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longhorn
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Japanese Automakers Team Up To Develop Solid-State Batteries    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-08-2018 09:50
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KaizenDo
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Re: Japanese Automakers Team Up To Develop Solid-State Batteries    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-08-2018 11:08
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Pretty pointless once you have Hydrogen tanks and fuel cells, but they could replace the buffer battery with an solid state battery.
danielgr
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Re: Japanese Automakers Team Up To Develop Solid-State Batteries    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-09-2018 08:59
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KaizenDo wrote:
Pretty pointless once you have Hydrogen tanks and fuel cells, but they could replace the buffer battery with an solid state battery.

I don't understand how at this point in time anyone can dismiss the need for, or the importance of, (chemical) batteries for automobiles. No matter its shape (HEV, PHEV, BEV, FCEV) the majority of automobiles sold in the next century in the developped world will have some kind of electrification going forward, and all of them (including fuel cells) need batteries.

From then on, and if you consider the consideral part of the total car cost they represent, it's only natural for the Japanese manufacturers to get involved into it.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Japanese Automakers Team Up To Develop Solid-State Batteries    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-09-2018 10:45
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Yeah, even if EVs only actually ever attain 10% of sales, that's a fuckload of batteries.


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Re: Japanese Automakers Team Up To Develop Solid-State Batteries    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-09-2018 11:17
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By the way, a fuel cell is technically in itself a battery as well.

danielgr wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
Pretty pointless once you have Hydrogen tanks and fuel cells, but they could replace the buffer battery with an solid state battery.

I don't understand how at this point in time anyone can dismiss the need for, or the importance of, (chemical) batteries for automobiles. No matter its shape (HEV, PHEV, BEV, FCEV) the majority of automobiles sold in the next century in the developped world will have some kind of electrification going forward, and all of them (including fuel cells) need batteries.

From then on, and if you consider the consideral part of the total car cost they represent, it's only natural for the Japanese manufacturers to get involved into it.



Yes and this is where the Japanese really should establish leadership as soon as possible. There's a situation already happening with lithium ion batteries and capacitors where the Japanese have the best chemistry, but the Koreans have probably the better mix of price to performance, and the Chinese have completely locked out the bottom crap (but gaining on the Koreans).


KaizenDo
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Re: Japanese Automakers Team Up To Develop Solid-State Batteries    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-09-2018 19:52
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danielgr wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
Pretty pointless once you have Hydrogen tanks and fuel cells, but they could replace the buffer battery with an solid state battery.

I don't understand how at this point in time anyone can dismiss the need for, or the importance of, (chemical) batteries for automobiles. No matter its shape (HEV, PHEV, BEV, FCEV) the majority of automobiles sold in the next century in the developped world will have some kind of electrification going forward, and all of them (including fuel cells) need batteries.

From then on, and if you consider the consideral part of the total car cost they represent, it's only natural for the Japanese manufacturers to get involved into it.



I'm not dismissing the need for batteries in FCEVs/HEVs, as you could see from the latter part of my sentense, talking bout buffer batteries.

The concept of an all one battery car though is obsolete, once you have masse energy storage technology like hydrogen. A high pressure gas tank will come down at around 12 USD per kWh, how much will an solid-state-battery cost? And just as with the Li-Ion BEVs we have today, still you will need to charge your solid-state battey BEV. With an FCEV you can have your hydrogene production run 24hours a day and refill within 5 minutes.


 
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