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Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-22-2018 12:49
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Iíve been doing some thinking and came to a very sad realization. I donít see a lot of RLXís on the road. Mind you Iím from the Houston area, where there are over 7 million people. Surely Iím bound to see at least one or two a day with that many people driving. I see an RLX once every week or two weeks. My mom and aunt both owned a 1993 Legend, 1999 3.5RL and then a 2002 3.5RL. I still see tons of Legends, 1G RLís and 2G RLís, (2005-2008), even in their old age. But even when I was younger and 3.5RLís were still in production, it wasnít rare to see one in the neighborhood or around town like the RLX is. The last time I saw an RLX was last week on the other side of the freeway. It really sucks to see the RLX struggling so hard because I like it. I hope they knock the next RLX out the park. Just my rant for today!
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-22-2018 14:48
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Much like the entry level ILX, the RLX really doesn't stand out, and looks pretty awkward with the MMC snout that they stuck on the front.
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-22-2018 15:58
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The RLX designation doesn't help. I ought to know as much about Honda/Acura products as anybody and yet every time I read RLX, I have to stop and try to remember which of the Acura products it is and to distinguish it in my mind's eye from the RDX. Does the "L" in RLX indicate a superior, higher brand position than the the "D" in RDX and if so, how come the bottom end of the lineup is an I "L" X etc., etc? If you are not a fan of the brand, the names mean nothing to you or are they anything you'll lust after.

It is not surprising to me that the beginning of the downfall of Acura appears to line up with this change to this meaningless all letters description of their products. If it is such a good idea, why doesn't Honda do the same?

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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-22-2018 20:21
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The RLX designation doesn't help. I ought to know as much about Honda/Acura products as anybody and yet every time I read RLX, I have to stop and try to remember which of the Acura products it is and to distinguish it in my mind's eye from the RDX. Does the "L" in RLX indicate a superior, higher brand position than the the "D" in RDX and if so, how come the bottom end of the lineup is an I "L" X etc., etc? If you are not a fan of the brand, the names mean nothing to you or are they anything you'll lust after.

It is not surprising to me that the beginning of the downfall of Acura appears to line up with this change to this meaningless all letters description of their products. If it is such a good idea, why doesn't Honda do the same?


The Legend was a great name for a premium Acura. Going to letters was idiocy.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-23-2018 05:58
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HondaForever wrote:
The RLX designation doesn't help. I ought to know as much about Honda/Acura products as anybody and yet every time I read RLX, I have to stop and try to remember which of the Acura products it is and to distinguish it in my mind's eye from the RDX. Does the "L" in RLX indicate a superior, higher brand position than the the "D" in RDX and if so, how come the bottom end of the lineup is an I "L" X etc., etc? If you are not a fan of the brand, the names mean nothing to you or are they anything you'll lust after.

It is not surprising to me that the beginning of the downfall of Acura appears to line up with this change to this meaningless all letters description of their products. If it is such a good idea, why doesn't Honda do the same?



I've got used to the TLAs over the decades, but I can understand that with modern attention spans, most CBA. And why should they?

I am now in a similar position with M-B's recent TLAs; CBA.

Civicb18
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 05:49
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Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.

RP
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 07:44
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Good point! At least the 3.5RL sold in decent numbers for the time, they were selling around 1,000 or more units a month for a while. Even the 2G RL sold decently well when it was first introduced. But Acura could get away with that back then. They have to better on the next RLX.
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 08:13
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Iíve said this before but the logical path for me would be to move from my Ď93 Legend to the RL. That turned out to be Acuraís take on the Buick Park Avenue. Fast forward a few years when I was killing time while getting service, talking to a salesman about the TL or MDX: He kept trying to steer me over to the RL several times because I fit the demographic. I upped the tone of our ďchatĒ to tell him what I really thought of the RL.

Same old, same old today.

Mikeydred
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 18:37
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RP wrote:
Good point! At least the 3.5RL sold in decent numbers for the time, they were selling around 1,000 or more units a month for a while. Even the 2G RL sold decently well when it was first introduced. But Acura could get away with that back then. They have to better on the next RLX.

We all give Acura slack from time to time but the RLX is a Honda and Acura likely had no input in it. RLX was Ito's version of a flagship and like the RL before it was shoved down the American dealers throats and that's why it gets no love. The interior changes on the MMC RLX are actually nice, it's just missing a few more luxury features and controls, especially for rear seat entertainment and for the love of me, dont understand why they omitted genuine wood which RL offered. The RLX problem is the uninspiring exterior with the awkward proportions further exaggerated by the slab sided fender flares.I would love for the US team to get a shot at designing and engineering the next RLX or whatever they decide to call it (also should be Acura exclusive) and at that time should they fail then we can rag on Acura, but this one is not on them, but more so the powers to be and hopefully their old way of thinking.

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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 19:18
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HondaForever wrote:
The RLX designation doesn't help. I ought to know as much about Honda/Acura products as anybody and yet every time I read RLX, I have to stop and try to remember which of the Acura products it is and to distinguish it in my mind's eye from the RDX. Does the "L" in RLX indicate a superior, higher brand position than the the "D" in RDX and if so, how come the bottom end of the lineup is an I "L" X etc., etc? If you are not a fan of the brand, the names mean nothing to you or are they anything you'll lust after.

It is not surprising to me that the beginning of the downfall of Acura appears to line up with this change to this meaningless all letters description of their products. If it is such a good idea, why doesn't Honda do the same?




The Acura RLX is the RoLeX of automotivedom.

superchg2
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 20:44
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Time was, when you had a SS454 Chevelle, you had street Cred. An RLX, not so much.


bnilhome
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 23:04
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Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.



I agree with you. The RLX is not a flagship, and even if it were to the standard of the new RDX where it excels in many categories against European brands, it still should not be deemed a flagship due to its size being more of a 5 series competitor than a 7 series competitor. The Precision Concept has the size and prestige to be the flagship sedan.

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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-24-2018 23:59
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Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.


Here's a Flagship.


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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 00:36
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bnilhome wrote:

I agree with you. The RLX is not a flagship, and even if it were to the standard of the new RDX where it excels in many categories against European brands, it still should not be deemed a flagship due to its size being more of a 5 series competitor than a 7 series competitor. The Precision Concept has the size and prestige to be the flagship sedan.



noun

a large ship that leads a group of ships


the biggest, most important, or best thing in a group


Provided by Macmillan Dictionary



Umm, by definition the RLX, being the biggest vehicle Acura make and at the head of their "normal" line of vehicles, is the "flagship" of Acura's "fleet". It has nothing to do with anybody else's flagship vehicle [especially not the S Class]!

The only point of discussion in regard to Acura's flagship is whether the NSX qualifies as their flagship? I would have thought if Acura choose to use the word Flagship it is their prerogative to use it on the vehicle they choose, it is only "marketing speak" after all.

Of course you can all continue this conversation of the relative merits of Acura's "flagship" to your hearts content. :D


Nick GravesX
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 04:46
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superchg2 wrote:
Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.


Here's a Flagship.




Nah, that's a flash pig.

Civicb18
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 04:56
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Nick GravesX wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.


Here's a Flagship.




Nah, that's a flash pig.



The S-Class is THE flagship! BMW, Audi, Cadillac and Lexus canít make anything comparable or as desirable. Iíve been in a couple versions of the current S-Class and EVERYTHING in the car is first rate. Not a whif of cost cutting anywhere, it has road presence, everyone knows what it is, the materials and craftsmanship are first rate as is build quality which of course is expected in this class.

superchg2
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 05:50
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Civicb18 wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.


Here's a Flagship.




Nah, that's a flash pig.



The S-Class is THE flagship! BMW, Audi, Cadillac and Lexus canít make anything comparable or as desirable. Iíve been in a couple versions of the current S-Class and EVERYTHING in the car is first rate. Not a whif of cost cutting anywhere, it has road presence, everyone knows what it is, the materials and craftsmanship are first rate as is build quality which of course is expected in this class.


And taken a step further, Mercedes has the Maybach version.


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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 08:02
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Here's what Acura should REALLY be targeting!

 photo flagship_zpsjcqxcurv.jpg

bnilhome
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 08:10
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sadlerau wrote:
bnilhome wrote:

I agree with you. The RLX is not a flagship, and even if it were to the standard of the new RDX where it excels in many categories against European brands, it still should not be deemed a flagship due to its size being more of a 5 series competitor than a 7 series competitor. The Precision Concept has the size and prestige to be the flagship sedan.



noun

a large ship that leads a group of ships


the biggest, most important, or best thing in a group


Provided by Macmillan Dictionary



Umm, by definition the RLX, being the biggest vehicle Acura make and at the head of their "normal" line of vehicles, is the "flagship" of Acura's "fleet". It has nothing to do with anybody else's flagship vehicle [especially not the S Class]!

The only point of discussion in regard to Acura's flagship is whether the NSX qualifies as their flagship? I would have thought if Acura choose to use the word Flagship it is their prerogative to use it on the vehicle they choose, it is only "marketing speak" after all.

Of course you can all continue this conversation of the relative merits of Acura's "flagship" to your hearts content. :D




The latter definition per Webster definition that you provided is what is used to describe what is being talked about here. The Finest, Largest, or Most important of a group of things/products. I think what we are all saying here is that the RLX is not the finest or most important of Acura's portfolio, where for most luxury car companies there sedans due tend to the be finest or most important. If you simply look at which products are keeping Acura afloat, you could argue that the MDX and RDX are the most important parts of the portfolio if you want to get all focused on the definition, but in general most car buyers understand the term flagship when purchasing an sedan, and I think many on here feel that the RLX is not a worthy flagship at this point in time.

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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 08:41
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Nick GravesX wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.


Here's a Flagship.




Nah, that's a flash pig.


More flash, more miss piggy.



Mikeydred
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 14:19
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sadlerau wrote:
bnilhome wrote:

I agree with you. The RLX is not a flagship, and even if it were to the standard of the new RDX where it excels in many categories against European brands, it still should not be deemed a flagship due to its size being more of a 5 series competitor than a 7 series competitor. The Precision Concept has the size and prestige to be the flagship sedan.



noun

a large ship that leads a group of ships


the biggest, most important, or best thing in a group


Provided by Macmillan Dictionary



Umm, by definition the RLX, being the biggest vehicle Acura make and at the head of their "normal" line of vehicles, is the "flagship" of Acura's "fleet". It has nothing to do with anybody else's flagship vehicle [especially not the S Class]!

The only point of discussion in regard to Acura's flagship is whether the NSX qualifies as their flagship? I would have thought if Acura choose to use the word Flagship it is their prerogative to use it on the vehicle they choose, it is only "marketing speak" after all.

Of course you can all continue this conversation of the relative merits of Acura's "flagship" to your hearts content. :D



NSX is their Halo but as you say all market speak. Flagship usually represents the best a brand has to offer, many companies now are moving to SUVs as their flagship.

Mikeydred
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 14:22
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sadlerau wrote:
bnilhome wrote:

I agree with you. The RLX is not a flagship, and even if it were to the standard of the new RDX where it excels in many categories against European brands, it still should not be deemed a flagship due to its size being more of a 5 series competitor than a 7 series competitor. The Precision Concept has the size and prestige to be the flagship sedan.



noun

a large ship that leads a group of ships


the biggest, most important, or best thing in a group


Provided by Macmillan Dictionary



Umm, by definition the RLX, being the biggest vehicle Acura make and at the head of their "normal" line of vehicles, is the "flagship" of Acura's "fleet". It has nothing to do with anybody else's flagship vehicle [especially not the S Class]!

The only point of discussion in regard to Acura's flagship is whether the NSX qualifies as their flagship? I would have thought if Acura choose to use the word Flagship it is their prerogative to use it on the vehicle they choose, it is only "marketing speak" after all.

Of course you can all continue this conversation of the relative merits of Acura's "flagship" to your hearts content. :D




NSX is their Halo but as you say all market speak. Flagship usually represents the best a brand has to offer, many companies now are appear to be moving to SUVs as their flagship Q8, X7, Escalade was always Cadillac, etc.

TonyEX
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 17:08
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superchg2 wrote:
Time was, when you had a SS454 Chevelle, you had street Cred. An RLX, not so much.




What? Are you calling the RoLeZ a TiLeX? Maybe a TiMeX?

TonyEX
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 17:17
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RSX wrote:
Here's what Acura should REALLY be targeting!

 photo flagship_zpsjcqxcurv.jpg



Hmm... kamikaze?



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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 18:31
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^ Is that still a thing?
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 20:24
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bnilhome wrote:
Civicb18 wrote:
Iím still curious as to why Acura calls the RLX their flagship. A flagship is supposed to embody a brands top tier technical, design and engineering prowess all in one package. The RLX fails at all of those things as it uses an 8th generation Accord platform, basic engine architecture thatís over 20 years old and a design thatís lackluster at best. The only things that stand out are the Krell system and the Sport Hybrid AWD system which neither are on most RLXís sold. Acura can seriously do better.

I had a RLX Tech as a loaner a couple of years ago. It was ok. The materials were ok as it was quicker than I thought itíd be. However, the front suspension felt planted but the rear of the car was all over the place. The design screamed 2008 Accord with ugly front fenders and pretty headlights. The interior just seemed ordinary. Ever since the 91-95 Legend, Acura has (AGAIN) failed to capture that essence, road presence and sense of occasion that cars like the A6, 5 -Series and E-Class do so well. Iím really hoping the next gen RLX is a much better car in all those areas as the 3.5RL, RL and current RLX just never resonated well in this segment of car.



I agree with you. The RLX is not a flagship, and even if it were to the standard of the new RDX where it excels in many categories against European brands, it still should not be deemed a flagship due to its size being more of a 5 series competitor than a 7 series competitor. The Precision Concept has the size and prestige to be the flagship sedan.



The RLX is Acura's top model sedan with its top technology and luxury. It is Acura's flagship even if it is more of a 5 series sized competitor. The RLX does have more rear seat leg room then many mid sized competitors and Acura did brag the RLX has 7 series(regular wheelbase) leg room. It is Acura's flagship car.

The NSX is Acura's halo car, super cars are generally not regarded as flagships of a brand.

We will see about the Precision Concept, it is more of a low slung sedan with RWD proportions, there is no way possible to make its design/design elements look good on a FWD platform, I don't care how different Acura tries to claim it is from a Honda Accord platform if they put that radical design on a FWD platform it is going to look like shit and be very odd looking.


TonyEX
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 21:15
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Now, this is a Flagship... front nose drive, rear steering, open top! All it needs is a an behemoth Acura logo on the nose and perhaps a nice Power Plenum... Heck, it has an Acura Power Prop!

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/videos/a30821/helicron-propeller-car/



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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 22:29
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Speaking of flagships:

The US Navy is sometimes like Acura:


TonyEX
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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-25-2018 22:43
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owequitit wrote:
Speaking of flagships:

The US Navy is sometimes like Acura:




That's pretty funny.... mate! ;-D


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Re: Acura Flagship    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-26-2018 06:30
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:D

Yup!


 
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