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JP
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6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 13:40
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No 7k anymore?
mckillio
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 13:55
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Sounds about right since it's a base engine and it's now turbo'd and has a long stroke.
Dren
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 14:09
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mckillio wrote:
Sounds about right since it's a base engine and it's now turbo'd and has a long stroke.


Where does it say it has a long stroke?

Dren
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 14:11
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JP wrote:
No 7k anymore?


This is a base turbo engine, it's not going to be tuned for higher RPMs. It looks to have a very fat and flat torque curve. It is similar to the 3 cylinder turbo's power curve in the kei cars. The S660 is supposed to have a more linear, sportier power curve, so I'd expect that if/when Honda uses this 1.5t in their sporty cars, it'll have a similar power curve.

superchg2
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 14:27
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betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.
Dren
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 14:31
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superchg2 wrote:
betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.


I've been saying the same thing. I bet the next Si is lighter with a similar powered motor.

Torque
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 15:32
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superchg2 wrote:
betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.


Have some faith. It is going to have 202 ponies. One extra.

"Introducing the most powerful Si ever"

JeffX
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 15:39
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Torque wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.


Have some faith. It is going to have 202 ponies. One extra.

"Introducing the most powerful Si ever"



The 2015 Si already has 205hp.

iutodd
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 16:11
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Dren wrote:
mckillio wrote:
Sounds about right since it's a base engine and it's now turbo'd and has a long stroke.


Where does it say it has a long stroke?



If it really is a reincarnation of the A Engine then according to Wikipedia the A 1.6L had a bore of 80 mm and a stroke of 79.5. So almost exactly square - just like the K20. What I understand about engines is pretty basic but from my understanding a square or slightly under square (as the A1.6 technically was) engine is better suited for high RPM peak power.

I have no idea how or if it would work but a 1.5 turbo that revs to 7500 with torque all the way across and peak power not hitting until 6500+ revs sounds pretty good right?

JeffX
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 16:36
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iutodd wrote:
Dren wrote:
mckillio wrote:
Sounds about right since it's a base engine and it's now turbo'd and has a long stroke.


Where does it say it has a long stroke?



If it really is a reincarnation of the A Engine then according to Wikipedia the A 1.6L had a bore of 80 mm and a stroke of 79.5. So almost exactly square - just like the K20. What I understand about engines is pretty basic but from my understanding a square or slightly under square (as the A1.6 technically was) engine is better suited for high RPM peak power.

I have no idea how or if it would work but a 1.5 turbo that revs to 7500 with torque all the way across and peak power not hitting until 6500+ revs sounds pretty good right?



Just because it's reportedly reusing the A-series nomenclature doesn't mean it's a reincarnation of the actual hardware. Beyond a shared bore spacing, the f-series in the S2000 had virtually nothing to do with the f-series that was found in older accord and prelude models.

What you describe does sound pretty good but I don't think that's what we're going to be getting. I think we're going to be getting something that uses similar geometry to the L15, with a beefed up block and bottom end. I hope I'm wrong.

Torque
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 16:51
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JeffX wrote:
Torque wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.


Have some faith. It is going to have 202 ponies. One extra.

"Introducing the most powerful Si ever"



The 2015 Si already has 205hp.



I should have put that I was just kidding with that. But still, the Si needs to step up the game some. I hope we don't just get another tiny incremental increase.

superchg2
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 17:13
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JeffX wrote:
Torque wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.


Have some faith. It is going to have 202 ponies. One extra.

"Introducing the most powerful Si ever"



The 2015 Si already has 205hp.


Let us not forget about the Type R, with the 2.0T / 295hp to fill out the new Civic line up. And if Honda neglects to bring us this model, it's probably time to look at the AWD Focus RS, anyways.
:)




iutodd
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 19:31
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JeffX wrote:
Just because it's reportedly reusing the A-series nomenclature doesn't mean it's a reincarnation of the actual hardware. Beyond a shared bore spacing, the f-series in the S2000 had virtually nothing to do with the f-series that was found in older accord and prelude models.

What you describe does sound pretty good but I don't think that's what we're going to be getting. I think we're going to be getting something that uses similar geometry to the L15, with a beefed up block and bottom end. I hope I'm wrong.


I know and thanks for the info about the other blocks...again I am not very knowledgable about engines. I'm just curious as to why they would use it (if indeed they are using it) when they have however many other letters to choose from.

TonyEX
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 21:02
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JeffX wrote:
iutodd wrote:
Dren wrote:
mckillio wrote:
Sounds about right since it's a base engine and it's now turbo'd and has a long stroke.


Where does it say it has a long stroke?



If it really is a reincarnation of the A Engine then according to Wikipedia the A 1.6L had a bore of 80 mm and a stroke of 79.5. So almost exactly square - just like the K20. What I understand about engines is pretty basic but from my understanding a square or slightly under square (as the A1.6 technically was) engine is better suited for high RPM peak power.

I have no idea how or if it would work but a 1.5 turbo that revs to 7500 with torque all the way across and peak power not hitting until 6500+ revs sounds pretty good right?



Just because it's reportedly reusing the A-series nomenclature doesn't mean it's a reincarnation of the actual hardware. Beyond a shared bore spacing, the f-series in the S2000 had virtually nothing to do with the f-series that was found in older accord and prelude models.

What you describe does sound pretty good but I don't think that's what we're going to be getting. I think we're going to be getting something that uses similar geometry to the L15, with a beefed up block and bottom end. I hope I'm wrong.



You don't mean to say that someday we'll find the K24'd Si to be a fun weekend car?

TonyEX
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 21:04
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superchg2 wrote:
JeffX wrote:
Torque wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
betcha the next Si will get the 201 horse.


Have some faith. It is going to have 202 ponies. One extra.

"Introducing the most powerful Si ever"



The 2015 Si already has 205hp.


Let us not forget about the Type R, with the 2.0T / 295hp to fill out the new Civic line up. And if Honda neglects to bring us this model, it's probably time to look at the AWD Focus RS, anyways.
:)






The thing is that the Focus is tiny compared to the Civic.

You can actually carry four grown ups in the Civic.

crx-man
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2015 23:16
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I guess in a hot hatch, the most important thing is the trunk capacity.

If any car segment is designed for and mostly bought by people who frequently carry 4 passengers, then that's hot hatch class, oh yeah.

TonyEX
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Re: 6000 RPM for the fuel cut-off? [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-26-2015 15:02
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crx-man wrote:
I guess in a hot hatch, the most important thing is the trunk capacity.

If any car segment is designed for and mostly bought by people who frequently carry 4 passengers, then that's hot hatch class, oh yeah.



My point is that a five door hatch with a cramped back seat is useless and compromised. Might as well do a three door ( like the old Civics -even though their back seats were useful) and avoid all the extra weight and cost.

Or do a CRX like job!


 
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