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Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2017 18:50
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It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.

shingles
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2017 18:57
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gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.

Type-R
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2017 19:28
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shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...


HondaJet
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 01:13
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Type-R wrote:
shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...



and just a short 6 years ago...
https://youtu.be/emQnLvIpAzE

Type-R
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 07:55
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HondaJet wrote:
Type-R wrote:
shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...



and just a short 6 years ago...
https://youtu.be/emQnLvIpAzE




Since when did Indy became more important and prestigious worldwide than F1 ?

Happy for Honda, but in the old days (under the founder) Honda used to aim for best of the best worldwide, not just domestically...

Apparently many of you have forgotten what Honda used to be under the founder in the late 80's and early 90's. And it's more proofs to what I've been stating the last few months, that when you shift the decision making from Japan to the US, you get what you get today, that domestically is what counts and praise it as a worldwide success. Typical US executives to think this way, the GM way of thinking...

CanTeX
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 09:16
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Obfuscation. Oo! Oo! Honda raced cars, therefore Hondas are based on race-proven engineering! Let's go buy one right now!

Hey, whatever works, right?

fatbloke
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 10:09
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Type-R wrote:
shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...



But they do have a racing heritage, what are you talking about. You said it yourself - "Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today..." That means they have a racing heritage you fool!

Type-R
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 12:46
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fatbloke wrote:
Type-R wrote:
shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...



But they do have a racing heritage, what are you talking about. You said it yourself - "Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today..." That means they have a racing heritage you fool!



So go out an buy a Honda and boast that it has racing heritage, of 30 years ago, you fool!

Hondarulez
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 13:39
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As far as I know, Honda has racing heritage. They have been racing for a long time and was highly successful at different periods. That's basically what heritage means.

On the other hand, Honda isn't doing so well in the racing world these days, but I personally don't think we can take away what Honda has achieved in the past with racing.


Type-R
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2017 14:29
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Hondarulez wrote:
As far as I know, Honda has racing heritage. They have been racing for a long time and was highly successful at different periods. That's basically what heritage means.

On the other hand, Honda isn't doing so well in the racing world these days, but I personally don't think we can take away what Honda has achieved in the past with racing.




Correct Hondarulez.
But one thing was to buy a Type R from the early 90's, another one was is to buy one now.

The difference is that when you are the pinnacle in racing worldwide (as Honda was in those years), and the founder wants his engeneers to think outside the box, you get cars that you'd not get from other car manufacturers. i.e. ITR, Prelude S, the NSX. All cars that in those years were
- Ahead of their time
- Completely original and unique in tech for those years
- Admired in most places around the world, to this day, especially the NSX and ITR

That's what Honda was, a company that taught lessons to everyone. (Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Benz included)

Do you get that today?

This is my point. That to use the heritage of 25-30 years ago is misleading, since today Honda is NOT what it used to be. It tries to become at that level, bur so far...

I'd not trade an original ITR for any car in the world, except for this one (see below link), but this one was very exceptional, special, and to this day it is a legend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Delta#/media/File:Delta_gruppo_A.jpg





fatbloke
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-18-2017 03:19
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Type-R wrote:
fatbloke wrote:
Type-R wrote:
shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...



But they do have a racing heritage, what are you talking about. You said it yourself - "Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today..." That means they have a racing heritage you fool!



So go out an buy a Honda and boast that it has racing heritage, of 30 years ago, you fool!

It still has a racing heritage right now competing in many categories, but you seem to be fixated that if your competing in F1 but not doing very well then your heritage is cancelled, you fool! You need to engage your brain before you open your mouth!

fatbloke
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-18-2017 03:44
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Type-R wrote:
fatbloke wrote:
Type-R wrote:
shingles wrote:
gshyu wrote:
It might be good if McLaren-Honda cars could just FINISH the races on a regular basis in the sport that's the epitome of racing...

Save your commercial dollars. There's no better PR than podium finishes. I'm about ready to go out and buy a Mercedes because I can't afford a Ferrari.



So... go.

What's M-H got to do with American Honda advert dollars... not a whole hell of a lot. Most Americans know nothing about F1. So I think they are ok.

This forum is so damn dramatic sometimes.




Then they shouldn't advertise in the US as a car manufacturer with a *racing heritage*

What racing heritage? And don't tell me some GT race competition that no American cares (except the race enthusiasts which are far and few in between) from Acura can justify a car company advertising itself as "racing heritage" when at the epitome of racing tech (F1) they are as lost as they can be.

Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today...



But they do have a racing heritage, what are you talking about. You said it yourself - "Have all of you forgotten what Honda used to be in the late 80's to early 90's? Compare that to today..." That means they have a racing heritage you fool!



So go out an buy a Honda and boast that it has racing heritage, of 30 years ago, you fool!


OMG I've just realized what you said, you get funnier by the minute " So go out an buy a Honda and boast that it has racing heritage, of 30 years ago" that just about sums you up you saddo!

Hondarulez
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-18-2017 13:05
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Type-R wrote:
Hondarulez wrote:
As far as I know, Honda has racing heritage. They have been racing for a long time and was highly successful at different periods. That's basically what heritage means.

On the other hand, Honda isn't doing so well in the racing world these days, but I personally don't think we can take away what Honda has achieved in the past with racing.




Correct Hondarulez.
But one thing was to buy a Type R from the early 90's, another one was is to buy one now.

The difference is that when you are the pinnacle in racing worldwide (as Honda was in those years), and the founder wants his engeneers to think outside the box, you get cars that you'd not get from other car manufacturers. i.e. ITR, Prelude S, the NSX. All cars that in those years were
- Ahead of their time
- Completely original and unique in tech for those years
- Admired in most places around the world, to this day, especially the NSX and ITR

That's what Honda was, a company that taught lessons to everyone. (Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Benz included)

Do you get that today?

This is my point. That to use the heritage of 25-30 years ago is misleading, since today Honda is NOT what it used to be. It tries to become at that level, bur so far...

I'd not trade an original ITR for any car in the world, except for this one (see below link), but this one was very exceptional, special, and to this day it is a legend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Delta#/media/File:Delta_gruppo_A.jpg





I perfectly understand where you are coming from and see why you'd think that.

On the other hand, some would say the 9g CTR and 10g CTR, as well as the new NSX, are ars that you can't get from other manufacturers.

I think it also took a bit of time before people start recognizing the cars you mentioned. Back when the ITR and NSX were still relatively new, there were many admirers. But there were also many naysayers too. For instance, they would say the ITR is gutless with less than 200hp and puny 131lbft of torque, and that the Mustang GT makes 260hp and double the amount of torque while being cheaper. Likewise, there were people who said the NSX was overpriced and questioned how could a super car has a NA V6 with less than 300hp. Not saying these people were right, rather, just pointing out what some others said about certain brilliant Honda's back in the days.

Which is sort of similar to what's happening to the new NSX and CTR nowadays.

Grace141
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Re: Speaking of Racing... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-20-2017 10:44
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There was a Renault Alliance on Bring-a-Trailer several months back.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-renault-gta-convertible-2-0-amc-alliance/

How does that look for celebrating Renault's racing heritage? And just about everyone can afford one these days.

Or better still...

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/06/05/35k-mile-survivor-1982-renault-fuego-turbo/

Okay, sarcasm aside, all of these small cars of the early '80s had excellent interior space for their overall size. And the French-based cars including the Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon twins had solid, comfortable ride and handling. They would fold up like a soda can in a traffic accident but oh well.


 
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