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The Legend
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Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-25-2018 18:01
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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-04-25/bosch-says-it-s-made-a-breakthrough-that-can-save-diesel-engines


Long live the Diesel ?

typer_801
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-25-2018 21:14
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Interesting...letís hope it comes to fruition in the form of new diesel cars hitting our shores. That said, whatever happened to the Mazda CX-5 diesel that was promised last fall. Still no word or ETA.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116088_mazda-cx-5-diesel-engine-still-mia-in-compact-crossover-utility-vehicle

sadlerau
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-25-2018 22:01
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Yah, and we can trust these people to meet these new targets just with software updates?

I hope the regulators are a bit more conscientious this time around!

Nick GravesX
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2018 04:31
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What's this new invention called - Bribeomatik?

Will it work on DI petrols, too?

CarPhreakD
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2018 09:58
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As far as the headline goes... yes, let's trust the company that is at the centre of all the cheats to make a breakthrough to save diesels! Borsche is technology agnostic (since they make... all electronics), but I can't believe they're still willing to push through with developments when they have been implicated in this whole mess.

typer_801 wrote:
Interesting...letís hope it comes to fruition in the form of new diesel cars hitting our shores. That said, whatever happened to the Mazda CX-5 diesel that was promised last fall. Still no word or ETA.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116088_mazda-cx-5-diesel-engine-still-mia-in-compact-crossover-utility-vehicle



Even without JihadDo's rants, diesel is simply dead. VW has the dubious honor of single-handedly destroying consumer interest in the technology (and of possibly the biggest scandal in automotive history, alongside maybe Takata). So I'd be surprised if Mazda ends up bringing their diesel tech here especially considering the Feds are sensitive to emissions certification.

JeffX
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2018 11:39
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CarPhreakD wrote:
As far as the headline goes... yes, let's trust the company that is at the centre of all the cheats to make a breakthrough to save diesels! Borsche is technology agnostic (since they make... all electronics), but I can't believe they're still willing to push through with developments when they have been implicated in this whole mess.

typer_801 wrote:
Interesting...letís hope it comes to fruition in the form of new diesel cars hitting our shores. That said, whatever happened to the Mazda CX-5 diesel that was promised last fall. Still no word or ETA.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116088_mazda-cx-5-diesel-engine-still-mia-in-compact-crossover-utility-vehicle



Even without JihadDo's rants, diesel is simply dead. VW has the dubious honor of single-handedly destroying consumer interest in the technology (and of possibly the biggest scandal in automotive history, alongside maybe Takata). So I'd be surprised if Mazda ends up bringing their diesel tech here especially considering the Feds are sensitive to emissions certification.



I still don't fully understand why the love affair with diesel for passenger cars ever began here.

In Europe it was simply driven by economics and bad policy. People were forced into diesels by the excessive taxation on petrol.

Yes, diesel cars are more efficient in general, but a big part of that is due to the fact that the fuel is more energy dense, to the tune of 20%. I understand why guys who tow a lot love their diesels, but they tend to ruin the dynamics of regular cars, with the excess weight and bottom heavy torque curves. On top of that, I never believed that there were ever any truly "clean diesels" and yup, it was all a huge scam. Screw diesels.



BG
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2018 11:44
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What a line....

"He said the company is prohibiting technology that recognizes test cycles and its products arenít allowed to be optimized for test situations any more."

:D

gogzy
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2018 15:10
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"avoid potential driving bans"
"The German engineering giant, the biggest supplier of diesel-engine technology to global automakers "

"avoid" and "biggest supplier".. these 2 words, set off the alarm. na, sorry I do not buy it. this article is probably more about buying time, not finding solution.

KaizenDo
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2018 16:11
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CarPhreakD wrote:
As far as the headline goes... yes, let's trust the company that is at the centre of all the cheats to make a breakthrough to save diesels! Borsche is technology agnostic (since they make... all electronics), but I can't believe they're still willing to push through with developments when they have been implicated in this whole mess.

typer_801 wrote:
Interesting...letís hope it comes to fruition in the form of new diesel cars hitting our shores. That said, whatever happened to the Mazda CX-5 diesel that was promised last fall. Still no word or ETA.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116088_mazda-cx-5-diesel-engine-still-mia-in-compact-crossover-utility-vehicle



Even without JihadDo's rants, diesel is simply dead. VW has the dubious honor of single-handedly destroying consumer interest in the technology (and of possibly the biggest scandal in automotive history, alongside maybe Takata). So I'd be surprised if Mazda ends up bringing their diesel tech here especially considering the Feds are sensitive to emissions certification.



Thanks for the flowers. It must be some american/canadian strange logic, that people who tell you the fucking truth, get a namecalling. I have a picture in my head which would describe you guys pretty well, it contains 3 lads sitting next to each other and do the things you do... ;)

Anyways, as Jeff already said, the interest for these oilburners in the US is rather strange. European makers specialized in those things, to be different from the foreign competitors and let EU politicians impose heavy taxes on gasoline and more voluminous vehicles. It's a matter of market protectionism.

Nowadays Atkinson-Cycle gasoline engines are just as efficient as Diesel engines, yet the european makers pull of the same strategy again - ignoring full hybrid technology which is mastered by the koreans and offering plug-in-hybrids with downsizing engines. Guess which cars get tax cut and which do not?

I see in the Bosch anouncement just another desperate trial to buy more time for their diseasel engines. They do everything they can to keep these zombies alive and squish out the last bit of money from their customers.

A77X
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 10:17
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Diesel became popular in the UK despite the fuel being no cheaper and the cars costing more to buy. My own findings in the UK are that people like them because of their driving characteristics not despite them. The seemingly effortless low end torque is preferred by the vast majority to revving an NA gas engine. And in many cases turbo diesel pulling power is superior to gas turbo too. The fuel economy is a bonus. But emissions mean their time has come. Rumour has it jaguar land rover right now is taking no orders in UK on future diesel production as they cant meet upcoming emission rules. Whatever happens many people will miss their diesels.
CarPhreakD
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 10:43
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A77X wrote:
Diesel became popular in the UK despite the fuel being no cheaper and the cars costing more to buy. My own findings in the UK are that people like them because of their driving characteristics not despite them. The seemingly effortless low end torque is preferred by the vast majority to revving an NA gas engine. And in many cases turbo diesel pulling power is superior to gas turbo too. The fuel economy is a bonus. But emissions mean their time has come. Rumour has it jaguar land rover right now is taking no orders in UK on future diesel production as they cant meet upcoming emission rules. Whatever happens many people will miss their diesels.


If people are seduced by the low-end 'torque' and pulling power, then I'd honestly be surprised if those same people balk at BEVs and hybrids since they do mostly the same thing.

NealX
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 11:07
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KaizenDo wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
As far as the headline goes... yes, let's trust the company that is at the centre of all the cheats to make a breakthrough to save diesels! Borsche is technology agnostic (since they make... all electronics), but I can't believe they're still willing to push through with developments when they have been implicated in this whole mess.

typer_801 wrote:
Interesting...letís hope it comes to fruition in the form of new diesel cars hitting our shores. That said, whatever happened to the Mazda CX-5 diesel that was promised last fall. Still no word or ETA.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116088_mazda-cx-5-diesel-engine-still-mia-in-compact-crossover-utility-vehicle



Even without JihadDo's rants, diesel is simply dead. VW has the dubious honor of single-handedly destroying consumer interest in the technology (and of possibly the biggest scandal in automotive history, alongside maybe Takata). So I'd be surprised if Mazda ends up bringing their diesel tech here especially considering the Feds are sensitive to emissions certification.



Thanks for the flowers. It must be some american/canadian strange logic, that people who tell you the fucking truth, get a namecalling. I have a picture in my head which would describe you guys pretty well, it contains 3 lads sitting next to each other and do the things you do... ;)


I believe you're simply experiencing the difference between casual interest and militant activism. ;)

superchg2
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 11:09
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KaizenDo wrote:
It must be some american/canadian strange logic, that people who tell you the fucking truth, get a namecalling.

KaizenDo, I thought that you were going to go out and take a walk, and not let all of this forum stuff bother you so much.
:)

KaizenDo
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 11:54
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superchg2 wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
It must be some american/canadian strange logic, that people who tell you the fucking truth, get a namecalling.

KaizenDo, I thought that you were going to go out and take a walk, and not let all of this forum stuff bother you so much.
:)



How about you do the same and for a change listen to the people who have the questionalbe luck of being faced with Bosch invetions on a daily base ;)

superchg2
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 12:46
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KaizenDo wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
It must be some american/canadian strange logic, that people who tell you the fucking truth, get a namecalling.

KaizenDo, I thought that you were going to go out and take a walk, and not let all of this forum stuff bother you so much.
:)



How about you do the same and for a change listen to the people who have the questionalbe luck of being faced with Bosch invetions on a daily base ;)


I have been listening and Bosch was involved in the Diesel testing fraud, right along with VW.

"Evidence obtained by car owners shows that Bosch participated in both the development of the defeat device and in the scheme to prevent U.S. regulators from uncovering the device's true functionality, according to the filing Tuesday in San Francisco federal court.

VW's "ingeniously designed defeat devices" were armed with software provided by Bosch, according to the filing. They were designed to recognize when the car was being tested in a lab or smog station to feign clean emissions and compliance with pollution standards. All the while, according to the filing, Bosch marketed "clean diesel" technology in the U.S. and lobbied U.S. regulators to approve the vehicles included in VW's settlement."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20160818/COPY01/308189978/bosch-had-key-role-in-vw-emissions-fraud-lawyers-claim

BG
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 16:14
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I asked a question on twitter to a motoring journalist about the time frame for this tech.... I got a response from the journalist, but later on another response was made by Florian Flaig of Bosch... Here's his response...

"Parts of technology are already in series cars - look at some that perform with 40 mg/km. This prototype tech will be standard by 2020/21 - until then further decrease till values are around 13 mg or lower. Bosch now developing 300 rde Diesel projects with carmakers"

https://twitter.com/Shane_O_D/status/992012842772697089?s=19

superchg2
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Re: Bosch Says It's Made a Breakthrough That Can Save Diesel Engines    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2018 17:28
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I wouldn't trust Bosch as far as I can throw them.

 
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