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Dyno Test - Yet Another Underrated Motor

Oh dear, it seems that another manufacturer has misstated the horsepower ratings of one of their vehicles. However, unlike the fiascos faced by certain automakers in recent years because of overrated powertrains, Honda seems to have chosen to provide its owners with a series of pleasant surprises.

For example, the 2004 S2000 is rated at the same 240 hp as its older siblings. It is also rated at 162 lbs-ft of torque, 9 lbs-ft more than previous models. But when we put it on our Dynapack chassis dynamometer and compared it to a 2002 S2000 (which consistently makes a few more hp than the early 2000-2001 models) we got a big surprise. Peak hp was up - a lot. A greater than 26 hp gain at peak is nothing to sneeze at! Torque was also up by over 21 lbs-ft at peak. Down low the torque curve is flatter and fatter than the previous model as well for more relaxed around town driving.


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After getting over the initial shock of the big numbers (o.k., not so shocked, Honda seems to be making a habit of underrating their engines lately), we started examining the results a little more closely and several interesting items jumped out at us. First of all, note where the torque peak occurs. On the 2004 its a double peak high in the rpm range at approximately 6500 and again at 7800 rpm. The 2002 sees peak torque at 6500 rpm as well. Not what you'd expect with a bigger engine. Its this second, high rpm torque peak that really gives the 2004 its sprint to the rev limiter. Its also a bit of a pain when driving because there is no overrev capacity. You hit the power peak and you hit the rev limiter while the early models had a good 600 rpm after the peak to play with. That last little spike in torque (which was very repeatable in case you wondered) also brings up the peak hp numbers a bit. When you look at the averages, the more typical gains on the high cam are closer to 20 hp - still quite substantial for an engine rated at "the same" 240 hp as the early models.

How did Honda get these large gains? Well, yes, the displacement does count, but there are other factros to consider. Lower revs usually means that proportional gains due to displacement are reduced. With 8% more displacement, we would have expected about 17-18 more hp if peak power was made at the same rpm. With the 300-400 rpm reduction in that peak that we see on the dyno, we'd expect to see the gains drop to 7-9 hp. Where did the rest come from? In our opinion, the secret is in the mixture and ignition timing. While we didn't map the latter, we did datalog A/F mixtures and compare them to earlier models.


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The 2004 consistently runs about a point leaner and never less than a half point leaner on the mixture than the 2000-2003 models. Where the previous models benefited substantially from fuel tuning, Honda gets the mixture pretty darn close to optimal right off the showroom floor. Given that we've seen 7-9 hp gains from fuel tuning alone on early models, now the gains begin to make more sense. Combined with changes in ignition timing, cam profiles, etc. the power gains are quite reasonable - although we are looking for a consumer purchased model (vs. our press car) to test as a verification. (Contact shawn@vtec.net if you're in Southern California and want a free dyno test.)

So, the 2004 S2000 makes more power - a lot more power. But that's the dyno, what's it like on the road? Stick around as we put it through its paces alongside an early model for comparison.



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08-20-2004 03:35
how much power does the 2004 s2k make at the wheels?   (Score: 1, Normal)
steven2k
01-19-2004 13:34
What about a s2000 type R?   (Score: 1, Normal)
kiwikungfu
11-08-2003 11:42
Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
11-08-2003 12:38
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
mentaloriental
11-08-2003 17:57
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
11-10-2003 08:24
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
noelsxx
11-12-2003 13:22
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
Lesm
11-12-2003 13:58
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-08-2003 14:45
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
96civicEX
11-08-2003 18:07
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
KenB
11-09-2003 22:26
Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
NSXman
11-09-2003 22:32
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
T-R
11-10-2003 01:02
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TeggyBoi
11-10-2003 01:15
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
hondaficionado
11-10-2003 02:36
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
KenB
11-10-2003 12:13
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Fongu
11-10-2003 12:17
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
dydx
01-13-2004 11:23
Re: Opinions on why Honda underrates power?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Haji
11-10-2003 22:19
My guesses, after thought   (Score: 1, Normal)
NSXman
11-11-2003 10:03
Re: My guesses, after thought   (Score: 1, Normal)
kiddies
11-11-2003 19:09
Re: My guesses, after thought   (Score: 1, Normal)
shingles
11-11-2003 20:02
Re: My guesses, after thought   (Score: 1, Normal)
cobalt
01-16-2004 10:29
Re: My guesses, after thought   (Score: 1, Normal)
AcuraSM
11-11-2003 16:00
Re: Holy Smokes   (Score: 1, Normal)
Ludskee
01-15-2004 16:07
Prelude Engine Question   (Score: 1, Normal)
h22accord
01-16-2004 10:34
Re: Prelude Engine Question   (Score: 1, Normal)
AcuraSM
01-16-2004 11:48
Re: Prelude Engine Question   (Score: 1, Normal)
sooperman12
01-13-2004 18:39
since most of the engines are underated does any body think that some could be overrated   (Score: 1, Normal)
99teglsvtec
01-14-2004 13:29
Re: since most of the engines are underated does any body think that some could be overrated   (Score: 1, Normal)
shingles
11-09-2003 18:31
Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
T-R
11-09-2003 21:07
Re: Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-09-2003 22:15
Re: Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
T-R
11-10-2003 13:25
Re: Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
floundericiousMI
11-13-2003 18:26
Re: Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
alblude
01-11-2004 20:40
Re: Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
Sketch
01-13-2004 11:24
Re: Please explain   (Score: 1, Normal)
CJ Majesty
01-08-2004 16:33
Case closed   (Score: 1, Normal)
LudegarH22A7
01-06-2004 16:24
04 Dyno numbers   (Score: 1, Normal)
80's Boy
01-06-2004 16:54
Re: 04 Dyno numbers   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
11-08-2003 20:40
What about the TL?   (Score: 1, Normal)
vtechbrain
11-09-2003 00:22
Free dyno offer   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-22-2003 18:58
Re: What about the TL?   (Score: 1, Normal)
RJC RSX
11-24-2003 11:01
Re: What about the TL?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-13-2003 18:46
A good quote...   (Score: 1, Normal)
KenB
11-08-2003 19:18
ECU changed?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Jack
11-12-2003 19:10
Re: ECU changed?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Road Rage
11-12-2003 23:19
Re: ECU changed?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Jack
11-12-2003 19:24
Screw that.   (Score: 1, Normal)
TokeMadBowls420
11-12-2003 20:42
Re: Screw that.   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-12-2003 19:08
good tests but...   (Score: 1, Normal)
MugenDX
11-12-2003 20:13
yes   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
11-10-2003 13:26
dyno runs question   (Score: 1, Normal)
Gregg Lee
11-10-2003 13:58
Re: dyno runs question   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-10-2003 14:49
Re: dyno runs question   (Score: 1, Normal)
Gregg Lee
11-10-2003 18:45
Re: dyno runs question   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-08-2003 19:13
~121.4HP/L vs ~120HP/L   (Score: 1, Normal)
LudegarH22A7
11-10-2003 01:35
125.5 HP/L...   (Score: 1, Normal)
RSX_UT
11-09-2003 23:15
00-01 Plots   (Score: 1, Normal)
RSX_UT
11-10-2003 00:38
Re: 00-01 Plots   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
11-10-2003 01:03
Re: 00-01 Plots   (Score: 1, Normal)
RSX_UT
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