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TonyEX
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Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2016 13:58
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So.... how much better is SH-AWD over AWD nowadays?

it seems like VTM-4 (or whatever it's called now) has moved to the realm of torque vectoring.. which makes it SH-AWD.

Specifically, how much better is the Ridgeline's AWD over the RDX's AWD.

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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2016 14:39
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TonyEX wrote:
So.... how much better is SH-AWD over AWD nowadays?

it seems like VTM-4 (or whatever it's called now) has moved to the realm of torque vectoring.. which makes it SH-AWD.

Specifically, how much better is the Ridgeline's AWD over the RDX's AWD.



some say
I-VTM 4 has the same part numbers as SHAWD but different software so think of it as a less aggressive SH in the corners.

i dunno if the rear wheels get power all the time like in SH awd tho? but its based on the mdx with same everything it would make sense to save cash and just use the same parts.

The 2016 MDX and Pilot get 19/27/22mpg each. both exact same so im assuming its exactly sh-awd.

TonyEX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2016 15:16
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PoweredbyHondaX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
So.... how much better is SH-AWD over AWD nowadays?

it seems like VTM-4 (or whatever it's called now) has moved to the realm of torque vectoring.. which makes it SH-AWD.

Specifically, how much better is the Ridgeline's AWD over the RDX's AWD.



some say
I-VTM 4 has the same part numbers as SHAWD but different software so think of it as a less aggressive SH in the corners.

i dunno if the rear wheels get power all the time like in SH awd tho? but its based on the mdx with same everything it would make sense to save cash and just use the same parts.

The 2016 MDX and Pilot get 19/27/22mpg each. both exact same so im assuming its exactly sh-awd.



Hmm.. so for 41K, I can get another RDX Tech VTM-4 or a Pilot EX-L iVTM-4 with NAVI and other doodahs..

What I will be missing is the two memory driver's seat, the LED lights and the ELS audio.

Hmmmm.....

Trip
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2016 21:17
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Give this a read:

http://blogs.youwheel.com/2015/03/31/acura-sh-awd-comprehensive-analysis/

Good article about SH-AWD. Scroll down and it compares it to VTM4.

JeffX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-04-2016 00:47
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TonyEX wrote:
So.... how much better is SH-AWD over AWD nowadays?

it seems like VTM-4 (or whatever it's called now) has moved to the realm of torque vectoring.. which makes it SH-AWD.

Specifically, how much better is the Ridgeline's AWD over the RDX's AWD.


The RDX has the "real-time" AWD system that you'll find in a CR-V. VTM-4/SH-AWD is a more advanced system. And you must not have been paying attention but when the Pilot came out we revealed that it was truly SH-AWD.

The AWD system in the Pilot and Ridgeline are SH-AWD.

TonyEX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-04-2016 16:49
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JeffX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
So.... how much better is SH-AWD over AWD nowadays?

it seems like VTM-4 (or whatever it's called now) has moved to the realm of torque vectoring.. which makes it SH-AWD.

Specifically, how much better is the Ridgeline's AWD over the RDX's AWD.


The RDX has the "real-time" AWD system that you'll find in a CR-V. VTM-4/SH-AWD is a more advanced system. And you must not have been paying attention but when the Pilot came out we revealed that it was truly SH-AWD.

The AWD system in the Pilot and Ridgeline are SH-AWD.



I was not really paying attention to the Pilot indeed.... until recently.

So, I guess the next RDX will again be SH-AWD.... but that will be the '18 model, not the '17.

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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2016 13:58
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Trip wrote:
Give this a read:

http://blogs.youwheel.com/2015/03/31/acura-sh-awd-comprehensive-analysis/

Good article about SH-AWD. Scroll down and it compares it to VTM4.



Many thanks, Trip.

That's probably the most succinct and yet comprehensive article I've yet seen - and why my SH-AWD IS the best!

Honda ought to publish something along those lines.

TonyEX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2016 16:33
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Trip wrote:
Give this a read:

http://blogs.youwheel.com/2015/03/31/acura-sh-awd-comprehensive-analysis/

Good article about SH-AWD. Scroll down and it compares it to VTM4.



Many thanks, Trip.

That's probably the most succinct and yet comprehensive article I've yet seen - and why my SH-AWD IS the best!

Honda ought to publish something along those lines.



I still think that eSH-AWD has the potential of being the best...
indeed, at some point they got to go to four electric hub motors.

Potenza
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2016 20:01
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TonyEX wrote:
I still think that eSH-AWD has the potential of being the best...
indeed, at some point they got to go to four electric hub motors.

Is there a benefit to that? Currently the motor weight is centralized under the car... I'm not eager to see that all become unsprung weight unless there is a significant advantage.

JeffX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2016 20:47
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Potenza wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
I still think that eSH-AWD has the potential of being the best...
indeed, at some point they got to go to four electric hub motors.

Is there a benefit to that? Currently the motor weight is centralized under the car... I'm not eager to see that all become unsprung weight unless there is a significant advantage.



exactly. when you drive a car with a lot of unsprung weight you can feel it right away and it sucks. I think the "TMU" is the best engineering solution at the moment.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2016 14:23
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I did post a technical paper on that some time back; it's not unmanageable, but it's definitely undesirable.

I suppose the time will come when all cars are so big, lumpen and underisable that it won't matter. When an HR-V is the size on an MDX...

TonyEX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-07-2016 16:21
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JeffX wrote:
Potenza wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
I still think that eSH-AWD has the potential of being the best...
indeed, at some point they got to go to four electric hub motors.

Is there a benefit to that? Currently the motor weight is centralized under the car... I'm not eager to see that all become unsprung weight unless there is a significant advantage.



exactly. when you drive a car with a lot of unsprung weight you can feel it right away and it sucks. I think the "TMU" is the best engineering solution at the moment.



Yikes... you guys are soo 20th century, really, like...

Integrate the wheel, brake and motor into one set up.... make them out of ceramics with light weight alloys to protect the wheel.

Semi auto suspension...

Want more power? Buy a more power set of wheels.

"Powered by Kumho" might become a reality.

Or, inboard motor/brakes with short half shafts.

The four motor/brake assemblies with either a FC or a small serial ICE generator will still weight less than a big honking ICE with AWD transmission!


JeffX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-07-2016 16:30
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TonyEX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
Potenza wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
I still think that eSH-AWD has the potential of being the best...
indeed, at some point they got to go to four electric hub motors.

Is there a benefit to that? Currently the motor weight is centralized under the car... I'm not eager to see that all become unsprung weight unless there is a significant advantage.



exactly. when you drive a car with a lot of unsprung weight you can feel it right away and it sucks. I think the "TMU" is the best engineering solution at the moment.



Yikes... you guys are soo 20th century, really, like...

Integrate the wheel, brake and motor into one set up.... make them out of ceramics with light weight alloys to protect the wheel.

Semi auto suspension...

Want more power? Buy a more power set of wheels.

"Powered by Kumho" might become a reality.

Or, inboard motor/brakes with short half shafts.

The four motor/brake assemblies with either a FC or a small serial ICE generator will still weight less than a big honking ICE with AWD transmission!




Yikes. unsprung mass is unsprung mass. On a vehicle with "hub motors" the unsprung mass will be way more than in a traditional vehicle which doesn't have in hub motors, even if you use exotic materials. Electric motors are dense and heavy. More power = more mass. It would suck for performance (in terms of handling) and for ride quality.



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TonyEX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-07-2016 18:15
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JeffX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:


Yikes... you guys are soo 20th century, really, like...

....

Or, inboard motor/brakes with short half shafts.

The four motor/brake assemblies with either a FC or a small serial ICE generator will still weight less than a big honking ICE with AWD transmission!




Yikes. unsprung mass is unsprung mass. On a vehicle with "hub motors" the unsprung mass will be way more than in a traditional vehicle which doesn't have in hub motors, even if you use exotic materials. Electric motors are dense and heavy. More power = more mass. It would suck for performance (in terms of handling) and for ride quality.




Did you note my comment?

Ay!

BTW, I've always thought that sprung weight was somehow wrong.

I've always thought about looking at the car's body proper as the sprung weight, just as Jim Hall originally mounted the wings on the Chaparral 2E: the wing struts exerted force directly on to the rear suspension uprights (not the body).. hence keeping the wheels on the ground while they softly sprung the body above it.

If you were to put the force down on the wheel, to keep them ON THE GROUND at all times, then you could make the car's suspension reasonably soft.

Why don't automakers do this, at least in their high performance cars? I figure at 60 mph you could generate lots of downforce for the wheels, not the car!

Grace141
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-08-2016 01:02
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TonyEX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:


Yikes... you guys are soo 20th century, really, like...

....

Or, inboard motor/brakes with short half shafts.

The four motor/brake assemblies with either a FC or a small serial ICE generator will still weight less than a big honking ICE with AWD transmission!




Yikes. unsprung mass is unsprung mass. On a vehicle with "hub motors" the unsprung mass will be way more than in a traditional vehicle which doesn't have in hub motors, even if you use exotic materials. Electric motors are dense and heavy. More power = more mass. It would suck for performance (in terms of handling) and for ride quality.




Did you note my comment?

Ay!

BTW, I've always thought that sprung weight was somehow wrong.

I've always thought about looking at the car's body proper as the sprung weight, just as Jim Hall originally mounted the wings on the Chaparral 2E: the wing struts exerted force directly on to the rear suspension uprights (not the body).. hence keeping the wheels on the ground while they softly sprung the body above it.

If you were to put the force down on the wheel, to keep them ON THE GROUND at all times, then you could make the car's suspension reasonably soft.

Why don't automakers do this, at least in their high performance cars? I figure at 60 mph you could generate lots of downforce for the wheels, not the car!


Jim Hall's innovative designs often broke during those races. I did like the car having an automatic transmission and with the third pedal on the left controlling the angle of attack for the highly mounted rear wing. Quickly banned, of course.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-08-2016 05:14
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TonyEX wrote:
JeffX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:


Yikes... you guys are soo 20th century, really, like...

....

Or, inboard motor/brakes with short half shafts.

The four motor/brake assemblies with either a FC or a small serial ICE generator will still weight less than a big honking ICE with AWD transmission!




Yikes. unsprung mass is unsprung mass. On a vehicle with "hub motors" the unsprung mass will be way more than in a traditional vehicle which doesn't have in hub motors, even if you use exotic materials. Electric motors are dense and heavy. More power = more mass. It would suck for performance (in terms of handling) and for ride quality.




Did you note my comment?

Ay!

BTW, I've always thought that sprung weight was somehow wrong.

I've always thought about looking at the car's body proper as the sprung weight, just as Jim Hall originally mounted the wings on the Chaparral 2E: the wing struts exerted force directly on to the rear suspension uprights (not the body).. hence keeping the wheels on the ground while they softly sprung the body above it.

If you were to put the force down on the wheel, to keep them ON THE GROUND at all times, then you could make the car's suspension reasonably soft.

Why don't automakers do this, at least in their high performance cars? I figure at 60 mph you could generate lots of downforce for the wheels, not the car!



Packaging and complexity, mainly. A huge spoiler across the windscreen would obscure the view and upset the anti-Darwin hood legislation.

The rear would be similarly complex, especially with today's mulitple body styles.

I can also see drag being a major issue and the greenies wouldn't like it.

Today's spoilers make air at inconvenient places (leading and trailing edges) a bit more convenient and useful.

Dren
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-08-2016 09:41
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One of Chapman's F1 designs had the suspension very rigid and had a tub around the driver that was sprung. That design didn't fit well with the regulations.
Mikgtir
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2017 18:51
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Nick GravesX wrote:
I did post a technical paper on that some time back; it's not unmanageable, but it's definitely undesirable.

I suppose the time will come when all cars are so big, lumpen and underisable that it won't matter. When an HR-V is the size on an MDX...


Graphen could be the route to follow?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/road-rave-how-graphene-could-revolutionize-automobiles/


To make future cars lighter than they look

PS : Accord Coupe V6 (manual) looks heavier than a 3 series or MB class C, but weights indeed many pounds less than the Germans. Ok, Torque steer... I know, suffering from it with my winter tires... The morons who did not include an LSD stock are nothing but that morons!
I would pay 3 grands to install aftermarket LSD but cannot find any proposed (please help if anyone has a solution?)

sadlerau
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2017 20:41
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Does Acura have an LSD in any of their models? If yes then that should fit in the Accord transaxle?
intune
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2017 22:33
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Mikgtir wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
I did post a technical paper on that some time back; it's not unmanageable, but it's definitely undesirable.

I suppose the time will come when all cars are so big, lumpen and underisable that it won't matter. When an HR-V is the size on an MDX...


Graphen could be the route to follow?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/road-rave-how-graphene-could-revolutionize-automobiles/


To make future cars lighter than they look

PS : Accord Coupe V6 (manual) looks heavier than a 3 series or MB class C, but weights indeed many pounds less than the Germans. Ok, Torque steer... I know, suffering from it with my winter tires... The morons who did not include an LSD stock are nothing but that morons!
I would pay 3 grands to install aftermarket LSD but cannot find any proposed (please help if anyone has a solution?)


Comparing a 2016 Accord 6MT with a 2003 CL 6MT or 2004-2008 TL 6MT, the OEM helical LSD p/n 41200-PYZ-003 should work. The part numbers for the components are the same except for the diff.

2008 TL-S 6MT Diff
2016 Accord 6MT Diff

Nick GravesX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 04:21
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intune wrote:
Mikgtir wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
I did post a technical paper on that some time back; it's not unmanageable, but it's definitely undesirable.

I suppose the time will come when all cars are so big, lumpen and underisable that it won't matter. When an HR-V is the size on an MDX...


Graphen could be the route to follow?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/road-rave-how-graphene-could-revolutionize-automobiles/


To make future cars lighter than they look

PS : Accord Coupe V6 (manual) looks heavier than a 3 series or MB class C, but weights indeed many pounds less than the Germans. Ok, Torque steer... I know, suffering from it with my winter tires... The morons who did not include an LSD stock are nothing but that morons!
I would pay 3 grands to install aftermarket LSD but cannot find any proposed (please help if anyone has a solution?)


Comparing a 2016 Accord 6MT with a 2003 CL 6MT or 2004-2008 TL 6MT, the OEM helical LSD p/n 41200-PYZ-003 should work. The part numbers for the components are the same except for the diff.

2008 TL-S 6MT Diff
2016 Accord 6MT Diff



An LSD won't help with torque steer; that's a corollary of the conflicting steering/suspension arcs due to McP struts and/or wheels of incorrect offset.

DWB (or ATTS!) may be more expensive to fit than an LSD, which would help matters more.

Mikgtir
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 05:02
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Nick GravesX wrote:
intune wrote:
Mikgtir wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
I did post a technical paper on that some time back; it's not unmanageable, but it's definitely undesirable.

I suppose the time will come when all cars are so big, lumpen and underisable that it won't matter. When an HR-V is the size on an MDX...


Graphen could be the route to follow?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/road-rave-how-graphene-could-revolutionize-automobiles/


To make future cars lighter than they look

PS : Accord Coupe V6 (manual) looks heavier than a 3 series or MB class C, but weights indeed many pounds less than the Germans. Ok, Torque steer... I know, suffering from it with my winter tires... The morons who did not include an LSD stock are nothing but that morons!
I would pay 3 grands to install aftermarket LSD but cannot find any proposed (please help if anyone has a solution?)


Comparing a 2016 Accord 6MT with a 2003 CL 6MT or 2004-2008 TL 6MT, the OEM helical LSD p/n 41200-PYZ-003 should work. The part numbers for the components are the same except for the diff.

2008 TL-S 6MT Diff
2016 Accord 6MT Diff



An LSD won't help with torque steer; that's a corollary of the conflicting steering/suspension arcs due to McP struts and/or wheels of incorrect offset.

DWB (or ATTS!) may be more expensive to fit than an LSD, which would help matters more.


Comparing a 2016 Accord 6MT with a 2003 CL 6MT or 2004-2008 TL 6MT, the OEM helical LSD p/n 41200-PYZ-003 should work. The part numbers for the components are the same except for the diff.

2008 TL-S 6MT Diff
2016 Accord 6MT Diff

THANK YOU! WILL deep my nose into it, need thus to import one to Europe, that will be second challenge

Last question , did someone already realised this conversion and are they happy with? Thanks!

Mikgtir
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 05:58
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Mikgtir wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
intune wrote:
Mikgtir wrote:
Nick GravesX wrote:
I did post a technical paper on that some time back; it's not unmanageable, but it's definitely undesirable.

I suppose the time will come when all cars are so big, lumpen and underisable that it won't matter. When an HR-V is the size on an MDX...


Graphen could be the route to follow?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/road-rave-how-graphene-could-revolutionize-automobiles/


To make future cars lighter than they look

PS : Accord Coupe V6 (manual) looks heavier than a 3 series or MB class C, but weights indeed many pounds less than the Germans. Ok, Torque steer... I know, suffering from it with my winter tires... The morons who did not include an LSD stock are nothing but that morons!
I would pay 3 grands to install aftermarket LSD but cannot find any proposed (please help if anyone has a solution?)


Comparing a 2016 Accord 6MT with a 2003 CL 6MT or 2004-2008 TL 6MT, the OEM helical LSD p/n 41200-PYZ-003 should work. The part numbers for the components are the same except for the diff.

2008 TL-S 6MT Diff
2016 Accord 6MT Diff



An LSD won't help with torque steer; that's a corollary of the conflicting steering/suspension arcs due to McP struts and/or wheels of incorrect offset.

DWB (or ATTS!) may be more expensive to fit than an LSD, which would help matters more.


Comparing a 2016 Accord 6MT with a 2003 CL 6MT or 2004-2008 TL 6MT, the OEM helical LSD p/n 41200-PYZ-003 should work. The part numbers for the components are the same except for the diff.

2008 TL-S 6MT Diff
2016 Accord 6MT Diff

THANK YOU! WILL deep my nose into it, need thus to import one to Europe, that will be second challenge

Last question , did someone already realised this conversion and are they happy with? Thanks!


My little present for sport tv fans and much more for my "thanks for the Acura TL diff:

https://www.mobdro.com/

Mikgtir
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Android only (Tablets and phones , Android 4.1 or newer versions)



https://www.mobdro.com/

chavv
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 08:49
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I have no idea how good SH-AWd is.

But I know how shitty AWD in CR-V is.
At least in Eu its limited to 10% of torque transferable to rear wheels

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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 10:45
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chavv wrote:
I have no idea how good SH-AWd is.

But I know how shitty AWD in CR-V is.
At least in Eu its limited to 10% of torque transferable to rear wheels


That doesn't sound right?

It's important to remember the CR-V's system is for traction in adverse weather without the pretense of enhancing dry performance, like SH-AWD is.

Regardless of whatever the stat. is for torque transfer, we had a '10 CR-V that was fantastic in the snow despite a relatively low torque transfer and being a reactive system. Like all things, you're not necessarily in a good position to judge based on stats. alone.

I believe the newer versions of RT AWD, beginning with the '12 CR-V have proactive rear torque transfer (upon acceleration) instead of the reactionary slip-to-grip system that preceded it.

Restless
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 16:21
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pre facelift 4th gen CR-V had good AWD after software update
After the facelift, the system "lost" this enhancement
Without ability to pre-lock & control and low torque ability the car feels helpless in even very light "offroad" ( Honda EU claimed 10% max - for reliability reasons, no less!)

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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 17:24
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chavv wrote:
I have no idea how good SH-AWd is.

But I know how shitty AWD in CR-V is.
At least in Eu its limited to 10% of torque transferable to rear wheels


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwlVamB6Zek&feature=youtu.be

Hondatalover
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2017 17:26
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TonyEX
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Re: Honda's AWD vs SH-AWD    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2017 14:33
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chavv wrote:
I have no idea how good SH-AWd is.

But I know how shitty AWD in CR-V is.
At least in Eu its limited to 10% of torque transferable to rear wheels



(1) You got to experience SH-AWD in a turn with the display set to show the torque distribution (*). Going in the turn, you will see little torque as you slow down, then going into the turn, you must accelerate to provide torque which will migrate to the outside rear tire... ALL torque to that ONE tire. The front end then is free to bite into the turn... As you exist the turn, the torque will start to distribute to the front and finally you'll see torque on all four tires. No understeering!

(2) I've had two CRVs AWD ('09, '11)... I drove one on the snow. Had no problems, but I was neither offroad nor trying to be a hero.

(*) Warning, torque distribution kicks in when you are going fast and/or a tight turn. So better keep one eye at all times on the road and maybe just glance at the display.... DO NOT take your eyes off the road because you will need to DRIVE the car. OTOH, if you're just cruising... you'll never see SH-AWD kick in.

Unless, of course, you are driving on ice or wet cobblestones.


 
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