"?


Like I said I think the Mazda CX inside and out is as nice, if not nicer, than the RDX. Probably handles better too, if not quite as refined. The new Volvo XC40 is a car I look at and say now that's a nice car (all the new Volvos are beautiful and luxurious looking to me). When I look at an Audi or a BMW I say that's a nice car. I look at an Acura and say it's nice, but it's not luxurious. Sporty maybe. People always like to point out "but the Acura is thousands and thousands less" - well there's a reason for that, you're getting an Acura. It should cost less. Frankly the new Buicks look more luxurious.

For what Honda is charging for lease rates, you could get any number of nicer cars in my opinion. One guy on Facebook said his lease is $600/month. Sorry but to me that's insane for a really nice CR-V.

Rgist85
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 11:46
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APTL wrote:
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What do you consider "luxury"?


Like I said I think the Mazda CX inside and out is as nice, if not nicer, than the RDX. Probably handles better too, if not quite as refined. The new Volvo XC40 is a car I look at and say now that's a nice car (all the new Volvos are beautiful and luxurious looking to me). When I look at an Audi or a BMW I say that's a nice car. I look at an Acura and say it's nice, but it's not luxurious. Sporty maybe. People always like to point out "but the Acura is thousands and thousands less" - well there's a reason for that, you're getting an Acura. It should cost less. Frankly the new Buicks look more luxurious.

For what Honda is charging for lease rates, you could get any number of nicer cars in my opinion. One guy on Facebook said his lease is $600/month. Sorry but to me that's insane for a really nice CR-V.



Agreed 100 percent.

Fitdad
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 13:22
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APTL wrote:
None wrote:
What do you consider "luxury"?


Like I said I think the Mazda CX inside and out is as nice, if not nicer, than the RDX. Probably handles better too, if not quite as refined. The new Volvo XC40 is a car I look at and say now that's a nice car (all the new Volvos are beautiful and luxurious looking to me). When I look at an Audi or a BMW I say that's a nice car. I look at an Acura and say it's nice, but it's not luxurious. Sporty maybe. People always like to point out "but the Acura is thousands and thousands less" - well there's a reason for that, you're getting an Acura. It should cost less. Frankly the new Buicks look more luxurious.

For what Honda is charging for lease rates, you could get any number of nicer cars in my opinion. One guy on Facebook said his lease is $600/month. Sorry but to me that's insane for a really nice CR-V.



I have to say...the Buick comment I find frankly ridiculous. Here is what Car and Driver said about the $40K Buick Regal TourX Interior:

Close inspection reveals evidence of cost cutting, from hard plastics on the dashboard to cheap-looking carpet in the load area. Leather that could pass for vinyl covers the seats in between. The analog gauges and infotainment graphics are far from state of the art.


Again - what do you consider "luxury"? Having personally sat in a $39,000 Cascada convertible at an auto show...holy hell nothing about that interior or that car is "luxurious".

I'm also curious as to why you consider the RDX a "really nice CR-V".

Honda1
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 13:59
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Fitdad wrote:
APTL wrote:
None wrote:
What do you consider "luxury"?


Like I said I think the Mazda CX inside and out is as nice, if not nicer, than the RDX. Probably handles better too, if not quite as refined. The new Volvo XC40 is a car I look at and say now that's a nice car (all the new Volvos are beautiful and luxurious looking to me). When I look at an Audi or a BMW I say that's a nice car. I look at an Acura and say it's nice, but it's not luxurious. Sporty maybe. People always like to point out "but the Acura is thousands and thousands less" - well there's a reason for that, you're getting an Acura. It should cost less. Frankly the new Buicks look more luxurious.

For what Honda is charging for lease rates, you could get any number of nicer cars in my opinion. One guy on Facebook said his lease is $600/month. Sorry but to me that's insane for a really nice CR-V.



I have to say...the Buick comment I find frankly ridiculous. Here is what Car and Driver said about the $40K Buick Regal TourX Interior:

Close inspection reveals evidence of cost cutting, from hard plastics on the dashboard to cheap-looking carpet in the load area. Leather that could pass for vinyl covers the seats in between. The analog gauges and infotainment graphics are far from state of the art.


Again - what do you consider "luxury"? Having personally sat in a $39,000 Cascada convertible at an auto show...holy hell nothing about that interior or that car is "luxurious".

I'm also curious as to why you consider the RDX a "really nice CR-V".



I'm aware of one positive RDX review where the reviewer said that the CX-5 has a better paint quality.

None
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 14:05
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APTL wrote:
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What do you consider "luxury"?


Like I said I think the Mazda CX inside and out is as nice, if not nicer, than the RDX. Probably handles better too, if not quite as refined. The new Volvo XC40 is a car I look at and say now that's a nice car (all the new Volvos are beautiful and luxurious looking to me). When I look at an Audi or a BMW I say that's a nice car. I look at an Acura and say it's nice, but it's not luxurious. Sporty maybe. People always like to point out "but the Acura is thousands and thousands less" - well there's a reason for that, you're getting an Acura. It should cost less. Frankly the new Buicks look more luxurious.

For what Honda is charging for lease rates, you could get any number of nicer cars in my opinion. One guy on Facebook said his lease is $600/month. Sorry but to me that's insane for a really nice CR-V.




LOL

99SI
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-13-2018 16:28
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If he was stupid enough to sign a lease contract at $600 a month then let him have at it... You can finance 35k for 5 years at that payment.
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Chevy Prepping Mini-Blazer    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 09:01
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http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/08/next-chevy-trax-spied-testing-at-milford-proving-grounds-photo-gallery/

All the early indications are the styling of the new Blazer is a home run. Now, they are prepping the Trax to follow suit. Smart move.

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Re: Chevy Prepping Mini-Blazer    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 09:27
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vh2k wrote:
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/08/next-chevy-trax-spied-testing-at-milford-proving-grounds-photo-gallery/

All the early indications are the styling of the new Blazer is a home run. Now, they are prepping the Trax to follow suit. Smart move.


I does look like there's something modern hiding under there.

incubus
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 13:31
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APTL wrote:
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What do you consider "luxury"?


Like I said I think the Mazda CX inside and out is as nice, if not nicer, than the RDX. Probably handles better too, if not quite as refined. The new Volvo XC40 is a car I look at and say now that's a nice car (all the new Volvos are beautiful and luxurious looking to me). When I look at an Audi or a BMW I say that's a nice car. I look at an Acura and say it's nice, but it's not luxurious. Sporty maybe. People always like to point out "but the Acura is thousands and thousands less" - well there's a reason for that, you're getting an Acura. It should cost less. Frankly the new Buicks look more luxurious.

For what Honda is charging for lease rates, you could get any number of nicer cars in my opinion. One guy on Facebook said his lease is $600/month. Sorry but to me that's insane for a really nice CR-V.


Yeah, but none of that is the case. A CX-7 doesnít handle better than an RDX with SHAWD which at $600/mo is likely what you are talking about. Itís also a different chassis, it shares virtually nothing in common with a CR-V. A new Buick to you may look more luxurious, but it still uses the cheap GM abuts through out the interior that let you know when you get in it, this is still just a GM.
Also, an anecdote of one guy paying $600/mo isnít evidence, itís just an anecdote. That guy could have horrible credit or might not have put anything down. The majority of people arenít apending $600/mo. From every single review, weíve seen that the RDX is the nicest thing they have build quality wise (Sans NSX obvi.) so maybe try it out before panning it.

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Re: Chevy Prepping Mini-Blazer    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 18:14
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vh2k wrote:
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/08/next-chevy-trax-spied-testing-at-milford-proving-grounds-photo-gallery/

All the early indications are the styling of the new Blazer is a home run. Now, they are prepping the Trax to follow suit. Smart move.




You do know this is NOT a GM Fleet car sales forum. Don't you?

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Re: Chevy Prepping Mini-Blazer    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-14-2018 18:31
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Do we expect a hybrid mini-blazer?
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-29-2018 13:29
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Any news on this? I thought it was supposed to debut shortly, but I've seen no info since the initial spy pics.

Love to know what transmission/engine combo they go with - if its the ZF, I'll go buy a highlander before end of year and spare the waiting.

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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-29-2018 14:28
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Press days for the LA Auto Show are Nov 26-29, but I don't think LA is that big of a CUV/SUV market for a debut. Detroit auto show is mid January followed by the Chicago auto show in February and New York auto show in April. I'm guessing Ford will debut the new Explorer in Detroit which might eclipse a Passport debut. If it doesn't drop in LA, I would think Chicago would be the next logical choice. The 2016 Pilot debuted there.
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-29-2018 17:16
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Press days for the LA Auto Show are Nov 26-29, but I don't think LA is that big of a CUV/SUV market for a debut. Detroit auto show is mid January followed by the Chicago auto show in February and New York auto show in April. I'm guessing Ford will debut the new Explorer in Detroit which might eclipse a Passport debut. If it doesn't drop in LA, I would think Chicago would be the next logical choice. The 2016 Pilot debuted there.


LA does plenty of SUV/Crossover debuts. Last year the Wrangler, facelifted Sorento, BMW X7 concept, Lincoln Nautilus, US Debut of the Volvo Xc40, Hyundai Kona and Lexus RX-L, along with the Nissan Kicks's US debut.

The year before that (in 2016) the new Mazda CX-5 debuted, Jeep Compass and Ford Ecosport were at LA.

So, LA is crossover/SUV friendly...all the autoshows pretty much have to be today since the crossover is taking over.

Perhaps Honda will unveil it the night or two before the LA show then get it on the floor by the time the show opens...that's pretty much what they have done with the Civic and Civic SI at LA. I went to both shows in 2015 and 2016. I won't be attending this year (and didn't last year either) due to work.

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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-29-2018 20:46
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I'm really interested in this vehicle, but I can't find any news. Honda is Honda being this tight lipped on this new vehicle.
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Re: Passport spy pics    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-30-2018 21:50
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We go see it in a couple weeks, the press releases are usually at the exact same time.

 
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