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TSX69
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AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 07:20
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Acura TLX: The Storm Before the Calm
Once the TLX sedan is introduced this fall -- replacing both the TL and TSX in the lineup -- Acura will be in a product-launch lull.

All its volume products will have been launched in the last 3 years, so other than the upcoming NSX supercar, the brand will be carrying over existing product for several more years.

Of course, there will be midcycle changes, which could include installation of new nine- and eight-speed transmission technologies, but the sheet metal is going to remain relatively the same across the lineup for several years.

Acura also is studying bringing some sporting flair back to the rest of the lineup with the Type S designation, but how it plans to increase its vehicles' performance is being determined.


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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 08:09
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So according to this article and timeline neither the ILX nor the RLX will be getting an MMC and there is no coupe or small SUV coming.

This year has been interesting for Acura but if this is the "storm" then I'm not looking forward to the "calm". And this article seems to go against the rumors we've been hearing that Acura is working on a lot of stuff behind the scenes.

Chris David
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 09:10
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I think we've heard that Acura is working on a lot of ideas for rejuvenating the brand, but not actual products beyond the TLX and NSX. We're still at least a couple of years away from a new car even if Acura decided to grow a pair today.
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 09:57
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iutodd wrote:
So according to this article and timeline neither the ILX nor the RLX will be getting an MMC and there is no coupe or small SUV coming.

This year has been interesting for Acura but if this is the "storm" then I'm not looking forward to the "calm". And this article seems to go against the rumors we've been hearing that Acura is working on a lot of stuff behind the scenes.



Acura has already stated the 2016 ILX will get an MMC which includes new drivetrains. More proof of that is the fact ILX production will be moved to Marysville so it can receive the 2.4/8DCT combo from the base TLX. I'm sure additional styling tweaks and upgraded feature content is a part of that.

I'm betting the RLX will get a pretty significant MMC also including the 9AT from the V6 TLX, styling tweaks and additional feature content. Acura can't afford to sit still.

CarPhreakD
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 10:07
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The Type-S branding (and milder A-spec kits) have been broadly mismanaged by Acura. Here was a chance for Acura to start a performance sub-brand that they could have grown into a profitable, low volume division; at the very least something that reflects the "S" and "S-line" models from Audi. But instead the badge went away when Acura tried to get rid of their enthusiast base.
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 10:31
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CarPhreakD wrote:
The Type-S branding (and milder A-spec kits) have been broadly mismanaged by Acura. Here was a chance for Acura to start a performance sub-brand that they could have grown into a profitable, low volume division; at the very least something that reflects the "S" and "S-line" models from Audi. But instead the badge went away when Acura tried to get rid of their enthusiast base.


I wonder how the rumored bigger tie ins with HPD and factory direct performance stuff from Honda will work with Acura. The assumption seems to be that the next-gen Civic will have factory direct HPD stuff available in Si/Si-R/Si-HPD form. I wonder if Acura will have their own arm of HPD (APD?) to do factory direct stuff now or if they will have something totally different. Hopefully they use HPD as the HPD CR-Z seemed pretty good and HPD has a lot of experience - maybe a further tie-in with Real Time racing or something. I do hope they bring back the A-spec and Type-S nomenclature though. That Sport Hybrid stuff doesn't work for me.

Brutus
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 11:57
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Most interesting and further confirmation of the re-emergence of the Type S:
"Acura also is studying bringing some sporting flair back to the rest of the lineup with the Type S designation, but how it plans to increase its vehicles' performance is being determined."

This article basically confirms Acura is putting all of its eggs in the TLX basket.

Where is the talk of the Baby crossover under the RDX a la HR-V.

Having 3 sedans and 2 suvs is not exactly a great portfolio, especially when looking at the RLX which sells in paltry numbers. Acura needs more product!
Another crossover under RDX
Other variants of their cars things like, coupe (like Audi A5), convertible, wagon, heck performance minivan.

The problem they have is that if you have such a small number of options and a couple of the options are not successful it really makes it more painful.

I see this:
RDX/MDX/TLX successful.
RLX/ILX underperform.

That is what 40% of your products.. not good. The fact is not every product they produce will be huge hits, thus massive pressure to not make a mistake not take risks is there, and this effects how you design said product.... pressure is good but too much is not.

B.

Note left out the NSX, that is a Halo product.

CarPhreakD
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 12:03
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Or, Acura could stop screwing up and start building the cars that we know they're capable of?

Chasing random niches when your volume sellers pale in comparison to the competition seems like a terrible strategy to me. Witness Honda's failed attempts with past IMA vehicles; not to mention weird one-offs like the Acura ZDX which made NO impact to their brand image at all.

Acura already has an ADHD problem when talking about their product planning and marketing, there's a distinct lack of focus and mismanagement of the brand over the years.

Nick GravesX
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 13:02
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Brutus wrote:
Most interesting and further confirmation of the re-emergence of the Type S:
"Acura also is studying bringing some sporting flair back to the rest of the lineup with the Type S designation, but how it plans to increase its vehicles' performance is being determined."

This article basically confirms Acura is putting all of its eggs in the TLX basket.

Where is the talk of the Baby crossover under the RDX a la HR-V.

Having 3 sedans and 2 suvs is not exactly a great portfolio, especially when looking at the RLX which sells in paltry numbers. Acura needs more product!
Another crossover under RDX
Other variants of their cars things like, coupe (like Audi A5), convertible, wagon, heck performance minivan.

The problem they have is that if you have such a small number of options and a couple of the options are not successful it really makes it more painful.

I see this:
RDX/MDX/TLX successful.
RLX/ILX underperform.

That is what 40% of your products.. not good. The fact is not every product they produce will be huge hits, thus massive pressure to not make a mistake not take risks is there, and this effects how you design said product.... pressure is good but too much is not.

B.

Note left out the NSX, that is a Halo product.



Those seem to be fairly obvious omissions.

The only thing is, it Acura's suddenly a real, separate brand now, have they torn up the future plans beyond TLX and are working on a new, Acura-bespoke plank as Rolled suggested?

Presuming it's scalable, that could mean a RWD/AWD RLX, Coupe, next TLX & possibly a CUV.

It might make sense to continue some other models on the transverse/end-on plank like the ILX, RDX, etc.

Fan Koni
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 13:24
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Very sceptical about this article.
The timeline states that the crv update will be next year, although its around the corner.
About a year ago it was announced that Acura will receive one billion from Honda. So this money is supposed to be tied up now with the known products? Really? Mdx, rlx and tlx had been past most development by last year!?

Bullwinkle
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-28-2014 14:53
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I thought there was going to be an Acura version of the HR-V?
TSX69
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-29-2014 06:51
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Did not think this AutoNews article needed its own thread so sticking it here:

Honda Profit Rises 7% on Cost Cuts, Japan Sales
Honda Motor Co.'s April-June operating profit rose 7 percent from a year earlier to 198 billion yen ($1.94 billion), as lower sales in the United States were offset by costs cuts and the company's stronger focus on Asian markets.

Net income rose 20 percent to 146.5 billion yen, Honda said today. Sales rose 5 percent to 2.99 trillion yen.

Sales in Japan were bolstered by back-orders from a rush of buying that preceded a sales tax hike on April 1, while model changes boosted sales in China, India and Indonesia, the company said today. That offset flagging sales in Thailand, where political turmoil has hurt business, and a sales drop this year in the United States, where its average sales incentive per vehicle has been on the increase.

Honda is boosting sales in emerging markets to help reduce its reliance on North America, which accounts for almost half of revenue. Honda has introduced cars tailored for China, India and Indonesia since last year, betting the models will take share from rivals including Volkswagen AG and Toyota Motor Corp.


Jesse
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-29-2014 09:40
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CarPhreakD wrote:
Or, Acura could stop screwing up and start building the cars that we know they're capable of?

Chasing random niches when your volume sellers pale in comparison to the competition seems like a terrible strategy to me. Witness Honda's failed attempts with past IMA vehicles; not to mention weird one-offs like the Acura ZDX which made NO impact to their brand image at all.

Acura already has an ADHD problem when talking about their product planning and marketing, there's a distinct lack of focus and mismanagement of the brand over the years.



Yea, agree. I hate Acura for avoiding main vehicle categories and going after middle grounds that are black holes. The ZDX was a beautiful aberration though.

NoBrainer
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-29-2014 09:58
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CarPhreakD wrote:
Or, Acura could stop screwing up and start building the cars that we know they're capable of?

Chasing random niches when your volume sellers pale in comparison to the competition seems like a terrible strategy to me. Witness Honda's failed attempts with past IMA vehicles; not to mention weird one-offs like the Acura ZDX which made NO impact to their brand image at all.

Acura already has an ADHD problem when talking about their product planning and marketing, there's a distinct lack of focus and mismanagement of the brand over the years.


Who is to blame??

Wasn't the ZDX part of the top management's game plan to be Tier 1?

I wonder if the V10 sports car, RWD 'Legend' were put into production, would the general perception of ZDX change here???

Nick GravesX
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-29-2014 10:00
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TSX69 wrote:
Did not think this AutoNews article needed its own thread so sticking it here:

Honda Profit Rises 7% on Cost Cuts, Japan Sales
Honda Motor Co.'s April-June operating profit rose 7 percent from a year earlier to 198 billion yen ($1.94 billion), as lower sales in the United States were offset by costs cuts and the company's stronger focus on Asian markets.

Net income rose 20 percent to 146.5 billion yen, Honda said today. Sales rose 5 percent to 2.99 trillion yen.

Sales in Japan were bolstered by back-orders from a rush of buying that preceded a sales tax hike on April 1, while model changes boosted sales in China, India and Indonesia, the company said today. That offset flagging sales in Thailand, where political turmoil has hurt business, and a sales drop this year in the United States, where its average sales incentive per vehicle has been on the increase.

Honda is boosting sales in emerging markets to help reduce its reliance on North America, which accounts for almost half of revenue. Honda has introduced cars tailored for China, India and Indonesia since last year, betting the models will take share from rivals including Volkswagen AG and Toyota Motor Corp.




Re-assuring - especially reducing dependence on the US in case the petrodollar does get collapsed by Russia/China/The Rest.

Mind you, next quarter might take a hit with these recalls/delays/etc.

Jesse
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-29-2014 10:08
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NoBrainer wrote:
I wonder if the V10 sports car, RWD 'Legend' were put into production, would the general perception of ZDX change here???



Yes, I am sure of that. And think it is quite obvious the ZDX was part of the Tier-1 Status goal.

CarmB
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 08:29
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The solution to addressing the mistakes made with the ILX and RLX is not to distract consumers with a smaller SUV, a dazzling coupe, and so on. The solution is to address those mistakes, to undo them.

I don't think it's quite as daunting as it might seem, even if resources are limited. With today's design tools, it's not inconceivable that one platform could be the foundation for a rather broad range of products. The great news for Acura is that it appears there is now an ideal platform on which to base a product renewal. Take the TLX and spin off the next ILX, the next RLX, including coupe variants. Combine those with a sub-RDX Sports Ute and of course the NSX.

As well, if the TLX is perceived to be a product independant of Honda, all the variants would, too, addressing the problem of having Acura products regarded by most as merely dressed up Hondas. If the TLX is a home run, this is Acura's chance to finally get taken seriously as something more than a Honda marketing exercise.

It would not be unreasonable to project a transformed Acura line-up within three years, with a structure that could sustain it for a lot longer than that. It's so obvious that I suspect it's where Acura is headed.


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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 09:05
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Once the RLX sport hybrid starts selling (if ever) the RLX issue will go away. The main issue was not styling which is, at worst, anonymous the problem was the lack of performance. Once the sport hybrid starts glowing magazines the FWD dud will be forgotten. The ILX, again, is a good looking car with ill conceived drivetrain/options the MMC should fix that too. BTW I wonder who could whine about the ILX's looks, given that the TLX is an overgrown ILX with LEDS.
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 10:03
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6SPDTL wrote:
Once the RLX sport hybrid starts selling (if ever) the RLX issue will go away. The main issue was not styling which is, at worst, anonymous the problem was the lack of performance. Once the sport hybrid starts glowing magazines the FWD dud will be forgotten. The ILX, again, is a good looking car with ill conceived drivetrain/options the MMC should fix that too. BTW I wonder who could whine about the ILX's looks, given that the TLX is an overgrown ILX with LEDS.


The RLX Sport WILL NOT solve the issues with the RLX, sorry. This car needs a whole new level of thinking before it can become a viable product.

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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 10:22
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CivicB18 wrote:
6SPDTL wrote:
Once the RLX sport hybrid starts selling (if ever) the RLX issue will go away. The main issue was not styling which is, at worst, anonymous the problem was the lack of performance. Once the sport hybrid starts glowing magazines the FWD dud will be forgotten. The ILX, again, is a good looking car with ill conceived drivetrain/options the MMC should fix that too. BTW I wonder who could whine about the ILX's looks, given that the TLX is an overgrown ILX with LEDS.


The RLX Sport WILL NOT solve the issues with the RLX, sorry. This car needs a whole new level of thinking before it can become a viable product.


what does it need then? rwd and a v8? lol

NoBrainer
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 11:03
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iNteGRaz92 wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
6SPDTL wrote:
Once the RLX sport hybrid starts selling (if ever) the RLX issue will go away. The main issue was not styling which is, at worst, anonymous the problem was the lack of performance. Once the sport hybrid starts glowing magazines the FWD dud will be forgotten. The ILX, again, is a good looking car with ill conceived drivetrain/options the MMC should fix that too. BTW I wonder who could whine about the ILX's looks, given that the TLX is an overgrown ILX with LEDS.


The RLX Sport WILL NOT solve the issues with the RLX, sorry. This car needs a whole new level of thinking before it can become a viable product.


what does it need then? rwd and a v8? lol


Follow the German big boys, SH-AWD!

Oops.

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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 11:08
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Sorry to disagree. What's killing the RLX is its mediocre performance. Consumer reports' most pointed barb was that the RLX was didn't perform any better than a Chevy Impala while costing 20K more. The sport Hybrid fixes that particular problem, it is significantly faster and handles a LOT better. Not to mention it has a much better transmission, is quieter and has a more compliant ride. Acura's mistake was putting FWD in a platform that was designed specifically for the electric SHAWD system, thus creating a car the is over sprung has significantly worse F/R balance, handles worse, is quite a bit slower, has a less satisfying transmission, and has too much power for FWD. From the artistic design point its at worst boring (particularly from the rear). If from the get go the car was running 5 sec 0 to 60 and running circles around A6's while providing 30mpg avg. we would not have been having this conversation at all. Everyone would have been praising it and they would be selling like hot cakes.
CarmB
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 12:39
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6SPDTL wrote:
Sorry to disagree. What's killing the RLX is its mediocre performance. Consumer reports' most pointed barb was that the RLX was didn't perform any better than a Chevy Impala while costing 20K more. The sport Hybrid fixes that particular problem, it is significantly faster and handles a LOT better. Not to mention it has a much better transmission, is quieter and has a more compliant ride. Acura's mistake was putting FWD in a platform that was designed specifically for the electric SHAWD system, thus creating a car the is over sprung has significantly worse F/R balance, handles worse, is quite a bit slower, has a less satisfying transmission, and has too much power for FWD. From the artistic design point its at worst boring (particularly from the rear). If from the get go the car was running 5 sec 0 to 60 and running circles around A6's while providing 30mpg avg. we would not have been having this conversation at all. Everyone would have been praising it and they would be selling like hot cakes.


The RLX doesn't cost $20K more. If you opt for an Impala comparably equipped with a base RLX, here in Canada, the difference is $55,990 vs. $44,535 and at that the RLX is more impressively equipped. For instance, at that price, even though you get the best stereo available in the Impala, the ELS unit in the RLX Tech is still a cut above. Or you could go with the base RLX at $49,990 and forgo the nav in the Impala to set that price at $42,005.

Sure there are versions of the Impala that can be had for a lot less but a fair comparison needs to be between cars that are as close to matched in equipment as you can get. So really, the Impala is only about $8K cheaper equipped roughly comparable, though even at that the equipment the RLX costing that $8K more comes with is still a cut above. And how likely is it that four or five years from now, the two cars would be all that close in resale value. I'm pretty sure the RLX would be worth a whole lot more. For instance, according to Canadian Black Book, a 2010 RL is worth between $19,100 and $23,120 in trade whereas a 2010 Cadillac CTS is worth between $12,460 and $15,910. A fully loaded 2010 LTZ Impala is assessed at a range of $9,090 and $11,280. In other words whatever you save initially you lose later.

In the US, the RLX starts at $50,950 (with nav) vs. the top Impala checking in at $41,485. No doubt resale values mean that in the US you'd more or less see a wash when factoring in resale value.

I know CR loves the Impala and I'm sure it's a great product but the suggestion made that the two cars are extremely far apart in price is not one arrived at considering all the pertinent factors. Also, while the Impala is a new model, CR's own data regarding the previous Impala's reliability indicates the car was rather prone to breaking down. Plenty of black marks. Meanwhile GM seems to be issuing a lot of recalls these days, which can't help resale value.

Not saying the RLX is great as is. It's not. The styling is too bland and the performance of the base car just not that impressive for a flagship sedan. But CR's Impala vs. RLX line of reasoning, is misleading.


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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 13:05
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Shirley its biggest problem is it's merely a Japanese-rehashed RL, with a six-speed slushbox & the SH-AWD deleted? A hangover of the old tech, before any of the new stuff was available. And in the case of the hybrid, still isn't available.

Its rivals can boast all sorts of whizzy options - including the Cheaper TLX SH-AWD!

Even stuffing up that driveline - and making it look a bit sleeker - might wake it up a little bit.








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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 13:31
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Don't call me Shirley ...



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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 13:31
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It has been said many times, but I'll emphasize:

RLX needs 2 main things
- better styling: it's just not well done, not only anonymous, but awkward, and it needs to look bigger outside (not just inside)
- better drivetrain: it should have come with the regular SH-AWD stand, with the sport hybrid as a high tier level


Diddo for ILX:
- it looks bland and soft, and not a sharp looking sporty entry luxury vehicle (especially compared to the competition)
- 2.4 auto as we all know

TLX styling isn't sexy but it manages to look proper, similar to the current Accord.

lexusgs
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 13:49
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iNteGRaz92 wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
6SPDTL wrote:
Once the RLX sport hybrid starts selling (if ever) the RLX issue will go away. The main issue was not styling which is, at worst, anonymous the problem was the lack of performance. Once the sport hybrid starts glowing magazines the FWD dud will be forgotten. The ILX, again, is a good looking car with ill conceived drivetrain/options the MMC should fix that too. BTW I wonder who could whine about the ILX's looks, given that the TLX is an overgrown ILX with LEDS.


The RLX Sport WILL NOT solve the issues with the RLX, sorry. This car needs a whole new level of thinking before it can become a viable product.


what does it need then? rwd and a v8? lol



YES

NoBrainer
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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 13:57
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6SPDTL wrote:
Sorry to disagree. What's killing the RLX is its mediocre performance. Consumer reports' most pointed barb was that the RLX was didn't perform any better than a Chevy Impala while costing 20K more. The sport Hybrid fixes that particular problem, it is significantly faster and handles a LOT better. Not to mention it has a much better transmission, is quieter and has a more compliant ride. Acura's mistake was putting FWD in a platform that was designed specifically for the electric SHAWD system, thus creating a car the is over sprung has significantly worse F/R balance, handles worse, is quite a bit slower, has a less satisfying transmission, and has too much power for FWD. From the artistic design point its at worst boring (particularly from the rear). If from the get go the car was running 5 sec 0 to 60 and running circles around A6's while providing 30mpg avg. we would not have been having this conversation at all. Everyone would have been praising it and they would be selling like hot cakes.

Of all sources, why take CR's word at face value??
I remember that CR also panned the RL saying the SHAWD didn't worth the money. Don't forget the RLX Is faster than the Impala and I doubt the eSHAWD would be much faster.

Last but not least CR should explain why anyone would pay 40 grand for a Chevy? It's a value trap!


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Re: AutoNews: Acura Storm Before the Calm    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-11-2014 14:04
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CarmB wrote:
The solution to addressing the mistakes made with the ILX and RLX is not to distract consumers with a smaller SUV, a dazzling coupe, and so on. The solution is to address those mistakes, to undo them.

I don't think it's quite as daunting as it might seem, even if resources are limited. With today's design tools, it's not inconceivable that one platform could be the foundation for a rather broad range of products. The great news for Acura is that it appears there is now an ideal platform on which to base a product renewal. Take the TLX and spin off the next ILX, the next RLX, including coupe variants. Combine those with a sub-RDX Sports Ute and of course the NSX.

As well, if the TLX is perceived to be a product independant of Honda, all the variants would, too, addressing the problem of having Acura products regarded by most as merely dressed up Hondas. If the TLX is a home run, this is Acura's chance to finally get taken seriously as something more than a Honda marketing exercise.

It would not be unreasonable to project a transformed Acura line-up within three years, with a structure that could sustain it for a lot longer than that. It's so obvious that I suspect it's where Acura is headed.




The TLX is based on a Honda Accord platform, how is it supposed to be seen as independent from Honda for other models when it is just based on a Accord? The reviews have been saying with the V6 fwd it has traction and torque steer issues which its rivals don't have. It is not a ideal platform at all to spin off the ILX or RLX on because that is what they have been doing and what has not been working, basing all Acura's on Honda's and trying to differentiate them, it is not working anymore especially as hp over 280 is expected and really makes a fwd chassis unsuitable in this class. Adding SH-awd helps but it also hurts fuel economy and even acceleration.

Honda is creating all these issues for Acura by basing every model on fwd platforms, they are making it so difficult to compete and separate the cars from each other. When are they going to learn? It has to be much more expensive and difficult to develop and implement a 3 motor hybrid in a Accord chassis just to get decent hp/performance over just using a rwd platform that can be spread out to other models and not needing bandaids like PAWS, 3 motor hybrids, awd systems etc.

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Once the RLX sport hybrid starts selling (if ever) the RLX issue will go away. The main issue was not styling which is, at worst, anonymous the problem was the lack of performance. Once the sport hybrid starts glowing magazines the FWD dud will be forgotten. The ILX, again, is a good looking car with ill conceived drivetrain/options the MMC should fix that too. BTW I wonder who could whine about the ILX's looks, given that the TLX is an overgrown ILX with LEDS.


The hybrid is not going to solve anything now, they already made the blunder of introducing a bland fwd 310 flagship with nothing really going for it over a year ago and look at the results. We told them this would happen as soon as we saw what they were doing. The hybrid will be more expensive, very complicated, and production limited and it is only putting out 377hp when most other competitors V8's are putting out over 400hp for years. It will get much better reviews then the base version but that is not saying much.

They would be foolish if they do release the hybrid to release it with the same basic styling inside and out and expensive option packages that the market is not interested in, with the delay because of battery supply issues they really should give it a big styling update inside and out, give it real wood trim, rear seat controls, a more upscale interior, get rid of that awful 2 screen system nobody likes, make KRELL standard, make just about everything standard for a attractive price then make SH awd standard and get rid of the fwd version and don't use that shitty 9 speed auto in the TLX that is not getting very good reviews, work on making the 8 speed DSG able to handle the power from a V6.

After they do that just to get sales/reviews somewhat up and get people to forget about that fwd "smart luxury" mistake move production to the US and finally give it a rwd platform and a 400hp+ option without a complicated hybrid system which would be a great car to release after the NSX boost for the brand.


 
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