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longhorn
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Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2016 11:41
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Why buy a Honda Accord Hybrid over a Clarity hybrid? Especially when the Accord will change body styles next year?
JeffX
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2016 12:24
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longhorn wrote:
Why buy a Honda Accord Hybrid over a Clarity hybrid? Especially when the Accord will change body styles next year?


If you want PHEV, you have to get the Clarity. If you want regular hybrid, then Accord is there.

Potenza
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2016 15:32
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Sounds like it's going to steal a little thunder from the Hydrogen image, though. A bit surprised Honda would "water down" this nameplate.

Now it's no longer a dedicated fuel cell vehicle, and when you see a Clarity on the road it will most likely be one with a gasoline engine on board.

Previously we only saw pictures of the Clarity fueling up at solar-powered hydrogen stations. Now we'll see them pumping gas beside us at the Mobil station.

Not saying it's all bad. Like Honda says, they're leveraging the platform. And we'll actually see them on the road, versus only on the website. Merely a thought.

Lucien
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2016 16:12
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Fuel cell it's such super low volume I guess doesn't matter much for Honda. I'm more surprised they use this design as is for PHEV since it's more polarizing. Wouldn't be surprised if this is another low volume model.

There will be for sure big price difference between Hybrid and PHEV. So that answers partially that question... Some money you can recoup but body style is also now different.

Waldo
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2016 23:24
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Potenza wrote:
Sounds like it's going to steal a little thunder from the Hydrogen image, though. A bit surprised Honda would "water down" this nameplate.

Now it's no longer a dedicated fuel cell vehicle, and when you see a Clarity on the road it will most likely be one with a gasoline engine on board.

Previously we only saw pictures of the Clarity fueling up at solar-powered hydrogen stations. Now we'll see them pumping gas beside us at the Mobil station.

Not saying it's all bad. Like Honda says, they're leveraging the platform. And we'll actually see them on the road, versus only on the website. Merely a thought.

Honda is being realistic. Hydrogen is a long way off before it becomes available in any quantity and sufficient locations. Still, it is California and lease only. Very limited market.

Dren
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-22-2016 07:24
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I think this does the opposite, it will grow the Clarity brand. If you want a 'green' car, buy the Clarity. You have 'green' propulsion options.
JeffX
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-22-2016 15:17
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Lucien wrote:
Fuel cell it's such super low volume I guess doesn't matter much for Honda. I'm more surprised they use this design as is for PHEV since it's more polarizing. Wouldn't be surprised if this is another low volume model.

There will be for sure big price difference between Hybrid and PHEV. So that answers partially that question... Some money you can recoup but body style is also now different.




Actually it looks like there's starting to be a decent network of Fuel Cell filling locations in California, where they'll be selling these FC Clarities. I received this press release this AM.


TRUE ZERO Opens the LARGEST Hydrogen NETWORK in the World with Unprecedented Speed



When phase one of the True Zero Network is complete, the CO2 reductions could be equivalent to planting a forest nearly the size of San Francisco

IRVINE, Calif., April 22, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Significantly larger numbers of electric fuel-cell cars will go on sale in California this year following decades of hard work by thousands of automotive engineers, policymakers, and government-agency personnel. The simultaneous launch of the True Zero (http://www.truezero.com) Network, a series of hydrogen-charge stations being established by start-up FirstElement Fuel Inc. (http://www.firstelementfuel.com), will help eliminate the major roadblock facing these types of cars: anxiety over finding a reliable place to charge.



"In the past the lack of a fueling network kept fuel-cell vehicles off the road, and has been hampering activity in recent years," explained Joel Ewanick, chief executive officer of Irvine-based FirstElement Fuel. "Soon, a short stop for a four-minute charge of True Zero hydrogen will enable drivers of all-electric fuel-cell cars to confidently get to their destination without the worry of range anxiety."

The first 15 True Zero stations (photos at http://www.truezero.com/images/) were brought online at an unprecedented speed and scale throughout Silicon Valley, the greater Los Angeles area, Lake Tahoe area, and Harris Ranch in the San Joaquin Valley. An additional four stations are expected to be online by year's end. The projects are being funded in large part by grants from the California Energy Commission, South Coast AQMD and Bay Area AQMD, as well as partnerships with automotive firms Toyota and Honda who are first to market with fuel-cell electric vehicles. This network gives confidence to the hydrogen community that the industry can quickly bring on line the required stations to meet the demand and timing of the OEM's.

"We owe a special thanks to the State of California and to the automakers committed to fuel-cell vehicles for their persistence and support," said Ewanick. "It goes well beyond the financial assistance; the technical assistance has also been critical. We knew building out this network was going to be challenging. Having completed 15 stations in 18 months is an unprecedented achievement."

True Zero represents the world's largest network of hydrogen-charge ports ready for retail consumers. Customers are now able to charge their vehicles at stations throughout California.

"These 15 stations are on the verge of being open for the first wave of hydrogen-electric vehicle customers," said Ewanick. "Even though we are achieving 99 percent uptime – we strive to perfect the stations – we don't want to leave anyone stranded. As with any new technology we continue to work through glitches surrounding the launch of a product that is cutting-edge. Opening a True Zero charging station is not the finish line, it's the starting line. It's all about the customer experience and 100 percent reliability."

This generation of electric vehicles powered by fuel cells will be able to travel more than 300 miles on a single charge and a "fill up" of True Zero will take four minutes or less. "So customers will be able to drive an electric fuel cell car seamlessly throughout California, through the San Joaquin Valley and out to Lake Tahoe, just like they drive a gasoline, car thanks to the True Zero Network," added Ewanick.

The brand name True Zero speaks to the benefit that fuel cell vehicles will achieve.

"True Zero symbolizes the ultimate goal – a vehicle fuel with zero pollution, zero use of fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases in both its production and use," explained Ewanick. "It's about the drive towards zero emissions from well to wheels; towards zero impact on the environment from a motor vehicle."

As a fuel, hydrogen is similar to electricity in that it is produced from a variety of sources. In California one third of the hydrogen produced today comes from renewable sources, with the remaining two thirds incorporating natural gas and water. An electric vehicle powered by hydrogen uses its fuel cell to convert the hydrogen into electricity to run the motor. The only emission coming from the vehicle is water.

Once its 19 initial charging ports are completed, it is estimated the True Zero Network will have the capacity to replace 2.5 million gallons of gasoline with domestically sourced hydrogen and reduce CO2 emissions by 34 million pounds each year,* or the equivalent to planting a forest nearly the size of San Francisco.

* Well-to-Wheels Greenhouse Gas Emissions of Advanced and Conventional Vehicle Drive Trains and Fuel Production Strategies, Advanced Power and Energy Program, University of California, Irvine. August 2014. [http://www.apep.uci.edu/3/ResearchSummaries/pdf/SustainableTransportation/WTW_vehicle_greenhouse_gases_Public.pdf]

Photo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20160422/358798


HONDA AFVM
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Re: Clarity going to compete with Honda Accord Hybrid? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-23-2016 17:28
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Dren wrote:
I think this does the opposite, it will grow the Clarity brand. If you want a 'green' car, buy the Clarity. You have 'green' propulsion options.

Dren, you have it right. The overall cost will come down and it will allow Honda to focus on the inevitable...... A Clarity SUV....... PERSONALLY. ...... one of them will be my next car.


 
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