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Next Civic has something to look forward to:
Next-Gen Ford Focus unveiled! U.S. and Euro models finally united
Some notes:
Will come in 4 door sedan and 5 door hatchback trim
Dynamic Cornering Control - torque vectoring system (like the Prelude ATTS?)
1st Start-Stop application in non-hybrid car
Interior quality described as Audi/VW level
MyFord touch application - Next generation SYNC software (anyone see the CES 2010 video of this?)
8" Navigation screen
Engine:
2.0L, direct-injection, 4 cylinder
155hp / 145 lb.-ft
12:1 compression ratio
Transmission:
6 speed manual
6 speed dual-Powershift
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TurkMan71
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shifter25 wrote:
Next Civic has something to look forward to:
Next-Gen Ford Focus unveiled! U.S. and Euro models finally united
Some notes:
Will come in 4 door sedan and 5 door hatchback trim
Dynamic Cornering Control - torque vectoring system (like the Prelude ATTS?)
1st Start-Stop application in non-hybrid car
Interior quality described as Audi/VW level
MyFord touch application - Next generation SYNC software (anyone see the CES 2010 video of this?)
8" Navigation screen
Engine:
2.0L, direct-injection, 4 cylinder
155hp / 145 lb.-ft
12:1 compression ratio
Transmission:
6 speed manual
6 speed dual-Powershift
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Looks-wise, not as good as I was expecting...infact when I first saw the front 3/4 angle shot of the sedan it shouted out 'Crosstour' to me.
I think as an overall package however it has answered the competition by raising the stakes with good features and I'm sure dynamic performance....
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danielgr
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TurkMan71 wrote:
shifter25 wrote:
Next Civic has something to look forward to:
Next-Gen Ford Focus unveiled! U.S. and Euro models finally united
Some notes:
Will come in 4 door sedan and 5 door hatchback trim
Dynamic Cornering Control - torque vectoring system (like the Prelude ATTS?)
1st Start-Stop application in non-hybrid car
Interior quality described as Audi/VW level
MyFord touch application - Next generation SYNC software (anyone see the CES 2010 video of this?)
8" Navigation screen
Engine:
2.0L, direct-injection, 4 cylinder
155hp / 145 lb.-ft
12:1 compression ratio
Transmission:
6 speed manual
6 speed dual-Powershift
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Looks-wise, not as good as I was expecting...infact when I first saw the front 3/4 angle shot of the sedan it shouted out 'Crosstour' to me.
I think as an overall package however it has answered the competition by raising the stakes with good features and I'm sure dynamic performance....
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Just a "correction" on the "1st Start-Stop application in a non-hybrid car". I guess that applies to the US market, because in Europe and Japan there have been many cars featuring that tech for many years. Btw, doesn't BMW offer it in the US ? (in Europe most of their cars, if not all, use it...)
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blackstripe77
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I like the body work. The headlights not so much. Actually, not at all.
Also it can't be the first non-hybrid with start stop, seeing as the Smart MHD is already being sold. They call it a mild/micro hybrid drive but in reality its just a stripped down Smart with start-stop, no extra batteries, no motors, and priced the lowest of the Smart model range.
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Dren
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I quite like the looks of the car. I think the interior is very nice as well. I am curious how much the car will cost. I'd like the 5 door hatch if it had a more powerful motor, maybe a turbo version in the future?
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Slawsk
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The next-gen Civic will have lots of trouble keeping up with Ford's new Focus, a la 2001 Civic vs 2001 Focus.
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Jovian8
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I am very surprised with the faint praise the new Focus is getting here. I think this is one SERIOUS looking car, and much better than any current Honda.
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NealX
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Fantastic looking! If available today I most likely would be working a deal!
Next Civic better be good...
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Dren
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Jovian8 wrote:
I am very surprised with the faint praise the new Focus is getting here. I think this is one SERIOUS looking car, and much better than any current Honda.
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I still like my 4dr Si's styling over this, but this Ford is pretty hot. I am surprised as well that more people on here don't like it.
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shifter25
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I agree with the looks. I think it's one of the most appealing package in the compact market today. Now, if we can only preview the upcoming Sky engine planned in the next Mazda3 (also Miata). I think this and Mazda3 with the next generation engine, will be hard to be beat. That MyFord system alone would be worth the price of admission, seeing how much more advance it is to anything out there.
Also can't wait to see what the SVT version would be like, let alone a RS!
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dadliboi
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Design-wise, the 4-door version is still not as good as the current Civic, IMO. However, it looks eons better than the current US Focus. Looks more substantial as well. The hatchback is definitely a better-executed design.
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JonBoy
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Looks awesome to me. I have a 2008 Civic (my wife's car) and this car looks to beat it in every measurable category. We'll see if it's as good on gas (I routinely surpass 40 mpg for highway driving) but I expect driving dynamics and general features to be better.
Ford is on a serious roll these days.
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JMU R1
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It looks good but I think I liked the previous gen Euro Focus a little bit better. Either way it is a substantial improvement over the current USDM Focus. It is definitely going to sell well here.
I hope the next gen Civic is on its game.
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Jovian8
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... direct injection and 6-speed are standard!
A new 2.0-liter direct-injected four-cylinder engine producing 155 horsepower and 145 lb-ft of torque will be the only engine at launch, but buyers will have a choice between a six-speed manual transmission and Ford's new six-speed dual-clutch transmission.
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HondaMotorCo007
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Slawsk wrote:
The next-gen Civic will have lots of trouble keeping up with Ford's new Focus, a la 2001 Civic vs 2001 Focus.
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No it won't. The current sedan beats this monstrosity of a design, heck, I think the crosstour looks better than the sedan.
The hatchback is another question. It is gorgeous, like an upsized Fiesta. To bad I owned a POS ford pinto and vowed never to buy ford again.
Since Honda pushed back launch of the Civic one more year im almost sure it will be a class leading benchmark once again. One wish: Honda please bring a Civic Hatchback.
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CarPhreakD
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This new Ford Focus will have to compete against the 9th generation Civic, etc.
Ford is finally making good on its world-car promise, but I don't know how any of you could make blanket statements about its performance, etc. when it's clear that none of you has even driven it yet.
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Colin
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shifter25 wrote:
Now, if we can only preview the upcoming Sky engine planned in the next Mazda3 (also Miata).
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When did GM announce that they're selling engines to Mazda (Ford?)
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shifter25
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I meant the "SKY" engine, a codename for the next generation of Mazda engines:
Next-generation direct injection Mazda SKY-G gasoline engine
Mazda SKY-G is a next-generation direct injection gasoline engine with significantly improved fuel economy and output performance due to enhanced thermal efficiency. The engine block is newly designed to reduce mechanical friction and achieve an optimal air-fuel mix, and a direct fuel injection system is employed due to the wide variety of spray profiles that are possible, enabling the maximum expansion ratio to be achieved. Specifically, fuel economy and torque are improved by approximately 15 percent compared to Mazda's current 2.0-liter engine. This was achieved by adopting next-generation fuel injectors and a highly functional variable valve timing mechanism. The engine enables fuel economy equivalent to the current Mazda Demio (known as the Mazda2 overseas) to be achieved in a vehicle the size of a Mazda Axela (Mazda3).
Not Sky as in the Saturn Sky, the doomed GM roadster. =)
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gofast182
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Overall I think this is great. The styling is slightly busy but a great look overall. I also think the packaging will be solid. We all know in order to produce a car that will also sell well in Europe it will have to have an upscale interior and features content. I expect the Fiesta/Focus team will become what the Civic was in the late 90's (and somewhat with the current generation) in terms of packaging, engineering, and performance (sporty yet efficient). The competition for the next Civic is stiffer than ever.
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_Alex_
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Slawsk wrote:
The next-gen Civic will have lots of trouble keeping up with Ford's new Focus, a la 2001 Civic vs 2001 Focus.
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According to this article new Focus will be in "low $20,000-range" so it will not compete with 8th gen. Civic price-wise.
VW Jetta will be it's direct competitor, and as it stand now Jetta surpasses Civic in many ways (more power, better transmissions, fancy interior and such) but for some reasons it does not sell nearly as well as Civic.
With newcoming Focus Ford promises tons of innovations which is cool but this is coming from the company with solid history of epic failures.
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Colin
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CarPhreakD wrote:
Ford is finally making good on its world-car promise
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Don't you mean "yet again..." (sorry, I remember the Escort)
shifter25 wrote:
I meant the "SKY" engine, a codename for the next generation of Mazda engines
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Thanks, that makes a lot more sense!
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gofast182
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_Alex_ wrote:
Slawsk wrote:
The next-gen Civic will have lots of trouble keeping up with Ford's new Focus, a la 2001 Civic vs 2001 Focus.
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According to this article new Focus will be in "low $20,000-range" so it will not compete with 8th gen. Civic price-wise.
With newcoming Focus Ford promises tons of innovations which is cool but this is coming from the company with solid history of epic failures.
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Not sure if I buy that... the current Civic sails right into the "low $20,000 range" when you get an EX-L and/or add nav.
The thing that makes me think this will be different for Ford is that these designs and chassis are driven by Ford in Europe which has enjoyed much success and critical acclaim for current Mondeo, Focus, Fiesta sold over there.
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MasterOfDaDomain
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I'm impressed. Also saw a lengthy article on NYT about the Focus development. I have to say this car is very focused.
front view is best part of the exterior design, very aggressive.
Interior looks nicely done, exceeding most of Honda's, I'm afraid.
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CarPhreakD
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You say that as if you've sat inside it, rather than staring at photos that have been heavily photoshopped for contrast and lighting.
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NealX
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CarPhreakD wrote:
You say that as if you've sat inside it, rather than staring at photos that have been heavily photoshopped for contrast and lighting.
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You say that as if you have heavily retouched photos for contrast and lighting. ;-)
Performing those two functions cannot impart a quality of upgraded materials or textures, but push and pull areas of a photo to enhance or promote an overall positive impression throughout.
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A77
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The hatch is very nicely styled the sedan less so - the trunk looks a bit contrived and just stuck on the back. Interior is a bit busy but if it is up to recent Euro ford standards it will be better than the current NA Honda level. I almost wonder if Honda put back the civic a year to make sure the next gen is at least as good as this. Hard to see how Ford can price it at civic levels though.
Nice reference to Honda's EPS being so much better than the EPS norm in the text of the link. (think Corolla, Highlander)
Big change from the current POS NA Focus.
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atomiclightbulb
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The sheet metal is too "busy" for my tastes. Seems like creases and arches and stuff are just thrown in willy-nilly.
Not a fan of the interior either. The center stack reminds me of Hyundai for some reason.
I like the hatch much better than the sedan. I've always liked Fords simpler designs, like the Fusion.
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CarPhreakD
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Neal wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
You say that as if you've sat inside it, rather than staring at photos that have been heavily photoshopped for contrast and lighting.
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You say that as if you have heavily retouched photos for contrast and lighting. ;-)
Performing those two functions cannot impart a quality of upgraded materials or textures, but push and pull areas of a photo to enhance or promote an overall positive impression throughout.
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That is entirely untrue. A person with an access to a studio and a poorly restored car can most certainly post-process to remove all blemishes, poor fitting components, and texturize certain areas of the car. Forget photoshop, you can even use GIMP or basically any software nowadays to do such a thing and make it look convincing. It's very easy for car interiors in studio shots to look better than they do in real life. I also do not understand how anyone can make blanket statements without having actually SAT in the car and FELT things.
You ever see Chrysler interior shots? Certainly they LOOK okay... but it's a picture of lies.
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Jovian8
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How can you make such a blanket statement? ;-)
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MasterOfDaDomain
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Maybe some do better pictures than others, but I wonder why some of Honda's recent offerings don't impress (whether in print or in person).
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