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First Drive of the HONDA HSC
 Date: May 03, 2004 12:23
 Submitted by:  Terencemunro
 Source: German Car Magazine "CAR"
 Credibility Rating: 7


I've just purchased the May issue of the German "CAR" magazine and read some interesting details about the next NSX. They drove the HSC on a US Airbase in Mainz, Germany

Size: 4.25m long x 1.9m wide x 1.14m high (167.32inch long x 74.8inch wide x 45inch high)
Engine: 400hp 3.5L turbocharged (variable vane geometry!)
Top Speed: a little more than 300km/h or 188mph
Weight: 1410kg or 3100lb
Wheels: 20inch with Brembo brakes


They say that the HSC has about the same power as the FERRARI 360 Modena but a far better weight/power ratio!
The back will be slightly modified for production because of the similarity with the Corvette (lights?) The prototype has only a 4 gear automatic transmission with shift paddles at the steeringwheel but the production car will get the auto tranny with 1 or 2 more gears
Interesting detail is that the gear lever for the auto tranny is like an old telephone dialwheel in the center console! The parkbrake is electrohydraulic.

The camera mirrors are only for protoype show
The interior will find its way into the production car like on the pictures.
The lights will be Xenon in front and LED in backlights.

I hope you understand my translation with my little English knowledge

Terence

Note from the TOV: Please note that this account comes from a drive of the HSC prototype. It's quite likely that the specifications of the actual car will differ from the prototype, perhaps significantly. In particular, the notion of a turbocharger seems particularly suspicious, especially considering Honda's past stance on turbocharging, not to mention the somewhat modest quoted output rating of 400hp. We're guessing that the turbocharged motor is A) a smokescreen or B) standing in for the "real" motor for chassis development work. A naturally aspirated motor of 400hp or more (from 3.5L) should be quite "doable" in Honda's technology showcase. Further evidence that this drivetrain is purely to make the prototype "go" is the presence of the 4-speed transmission. Surely the production car will make do with no fewer than 6 ratios.

Last edited by JeffX on May 03, 2004 18:01
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WHY TURBO?????THIS IS NOT HONDA....   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 16:21
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05-03-2004 15:12
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05-03-2004 15:25
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05-03-2004 15:26
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05-03-2004 15:42
Relax people, don't jump into conclusion   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 15:49
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05-03-2004 16:04
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05-03-2004 22:53
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05-05-2004 00:41
only automatic?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 15:47
Re: THIS IS NOT HONDA.... - I Agree   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 15:51
by the way   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
05-03-2004 16:48
I wonder why turbo, why not the v10 :)   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 19:44
Re: I wonder why turbo, why not the v10 :)   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-05-2004 16:18
Re: I wonder why turbo, why not the v10 :)   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 16:53
Re: THIS IS NOT HONDA.... - I Agree   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-06-2004 21:34
Re: THIS IS NOT HONDA.... - I Agree   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 17:35
400 HP non-turbo possible ??   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 13:13
Re: 400 HP non-turbo possible ??   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 18:13
V6 vs. I4 - rotational mass   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 18:34
Re: V6 vs. I4 - rotational mass   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 09:19
Re: V6 vs. I4 - rotational mass   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 19:43
Re: THIS IS NOT HONDA.... - I Agree   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 20:04
I don't quite remember that quote   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 22:04
Re: I don't quite remember that quote   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 22:42
Re: I don't quite remember that quote   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-06-2004 17:43
or they could use the J40 V8 engine   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-06-2004 18:16
what J40?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-07-2004 18:15
Re: what J40?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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12-31-2004 01:02
Re: what J40?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 13:18
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05-03-2004 16:04
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05-03-2004 16:16
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05-03-2004 16:25
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05-04-2004 14:52
how about supercharged?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 16:07
Re: how about supercharged?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 16:41
Re: how about supercharged?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 17:14
Re: how about supercharged?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 17:22
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05-06-2004 13:24
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05-04-2004 07:54
To Terencemunro Very nice!   (Score: 1, Normal)
DA_GOAT
05-12-2004 15:26
Re: To Terencemunro Very nice!   (Score: 1, Normal)
Terencemunro
05-03-2004 15:22
Performance estimates are probably........   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 10:07
Re: Performance estimates are probably........   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 11:03
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05-09-2004 09:04
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05-09-2004 02:47
NO NO not a TURBO IMA!!!!!!!!!!   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 01:53
What's all the fuss with TURBO ?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-04-2004 02:02
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05-09-2004 01:19
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05-07-2004 21:57
European HP does not compare directly to US HP   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-08-2004 12:59
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05-08-2004 14:19
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05-03-2004 15:51
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Re: Automatic transmission...???   (Score: 1, Normal)
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Re: Automatic transmission...???   (Score: 1, Normal)
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Re: Automatic transmission...???   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 16:00
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05-03-2004 16:04
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05-03-2004 23:01
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05-06-2004 11:58
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05-05-2004 23:48
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05-05-2004 05:50
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05-05-2004 17:00
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05-03-2004 19:34
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05-03-2004 19:45
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05-05-2004 00:08
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05-05-2004 04:55
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05-03-2004 14:26
Variable shovel geometry?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 14:30
sounds like he meant variable vanes   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 14:34
yep - just checked   (Score: 1, Normal)
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Re: yep - just checked   (Score: 1, Normal)
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The "Honda Way" discussed   (Score: 1, Normal)
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05-03-2004 14:29
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