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RolledaNsx
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For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-17-2014 19:15
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So it isn't vaporware! :)


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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-17-2014 23:08
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RolledaNsx wrote:
So it isn't vaporware! :)




For which we are truly grateful!!

Then again, you can hardly blame the doubters for their doubts after Honda's recent track history. :(

HONDA AFVM
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-17-2014 23:28
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sadlerau wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
So it isn't vaporware! :)




For which we are truly grateful!!

Then again, you can hardly blame the doubters for their doubts after Honda's recent track history. :(


So, how do you think it will sell against a German "LIKE" R8???? I sure hope it crushes them, cause if I had the coin, it would be the 1st exotic in my stable.....

sadlerau
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 01:33
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
So, how do you think it will sell against a German "LIKE" R8???? I sure hope it crushes them, cause if I had the coin, it would be the 1st exotic in my stable.....


After the initial flush of "must have" sales it will do no better than the last model, UNLESS Honda does something to improve it's cachet [be that Honda or Acura].

A good first step is to start wining again in F1 [no small feat]. But of equal importance, and something Honda failed to do last time, is to race the NSX itself! And not just in Japan, but world wide.

As for the R8, I've never been enamoured by it, it reminds me too much of the TT :) I'd rather have a Lambo Huracan for looks.

But if the boys over there can capture the essence of the NSX v1, give it a dose of hybrid/turbo performance, I'll take the Honda/Acura every time [if I could afford it]. :)

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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 01:37
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
sadlerau wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
So it isn't vaporware! :)




For which we are truly grateful!!

Then again, you can hardly blame the doubters for their doubts after Honda's recent track history. :(


So, how do you think it will sell against a German "LIKE" R8???? I sure hope it crushes them, cause if I had the coin, it would be the 1st exotic in my stable.....



First off the NSX has something the R8 doesn't.......HISTORY.
The real sports car drivers in the World want it,only the posers who are not true sports car drivers talk shit about it.
(also the Corvette owners...it's an American good-o-boy thing)

Kinda weird stating that an Acura/Honda has history with a model but with the NSX they do and it is a great history(Ferrari and Porsche like).The funny thing it's the NSX brand name that has the history.(Honda most likely hates that because that is the reason they got rid of the Legend name in America)

sadlerau
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 02:02
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RolledaNsx wrote:
First off the NSX has something the R8 doesn't.......HISTORY.
The real sports car drivers in the World want it,only the posers who are not true sports car drivers talk shit about it.
(also the Corvette owners...it's an American good-o-boy thing)

Kinda weird stating that an Acura/Honda has history with a model but with the NSX they do and it is a great history(Ferrari and Porsche like).The funny thing it's the NSX brand name that has the history.(Honda most likely hates that because that is the reason they got rid of the Legend name in America)



I don't entirely agree Rolled, the NSX has history, of sorts, but only for the select few, not broad spectrum like Porsche, let alone Ferrari. It will take decades of sustained success in GT style motorsports just to catch up to the newer marques racing, such as Lamborghini/Audi, Mercedes/BMW, McLaren even Nissan with the GTR.

Of course ongoing success in F1 will hasten the appeal, but only if Honda can keep the NSX fresh.

RolledaNsx
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 02:10
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sadlerau wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
First off the NSX has something the R8 doesn't.......HISTORY.
The real sports car drivers in the World want it,only the posers who are not true sports car drivers talk shit about it.
(also the Corvette owners...it's an American good-o-boy thing)

Kinda weird stating that an Acura/Honda has history with a model but with the NSX they do and it is a great history(Ferrari and Porsche like).The funny thing it's the NSX brand name that has the history.(Honda most likely hates that because that is the reason they got rid of the Legend name in America)



I don't entirely agree Rolled, the NSX has history, of sorts, but only for the select few, not broad spectrum like Porsche, let alone Ferrari. It will take decades of sustained success in GT style motorsports just to catch up to the newer marques racing, such as Lamborghini/Audi, Mercedes/BMW, McLaren even Nissan with the GTR.

Of course ongoing success in F1 will hasten the appeal, but only if Honda can keep the NSX fresh.



Anybody who is anybody in the Auto World puts the NSX as number 1(top 10 of any sports car made in history for being a drivers car).It doesn't have the numbers on paper but once your behind the wheel,you find heaven.

When you have the Top Gear Blokes loving it that means something because they hate everything non-British except the elite brands.

sadlerau
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 02:26
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RolledaNsx wrote:

Anybody who is anybody in the Auto World puts the NSX as number 1(top 10 of any sports car made in history for being a drivers car).It doesn't have the numbers on paper but once your behind the wheel,you find heaven.

When you have the Top Gear Blokes loving it that means something because they hate everything non-British except the elite brands.



Methinks your rose coloured glasses are a darker shade than even mine Rolled! :)

While I'll acknowledge Clarkson has a soft spot for the NSX, I'm always reminded of Hamster's idiotic assessment of the 2004 NSX-R.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/1840844475

Nick GravesX
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 06:15
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TG IS largely aimed at the pub bore/brainless bell end market, as opposed to motoring connoisseurs.

Interesting debate though. I think the NSX is on its way to having history, as the worldwide interest in the new cars shows.

But yes, the badge-obsessed bell ends will continue to ignore it. It would certainly help if Honda could stop sticking made up brands on some of them. Which is how they gave themselves their problem with NSX & Legend recognition in the first place...

I think the R8 does seem so be in the converse (not that it's not a fine car) and has a certain Real Estate Agent stigma to it.

Honda's promised that its learned its lesson & won't let this one wither & die like the last one. We'll see. But presuming bona fide they can slowly build up a stronger image.

It's more difficult to do that when one is a general manufacturer, rather than specialising in exotic cars: I can only think of Lamborghini (tractors and central heating) but they've never made B-segment hatchbacks.

What Honda (forget all this Acura bollocks - might as well make up another one like Li Nian or Fuksuwanki or something) might be better doing is re-setting the clock to a time when they can leverage the NSX to other (affordable) models in their portfolio - like the CTR, Prelude TR, Sx000 TR. Indeed, rumour suggests that's precisely what they intend to do; press the re-set button.

Or possibly further down the road launch them under the NSX banner (sort of like Land/Range Rover /LR/RRSport type thang) - albeit they'll have to be careful not to sully the NSX name by being cynical.

Meanwhile, the cognoscenti will be again left (hopefully) with a truly great, rare car, which avoids the brand stigma associated with many of the true grande marques. Some of my associates say they sometimes feel rather embarrassed/self-concious driving round in their Ferraris and the German marques do sometimes attract much negative attention from losers.

You meet the nicest people (in) a Honda...

Maximania
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 13:37
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Nick GravesX wrote:
TG IS largely aimed at the pub bore/brainless bell end market, as opposed to motoring connoisseurs.

Interesting debate though. I think the NSX is on its way to having history, as the worldwide interest in the new cars shows.

But yes, the badge-obsessed bell ends will continue to ignore it. It would certainly help if Honda could stop sticking made up brands on some of them. Which is how they gave themselves their problem with NSX & Legend recognition in the first place...

I think the R8 does seem so be in the converse (not that it's not a fine car) and has a certain Real Estate Agent stigma to it.

Honda's promised that its learned its lesson & won't let this one wither & die like the last one. We'll see. But presuming bona fide they can slowly build up a stronger image.

It's more difficult to do that when one is a general manufacturer, rather than specialising in exotic cars: I can only think of Lamborghini (tractors and central heating) but they've never made B-segment hatchbacks.

What Honda (forget all this Acura bollocks - might as well make up another one like Li Nian or Fuksuwanki or something) might be better doing is re-setting the clock to a time when they can leverage the NSX to other (affordable) models in their portfolio - like the CTR, Prelude TR, Sx000 TR. Indeed, rumour suggests that's precisely what they intend to do; press the re-set button.

Or possibly further down the road launch them under the NSX banner (sort of like Land/Range Rover /LR/RRSport type thang) - albeit they'll have to be careful not to sully the NSX name by being cynical.

Meanwhile, the cognoscenti will be again left (hopefully) with a truly great, rare car, which avoids the brand stigma associated with many of the true grande marques. Some of my associates say they sometimes feel rather embarrassed/self-concious driving round in their Ferraris and the German marques do sometimes attract much negative attention from losers.

You meet the nicest people (in) a Honda...



Uhh...not where I'm from

Popeyes2k
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 17:55
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Championship white with red/black interior please, yes I want one !!!
9000rpm
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 19:28
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Come on Rolled. Spit it out.

Did they make their sub 7 minute target 'ring time?

I've got some mates in finance whom I have to convince this is a better use of their annual bonus than the usual Porsche/Ferrari/euro suspects.

qingcong
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 19:57
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I hope this thing is a legit 600+hp sub 3.3sec, 7min nurburgring, GTR/458 fighting supercar. The previous NSX was great, but it lacked the big numbers. By 2005 that 300hp number was obtainable in a 35k sedan. It never quite had that exotic supercar quality to it. I think this one will finally achieve that.
FiSH-Chan
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-18-2014 22:04
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sadlerau wrote:
While I'll acknowledge Clarkson has a soft spot for the NSX, I'm always reminded of Hamster's idiotic assessment of the 2004 NSX-R.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/1840844475



IMO Clarkskon is the real petrol head, the other two are TV personalites, one lieks Porsche the other likes Panda... I still like watching them, but Hamster and Captain Slow I never take seriously what they say when it come to cars.

Hamster should never have review the NSX

Great_Tubimi
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 07:46
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It's never too late to cancel.
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 15:33
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Considering Hypercars like the Porsche 918 hit 6:57 on the Ring. It is a very very tall order and unlikely for Mr. NSX to hit that magical sub 7:00 time. It is a nice target for Honda engineers to chase after. Perhaps Honda can outdo the 7:08 lap time of the GTR Nismo edition.

Type R variants can get closer. Nevertheless, it is a good target.






CarPhreakD
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 16:15
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I don't know why you guys are saying 7 minutes. It can possibly get into the low teens. If the AWD system is all that it's cracked up to be, it might be able to match the ACR Viper (which is all power and downforce, essentially a kitcar on crack). To beat the 918 takes another level of engineering. If they do it, prepare for the car world to melt down.

Great_Tubimi wrote:
It's never too late to cancel.


Sure... just depends on how much money you're willing to throw away!

qingcong
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 20:05
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I don't know why you guys are saying 7 minutes.





Not 7 minutes literally, more like 7 minutes +/- 15 seconds.

Nick GravesX
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 20:17
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qingcong wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
I don't know why you guys are saying 7 minutes.





Not 7 minutes literally, more like 7 minutes +/- 15 seconds.



Rolled said the secret plan was to get pretty damned close - for a fraction of the asking price. And still user-friendly.

That will be the NSX's cachet.

The old NSX-R was still pretty damned fast round a track, with merely a riced old Legend lump...

owequitit
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 22:06
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Nick GravesX wrote:
TG IS largely aimed at the pub bore/brainless bell end market, as opposed to motoring connoisseurs.

Interesting debate though. I think the NSX is on its way to having history, as the worldwide interest in the new cars shows.

But yes, the badge-obsessed bell ends will continue to ignore it. It would certainly help if Honda could stop sticking made up brands on some of them. Which is how they gave themselves their problem with NSX & Legend recognition in the first place...

I think the R8 does seem so be in the converse (not that it's not a fine car) and has a certain Real Estate Agent stigma to it.

Honda's promised that its learned its lesson & won't let this one wither & die like the last one. We'll see. But presuming bona fide they can slowly build up a stronger image.

It's more difficult to do that when one is a general manufacturer, rather than specialising in exotic cars: I can only think of Lamborghini (tractors and central heating) but they've never made B-segment hatchbacks.

What Honda (forget all this Acura bollocks - might as well make up another one like Li Nian or Fuksuwanki or something) might be better doing is re-setting the clock to a time when they can leverage the NSX to other (affordable) models in their portfolio - like the CTR, Prelude TR, Sx000 TR. Indeed, rumour suggests that's precisely what they intend to do; press the re-set button.

Or possibly further down the road launch them under the NSX banner (sort of like Land/Range Rover /LR/RRSport type thang) - albeit they'll have to be careful not to sully the NSX name by being cynical.

Meanwhile, the cognoscenti will be again left (hopefully) with a truly great, rare car, which avoids the brand stigma associated with many of the true grande marques. Some of my associates say they sometimes feel rather embarrassed/self-concious driving round in their Ferraris and the German marques do sometimes attract much negative attention from losers.

You meet the nicest people (in) a Honda...



I think you hit the biggest key point. They need to NOT let it rot on the vine. It was competitive (even on paper) for the first 4 or 5 years. For the next 10? Not so much (even though it was effective in reality).

Also, I agree that they need to race the thing. Luckily, there are several series worldwide that would be an effective venue for the car that wouldn't crush the bank spending like F1. Acura needs to do that.

I also find it interesting the sort of renaissance that the NSX has gone through the last few years. Almost like now that it isn't judged by the 90's merits of a prancing horse badge, people are willing to look at it for what it really is, an amazing car. I don't know if that is because of Honda's intent to return it to production, or just because people finally acknowledge what a achievement it was.

I also would assert that the NSX has the same standing amongst Honda enthusiasts as the GTR does amongst Nissan heads. Outside of those two circles, more people evaluate fairly objectively (I don't like the GTR at all for instance and would rather spend my money on a C7).

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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 22:41
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qingcong wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
I don't know why you guys are saying 7 minutes.





Not 7 minutes literally, more like 7 minutes +/- 15 seconds.



I think the target is credible. Honda's engineers are as good as any in the world. If they were given a target of 7 minutes and the near unlimited budget they (reputably) have I think the target is achievable.

Afterall, the GTR with its highly modified VQ engine, gets damn close to the 7 minute mark. The new NSX enjoys several huge advantages over the GTR

1. It will cost a lot more than the GTR

2. Its got a clean sheet design and isn't based on any other platform unlike the GTR which is just a highly modified FR Nissan platform

3. Its engine is a complete clean sheet design (I wonder how the engineers got that money out of management). The GTR is running a highly modified VQ engine.

4. Its lighter than the GTR

5. Its using technology 7 years newer. Turbo and DI technology in particular have seen huge gains.

6. Compared to the Porsche 918 its hybrid system is dedicated to achieving maximum speed. There is no pretense of giving it a (heavy) range extending/fuel economy/plug in mode.


All up I'd be pretty disappointed if the Honda engineers didn't make a car significantly quicker than the R35 GTR with the inherent advantages enjoyed by the NSX.

I'm fully expecting a time very close, if not under, the 7 minute mark. If it doesn't go close to this target time I think it'll just be Honda doing a bit of brand engineering to make the inevitable hard core Type R look even more awesome-er.

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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-19-2014 23:51
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RolledaNsx wrote:
So it isn't vaporware! :)





I was just thinkin'


YOU might want to reconsider your username... something like LoveaNSX, DriveaNSX, you know?

There's no way that you're going to get a free ride on an NSX when your user name is RolledaNsx ;-)

Nick GravesX
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-20-2014 05:21
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Owe say

...I don't know if that is because of Honda's intent to return it to production, or just because people finally acknowledge what a achievement it was.

I think it's a lot of both; Honda's quasi-accidental decision not to make a Godzilla crossed with a 'Vette (nor the very lukewarm HSC) and revert to the spirit of the original was a very good one.

There has been a lot of revisionist history by the hacks (especially here) who pooh-poohed the original as a bland Jap Crap Ferrari lip-off to admit in retrospect just how revolutionary and well-engineered was the original. Almost like they've been doing Honda's bidding for the past few years, in order to create the mythos.

I don't think it's anywhere near as over-worshipped as a 911, but it's sort of getting close.

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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-20-2014 09:09
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I don't give a rat's a$$ how fast it is around the "ring" since I will never drive the "ring".

I want one

'nuff said

Besides, who here has ever been on Nordschleife with their personal car ?

RolledaNsx
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-20-2014 10:50
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Popeyes2k wrote:
I don't give a rat's a$$ how fast it is around the "ring" since I will never drive the "ring".

I want one

'nuff said

Besides, who here has ever been on Nordschleife with their personal car ?



More than you think...the Ring is like going to Disneyland now.

sadlerau
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-20-2014 11:57
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Popeyes2k wrote:
I don't give a rat's a$$ how fast it is around the "ring" since I will never drive the "ring".

I want one

'nuff said

Besides, who here has ever been on Nordschleife with their personal car ?



More than you think...the Ring is like going to Disneyland now.



Does doing the 'Ring in your leased "holiday" vehicle count as my "personal car"? :)

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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-20-2014 15:39
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I wouldn't say i saw much hate. It seemed to be mostly disappointment and discouragement. Honda has been relying on their name and reputation too much lately which led to a current crop of mediocre cars in their lineup. Only vehicle that excels in my opinion is the Odyssey Minivan, Fit Hatchback, and Accord Hybrid (but not the other Accords).
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Re: For you haters,it is too late to cancel now! [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-22-2014 10:41
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Actually the Ring is NOT like Disneyland, not any more.

Ever since the Ring went into administration and came out with a new owner (who is... Russian), they have basically dumped the idea of "Nur-Disney". The fucking rollercoaster that was there is being dismantled and shipped off elsewhere, though I think at the moment the (typically empty) "boutique" shops are still there.

If you really want to experience Germany/Nurburgring, there's tons of hospitality to be found in the surrounding guest houses, and there's nothing like filling up on mediocre french fries at Devil's Diner between sessions as you're waiting for the cleanup crew to pick up pieces of BMW 3-series off the circuit from an overeager Brit.

Tons of people bring their personal cars to the Ring, but for foreigners like me, you can rent a car from places like Rent4Ring. Be prepared though, because a few laps around the Nurburgring can rapidly age a supercar, as reality dictates that they are extremely finicky and not conducive to longevity over long laps.


 
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