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RolledaNsx
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Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2018 13:41
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Will debut at Geneva and will go on sale later in the year.

2.0L

Vxtec
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-17-2018 00:20
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Hopefully it comes to Oz in the near future too!
Fan Koni
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-18-2018 00:25
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I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-18-2018 04:36
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Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.

JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-18-2018 11:15
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.



I'm curious to see how they package the IPU in this one.

KyDave95
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-18-2018 21:29
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.



I've given up waiting for a hybrid CR-V to be available in the US. A hybrid version of either the HR-V or the CR-V could have been a great choice for me. Unfortunately, the vehicle I had been driving was approaching 100,000 miles, and a sensor that had recently failed was going to cost something like $800 or more to repair. So it looks like I won't be able to wait for 2019 models to arrive...

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 03:36
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JeffX wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.



I'm curious to see how they package the IPU in this one.



Interesting thought.

I'd presumed it was a Civsightord plank with a higher H-point so it would fit more easily under the rear seat.

Hence the lack of magic seats or such.

Fan Koni
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 03:45
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JeffX wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.



I'm curious to see how they package the IPU in this one.



I'd be surprised if they try anything different to the accord.

jshaw
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 04:32
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Nick GravesX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.



I'm curious to see how they package the IPU in this one.



Interesting thought.

I'd presumed it was a Civsightord plank with a higher H-point so it would fit more easily under the rear seat.

Hence the lack of magic seats or such.


In the previous gen US CR-V, at least, the seat cushion flips forward and the seatback folds forward into the void left by the seat cushion. This provides for a mostly flat load floor. I suspect the seat folding function of the CR-V hybrid will be more like the Accord - not quite flat, but close enough for a hybrid?

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 05:49
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jshaw wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
I really wonder what's taking them so long.
Perhaps waiting for Diesel engines to be banned in more cities?
Mitsubishi's outlander phev has been making a killing in Europe for years, I it will even hit the ground with a FMC soon.



Normal for Neurope...takes Honda until the MMC to get anything here.

And they wonder why market share continually slides.

I believe they've given up.



I'm curious to see how they package the IPU in this one.



Interesting thought.

I'd presumed it was a Civsightord plank with a higher H-point so it would fit more easily under the rear seat.

Hence the lack of magic seats or such.


In the previous gen US CR-V, at least, the seat cushion flips forward and the seatback folds forward into the void left by the seat cushion. This provides for a mostly flat load floor. I suspect the seat folding function of the CR-V hybrid will be more like the Accord - not quite flat, but close enough for a hybrid?



I looked at a Youtube vid before posting - the seats don't seem to fold quite flat and one (Chinese?) has two captains chairs with a big arm rest built into the cushion.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 05:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuqZ3XLwBmc
BG
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 06:05
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This isn't new news though, I'd be interested in how the 1.5t awd version performs, and does it get a 7 seat option??
Brutus
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2018 15:23
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U.S. wants theirs, that I what I care about. Stop letting Toyota own the market.

B.

Fan Koni
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-20-2018 11:59
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Brutus wrote:
U.S. wants theirs, that I what I care about. Stop letting Toyota own the market.

B.



Assuming the CRV will get the accord hybrid drivetrain it would destroy the RAV4 in a comparison. Except it would be FWD.
So I think that is part of the delay.

3stageD15B
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-28-2018 16:11
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Fan Koni wrote:

Assuming the CRV will get the accord hybrid drivetrain it would destroy the RAV4 in a comparison. Except it would be FWD.
So I think that is part of the delay.



This is the second article I've read that indicates that CRV Hybrid will be available in an AWD version when it goes on sale.

"All models are front-wheel drive as standard, but both the gasoline and hybrid powertrains can be specified with Honda's Real Time AWD with Intelligent Control System. Combined with a 38-mm higher ground clearance (208 mm for the AWD gasoline model), the CR-V promises "genuine all-terrain capability."

https://drivemag.com/news/all-new-honda-cr-v-goes-hybrid-for-its-european-debut


Mikgtir
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-01-2018 18:43
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3stageD15B wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:

Assuming the CRV will get the accord hybrid drivetrain it would destroy the RAV4 in a comparison. Except it would be FWD.
So I think that is part of the delay.



This is the second article I've read that indicates that CRV Hybrid will be available in an AWD version when it goes on sale.

"All models are front-wheel drive as standard, but both the gasoline and hybrid powertrains can be specified with Honda's Real Time AWD with Intelligent Control System. Combined with a 38-mm higher ground clearance (208 mm for the AWD gasoline model), the CR-V promises "genuine all-terrain capability."

https://drivemag.com/news/all-new-honda-cr-v-goes-hybrid-for-its-european-debut



Now that makes sense! A 4wd CRV Hybrid!

JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-01-2018 19:22
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Mikgtir wrote:
3stageD15B wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:

Assuming the CRV will get the accord hybrid drivetrain it would destroy the RAV4 in a comparison. Except it would be FWD.
So I think that is part of the delay.



This is the second article I've read that indicates that CRV Hybrid will be available in an AWD version when it goes on sale.

"All models are front-wheel drive as standard, but both the gasoline and hybrid powertrains can be specified with Honda's Real Time AWD with Intelligent Control System. Combined with a 38-mm higher ground clearance (208 mm for the AWD gasoline model), the CR-V promises "genuine all-terrain capability."

https://drivemag.com/news/all-new-honda-cr-v-goes-hybrid-for-its-european-debut



Now that makes sense! A 4wd CRV Hybrid!



The Vezel hybrid is offered with AWD, so it sort of wouldn't make sense if they didn't do the same with the CR-V (even though the powertrains are very different).

RolledaNsx
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 01:00
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From Drive Event in Japan for the CR-V HEV........it come AWD.

The event from in the north island in the snow.

JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 10:26
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RolledaNsx wrote:
From Drive Event in Japan for the CR-V HEV........it come AWD.

The event from in the north island in the snow.



I will be very interested to see how they achieved AWD with the 2-motor iMMD. I see a couple scenarios: 1) It's a different system from iMMD or 2) the power takeoff for the rear axle is a fixed ratio that would approximate something like a typical 1st or 2nd gear so AWD would only be available at speeds below 30-35mph.

I don't see #2 being a likely solution but since there's no stepped gear transmission in iMMD I don't know how they would manage that aspect of powering the rear axle.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 10:37
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JeffX wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
From Drive Event in Japan for the CR-V HEV........it come AWD.

The event from in the north island in the snow.



I will be very interested to see how they achieved AWD with the 2-motor iMMD. I see a couple scenarios: 1) It's a different system from iMMD or 2) the power takeoff for the rear axle is a fixed ratio that would approximate something like a typical 1st or 2nd gear so AWD would only be available at speeds below 30-35mph.

I don't see #2 being a likely solution but since there's no stepped gear transmission in iMMD I don't know how they would manage that aspect of powering the rear axle.



1. Jack up a Legend.

2. Unbolt TMU.

3. Bolt brackets welded onto to CR-V subframe.

4. Run cable from controller to TMU.

5. Go down the pub.

It'd be way lighter than a PTO and a long driveshaft & centre bearing. Probably...



Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 10:39
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Erratum:

3. Bolt to brackets...

JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 11:37
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Nick GravesX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
From Drive Event in Japan for the CR-V HEV........it come AWD.

The event from in the north island in the snow.



I will be very interested to see how they achieved AWD with the 2-motor iMMD. I see a couple scenarios: 1) It's a different system from iMMD or 2) the power takeoff for the rear axle is a fixed ratio that would approximate something like a typical 1st or 2nd gear so AWD would only be available at speeds below 30-35mph.

I don't see #2 being a likely solution but since there's no stepped gear transmission in iMMD I don't know how they would manage that aspect of powering the rear axle.



1. Jack up a Legend.

2. Unbolt TMU.

3. Bolt brackets welded onto to CR-V subframe.

4. Run cable from controller to TMU.

5. Go down the pub.

It'd be way lighter than a PTO and a long driveshaft & centre bearing. Probably...





Yeah I just cant see them putting that much cost on a CR-V. Rolled says it's using hydraulic clutches, which makes it sound more like the current VTM4/SH-AWD setup.

JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 12:13
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It would seem that the answer likely lies somewhere here within this article.


JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 12:18
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JeffX wrote:
It would seem that the answer likely lies somewhere here within this article.




okay. I take that back. after reading the machine translation, I still don't know how they're managing the power takeoff when there's no transmission.

It is in fact i-MMD. and It does use hydraulic clutches. So I'm left guessing that they are able to perform a power takeoff of the actual electric output (e-CVT)? I haven't thought it through mechanically but at this point it seems like about the only possible way to achieve it with i-MMD.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 12:19
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JeffX wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
From Drive Event in Japan for the CR-V HEV........it come AWD.

The event from in the north island in the snow.



I will be very interested to see how they achieved AWD with the 2-motor iMMD. I see a couple scenarios: 1) It's a different system from iMMD or 2) the power takeoff for the rear axle is a fixed ratio that would approximate something like a typical 1st or 2nd gear so AWD would only be available at speeds below 30-35mph.

I don't see #2 being a likely solution but since there's no stepped gear transmission in iMMD I don't know how they would manage that aspect of powering the rear axle.



1. Jack up a Legend.

2. Unbolt TMU.

3. Bolt brackets welded onto to CR-V subframe.

4. Run cable from controller to TMU.

5. Go down the pub.

It'd be way lighter than a PTO and a long driveshaft & centre bearing. Probably...





Yeah I just cant see them putting that much cost on a CR-V. Rolled says it's using hydraulic clutches, which makes it sound more like the current VTM4/SH-AWD setup.



I'd not seen that bit - baffling.

I'm not sure how much cost adding an established TMU would add over all the expensive hybrid stuff (AWD Volvos have a similar option) but maybe at its price-point, it might have a simplified (SMU?) system.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 12:52
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JeffX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
It would seem that the answer likely lies somewhere here within this article.




okay. I take that back. after reading the machine translation, I still don't know how they're managing the power takeoff when there's no transmission.

It is in fact i-MMD. and It does use hydraulic clutches. So I'm left guessing that they are able to perform a power takeoff of the actual electric output (e-CVT)? I haven't thought it through mechanically but at this point it seems like about the only possible way to achieve it with i-MMD.



Thanks for the link - I've been reading Japglish too long so it makes sense to me.

Yes, it is a development of RT, with some torque-vectoring added - probably akin to your Pilot.

I believe you're over-thinking it mechanically; I suspect the power take-off from the front wheel diff is akin to every other AWD Honda with a 90-degree transfer case, its drive bolted to the crown wheel. All the electric torque-gearing's already done by then.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 12:57
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Erratum #2; there is in fact a transfer gear between the GB output gear and the crown wheel and the drive comes from that. In my Legend, at least...
JeffX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 13:10
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Erratum #2; there is in fact a transfer gear between the GB output gear and the crown wheel and the drive comes from that. In my Legend, at least...


Yes I was just being dense I suppose. This seems to the most logical explanation.

And I can see how the AWD system would be great considering the reverse hockey stick nature of the torque curve. You get max torque from launch on up to about 35mph, at which point the HP curve holds flat and the torque trails off consistently. So at higher speeds you have less torque overall, which is why typical EVs feel pretty flat in terms of acceleration when you're at higher speeds.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 13:45
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^ yup - one only really requires a fairly small torque discrepancy front-rear most of the time. It's why I dislike the Ferrari twin-gearbox solution.

I cannot help feeling that the eSHAWD solution is a lot simpler and more elegant, though...maybe on high-end Acuras, hence sticking to transverse engines.

TonyEX
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Re: Europe gets CR-V Hybrid    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2018 14:11
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JeffX wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
From Drive Event in Japan for the CR-V HEV........it come AWD.

The event from in the north island in the snow.



I will be very interested to see how they achieved AWD with the 2-motor iMMD. I see a couple scenarios: 1) It's a different system from iMMD or 2) the power takeoff for the rear axle is a fixed ratio that would approximate something like a typical 1st or 2nd gear so AWD would only be available at speeds below 30-35mph.

I don't see #2 being a likely solution but since there's no stepped gear transmission in iMMD I don't know how they would manage that aspect of powering the rear axle.



1. Jack up a Legend.

2. Unbolt TMU.

3. Bolt brackets welded onto to CR-V subframe.

4. Run cable from controller to TMU.

5. Go down the pub.

It'd be way lighter than a PTO and a long driveshaft & centre bearing. Probably...





Yeah I just cant see them putting that much cost on a CR-V. Rolled says it's using hydraulic clutches, which makes it sound more like the current VTM4/SH-AWD setup.



NIck is correct in his assessment.

The logical way of doing it is to use a three motor drive.

Otherwise, if the ICE is always driving directly it removes the EV torque feel and a transmission is required.

Front and Rear drive electric motors and the ICE hooks up to the front as in "normal" iMMD.


 
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