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I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 14:19
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When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...

RHalabi
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 14:53
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JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...



PAWS. no one has it and I believe no one ever had it with TOE-IN and TOE-Out features.

So theres your stunningly new feature. Audi will have this on all their cars soon. They usually follow Acura in the tech department. By follow I mean copy/emulate.

Potenza
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 15:41
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RHalabi wrote:
JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...


PAWS. no one has it and I believe no one ever had it with TOE-IN and TOE-Out features.

So theres your stunningly new feature. Audi will have this on all their cars soon. They usually follow Acura in the tech department. By follow I mean copy/emulate.

As I pointed out on another thread, Infiniti, BMW, and Lexus competitors have all had 4WS available for a couple of years now.

Toe in and toe out is the definition of rear steering. You are referring to toe-in under braking, which is indeed Acura's innovation here.

Though if I had to guess, I imagine braking in the RLX won't feel any different than any other car, and the stopping distances won't be near the shortest in the class.

Torque
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 15:49
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Potenza wrote:
RHalabi wrote:
JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...


PAWS. no one has it and I believe no one ever had it with TOE-IN and TOE-Out features.

So theres your stunningly new feature. Audi will have this on all their cars soon. They usually follow Acura in the tech department. By follow I mean copy/emulate.

As I pointed out on another thread, Infiniti, BMW, and Lexus competitors have all had 4WS available for a couple of years now.

Toe in and toe out is the definition of rear steering. You are referring to toe-in under braking, which is indeed Acura's innovation here.

Though if I had to guess, I imagine braking in the RLX won't feel any different than any other car, and the stopping distances won't be near the shortest in the class.



Audi's broad use of AWD in their cars precedes Acura by nearly 25 years. It first came out in 1980, well before Acura even existed.

Neither AWD or rear wheel steering is new to the automotive world, just relatively new to Acura.

JP
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 16:26
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Torque wrote:
Potenza wrote:
RHalabi wrote:
JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...


PAWS. no one has it and I believe no one ever had it with TOE-IN and TOE-Out features.

So theres your stunningly new feature. Audi will have this on all their cars soon. They usually follow Acura in the tech department. By follow I mean copy/emulate.

As I pointed out on another thread, Infiniti, BMW, and Lexus competitors have all had 4WS available for a couple of years now.

Toe in and toe out is the definition of rear steering. You are referring to toe-in under braking, which is indeed Acura's innovation here.

Though if I had to guess, I imagine braking in the RLX won't feel any different than any other car, and the stopping distances won't be near the shortest in the class.



Audi's broad use of AWD in their cars precedes Acura by nearly 25 years. It first came out in 1980, well before Acura even existed.

Neither AWD or rear wheel steering is new to the automotive world, just relatively new to Acura.




Come on guys, SH-AWD did not saved the RL over the 5 series and Eclass...

Mikeydred
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 16:27
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Potenza wrote:
RHalabi wrote:
JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...


PAWS. no one has it and I believe no one ever had it with TOE-IN and TOE-Out features.

So theres your stunningly new feature. Audi will have this on all their cars soon. They usually follow Acura in the tech department. By follow I mean copy/emulate.

As I pointed out on another thread, Infiniti, BMW, and Lexus competitors have all had 4WS available for a couple of years now.

Toe in and toe out is the definition of rear steering. You are referring to toe-in under braking, which is indeed Acura's innovation here.

Though if I had to guess, I imagine braking in the RLX won't feel any different than any other car, and the stopping distances won't be near the shortest in the class.


The P-AWS is an independent rear set up which is the differentiating factor between the others. We all know 4-WS is nothing new Honda was playing with it like 20 years ago.

Potenza
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 18:26
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JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...

Here's what blows me away - offering up the 5-series as part of a three-car, two-competitor demonstration, only for everyone to conclude that the 5-series is the more enjoyable vehicle!

Jeff:
Ultimately I prefer the more natural balance of the 5er's FR layout.


Autoblog:
The real competition came from a BMW 535i. In terms of a FWD large car, the Acura is easily best of the bunch, but you just can't match the rear-drive dynamics and precise steering of the 5er. And while one wasn't available to test, we're willing to bet that the Audi A6 with Quattro would stomp all over the whole group. We put the RLX somewhere in the middle of the pack.


Edmunds:
Acura made a 2013 BMW 535i and 2013 Mercedes-Benz E350 available to drive back to back with the RLX on a small handling course where body control, transitional stability and the ability to power out of low-speed corners were priorities. But thanks to the 535i's adjustable damping, this was not the demonstration Acura had hoped for. We preferred the BMW and would put money on it being quicker through the course.


I haven't read one review that names the Acura as the better car.

Was this decision made by the same people who decided to send a classic CRX along with the CR-Z for review purposes? Fools.

If this were my company, heads would be rolling, from product planners to marketers. (And designers, while we're at it.) The engineers I'd leave alone, as there's no doubt they could build a world-beater if someone would just let them.

owequitit
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Re: I am not getting it... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-19-2013 19:53
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RHalabi wrote:
JP wrote:
When a company is trying to gain market, they have to offer either something stunning new or give more for less price.

I don't see that this is happening with the RLX market. Not even talking about naming this as a flagship car... Missing rear side airbags? I have no clue that Acura Management is thinking about it.

Come on guys, you can do better than this...



PAWS. no one has it and I believe no one ever had it with TOE-IN and TOE-Out features.

So theres your stunningly new feature. Audi will have this on all their cars soon. They usually follow Acura in the tech department. By follow I mean copy/emulate.



Again, PAWS is not a "stunningly" new feature. The RLX has it standard because that is the only way to make it NOT feel like a nose heavy boat. The others don't NEED it standard because Rear/AWD takes care of the handling problems. Oh yeah, and the others have it available. In Acura's case it is a Band-Aid, not a revelation.


 
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