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http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/acura/rl/101212589/prices.html
Some how they found an MSRP on a vehicle that doesn't exist.
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Mikeydred
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I noticed that too, it is just pure speculation at the time no one even knows if the refresh will be 2011 MY although it would make sense since the GS and M will be new.
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key123
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Maybe Edmunds is on to something. They are perhaps using what little info is known amongst journalists currently about the next gen RL to come up with that speculated price.
Here is what C&D could gather from Acura about the next gen RL at the ZDX 1st drive in LA:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/next-generation-acura-rl-to-reassert-flagship-position-within-acura-lineup/
Warning, not much info here but better than nothing!
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Spearsoft
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october 26th is right around the corner, hopefully we'll get some info on new models from the dealer meeting.
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lexusgs
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Honda has completely given up on taking the Acura brand any further then just nicer more expensive Accords which is why the RL will not get a v8, a turbo 6 cylinder, rwd, or even a significant boost in horsepower, luxury, or performance. I don't even think they care anymore if the RL sells well or does well against the competition or impresses the public as long as it is cheap to make and highly based on the Accord and they can put as little effort in it as possible. My predictions are at most it will get 10-15 more hp, a 6 speed auto, it will be a little larger and still slower then the lighter TL. I would not be surprised if they ditch wood altogether or just give it simulated wood for the interior to save costs. It might get some sort of mild hybrid which will make it very slow. The interior will look just like a ZDX. It is safe to just expect to be completely underwhelmed by the next RL because that is what Acura is specializing in these days with their new vehicles is completely underwhelming and disappointing fans and customers.
It is a shame that this company when it came out and a few years after seemed to be really going places but then took some giant steps backwards to just becoming Honda1.5 and nothing more.
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Wait so the next gen RL will still compete with the GS, M, 5 series A6, and E class? not the LS, 7 series, A8, S class, etc?
i thought they were transitioning the TL fully into midsize and the RL into fullsize/flagship level
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lexusgs
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aznxthuggie wrote:
Wait so the next gen RL will still compete with the GS, M, 5 series A6, and E class? not the LS, 7 series, A8, S class, etc?
i thought they were transitioning the TL fully into midsize and the RL into fullsize/flagship level
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The RL has trouble competing with the GS, M, 5, E class, and now Genesis already do to its fwd accord based platform and not offering a v8 like all the others. There is really no way it could compete with the larger more expensive rwd v8 LS, 7 series, A8, S class, and upcoming Equus being based on a fwd Honda Accord, Acura will never build a rwd platform for it because that requires actually putting effort in and spending money which they are totally against now. If it is not fwd Accord or civic based it aint happening for Acura unfortunately, that recent statement about no rwd or v8s in Acura's future confirmed their completely giving up on Tier 1 vehicles and enthusiast vehicles.
I see the new RL just competing with the Buick Lacross, Lincoln MKS, Lexus ES, as they are most likely going to get larger and more powerful and more upscale for the next generation. The ES is possibly going to get awd so RL will be relegated to just competing with the entry level fwd Camry based ES with awd while the GS and all the other rwd competition with optional v8s will be in a league of their own that the RL can't compete with.
It has been known what they need to compete and they still stubbornly refuse and continue with a recipe that the public does not want and is going to fail again and they will be puzzled why a fwd Accord based 50K+ lux car does not sell well.
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n8dog82
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The new TL's dimensions imply that Acura has replaced the RL in the line up. If someone is looking at a GS, 5, E, A6, etc, they should be looking at the TL. A 2009-10 TL is longer and wider than a 5 series (although shorter wheel base). I just had a customer tell me his new TL feels much bigger inside than his wifes 09 GS.
Acura is obviously thinking of doing something big with the RL. Whether canceling all together or making it much bigger, either way, right now it is fighting with the TL.
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CivicB18
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Acura really doesn't have a choice but to go all out with the next generation RL as all the sedans in the current portfolio step all over each other in terms of size and power and have done so for years. I can understand a small bit of overlap of different models but it shouldn't get anywhere near the point of one product basically voiding the next, higher model (TL vs RL).
Acura seriously needs to get the ball rolling and stop being so blind purposely ignorant about the luxury car market if they want to be a legit competitor. Sure, the current luxury landscape is or will evolve substantially in the coming years but the 3 basic core models (at least in size) will more than likely still exist.
~Patrick
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80honda
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I don't know why any car maker would target the large luxury sedan market at this time. In the news this week, most large luxury sedans are requiring 10K plus incentives to move them off lots.
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CivicB18
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80honda wrote:
I don't know why any car maker would target the large luxury sedan market at this time. In the news this week, most large luxury sedans are requiring 10K plus incentives to move them off lots.
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Regardless of how well or how bad the car market is, manufacturers are still required to develop and produce competent offerings if they want to stay in business. That said, Acura has been tip toeing around way too long and its time to get down to business so their own business case can be justified. They cant afford to sit and do nothing.
~Patrick
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80honda
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CivicB18 wrote:
Regardless of how well or how bad the car market is, manufacturers are still required to develop and produce competent offerings if they want to stay in business. That said, Acura has been tip toeing around way too long and its time to get down to business so their own business case can be justified. They cant afford to sit and do nothing.
~Patrick
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Required? Why should Honda be REQUIRED to build a car no one will buy?
Last time I looked, Honda is one of the few car companies NOT bleeding losses.
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JeffX
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80honda wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Regardless of how well or how bad the car market is, manufacturers are still required to develop and produce competent offerings if they want to stay in business. That said, Acura has been tip toeing around way too long and its time to get down to business so their own business case can be justified. They cant afford to sit and do nothing.
~Patrick
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Required? Why should Honda be REQUIRED to build a car no one will buy?
Last time I looked, Honda is one of the few car companies NOT bleeding losses.
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Honda is and has been cutting out lots of things to keep their heads above water. Acura is definitely not one of their big profit centers at the moment.
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CivicB18
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80honda wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Regardless of how well or how bad the car market is, manufacturers are still required to develop and produce competent offerings if they want to stay in business. That said, Acura has been tip toeing around way too long and its time to get down to business so their own business case can be justified. They cant afford to sit and do nothing.
~Patrick
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Required? Why should Honda be REQUIRED to build a car no one will buy?
Last time I looked, Honda is one of the few car companies NOT bleeding losses.
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Acura is required to develop new vehicles. If they didn't they wouldn't be in business.
~Patrick
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CivicB18
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Jeff wrote:
80honda wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Regardless of how well or how bad the car market is, manufacturers are still required to develop and produce competent offerings if they want to stay in business. That said, Acura has been tip toeing around way too long and its time to get down to business so their own business case can be justified. They cant afford to sit and do nothing.
~Patrick
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Required? Why should Honda be REQUIRED to build a car no one will buy?
Last time I looked, Honda is one of the few car companies NOT bleeding losses.
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Honda is and has been cutting out lots of things to keep their heads above water. Acura is definitely not one of their big profit centers at the moment.
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Very true Jeff. However, Acura cant afford to do nothing. Either way its going to cost Honda something.
~Patrick
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CivicB18
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I'm certainly not suggesting that Acura could or should offer a complete new line of vehicles in the current state of the economy. However, they don't have the option to leave the RL as is for much longer as it was pretty much behind the competition not too long after it debuted in 2005.
I fear that Honda will keep repeating the same mistake over and over again with the RL as the 3.5RL and current generation have been mediocre and uninspiring. Lower pricing structure, SH-awd, substantial MMC and tech packages cant even begin save this car.
Maybe Acura should discontinue the RL until the market stabilizes and then shoot for the stars as Acura cant afford to sit still. Acura cant progress without continuous and consistent investment and development.
What do you suggest? Keep the embarrassingly slow selling RL as is for 3-4 more years or start to develop something else that can measure up? You cant just blame the market for Acura's current issues as Honda helped put Acura in this situation. Reality is a bitch.
~Patrick
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lexusgs
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80honda wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Regardless of how well or how bad the car market is, manufacturers are still required to develop and produce competent offerings if they want to stay in business. That said, Acura has been tip toeing around way too long and its time to get down to business so their own business case can be justified. They cant afford to sit and do nothing.
~Patrick
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Required? Why should Honda be REQUIRED to build a car no one will buy?
Last time I looked, Honda is one of the few car companies NOT bleeding losses.
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Honda is not bleeding losses because they cut out of F1, canceled the ASC sports car, cancelled v8 and rwd for the future, and have not been putting or developing any new technology in their vehicles, using the same old engines and transmissions. While making all those giant cuts just to make a small profit in a bad economy may seem pretty good to some they have ruined a prime opportunity to advance Acura and their new cars are turning off many customers, many feel their offerings are now inferior and outdated to the competition. Acura vehicles are selling with big discounts and lower prices then the competition. Honda is betting and hoping gas prices will skyrocket, the economy will suck forever, and more and more stronger CAFE regulations will stifle v8s, performance, and rwd which is why they have completely given up on those segments they never wanted to put any effort in.
All the other lux companies are going ahead with rwd, performance, innovation, new features, etc which many see as those companies having confidence and still trying even in a bad economy and that will effect sales and perception in the future.
It is pretty sad when a company just hunkers down and cancels all innovation and advancement just to hope for bad times so they don't have to put any effort into vehicles they never wanted to make(ASC, rwd, v8, coupes, v10, DSG, DI, etc) and can just base everything on Honda Accords and Honda powerplants. When the economy gets better and if gas prices don't skyrocket Acura especially is going to be in a horrible position again and it will take years and years if they decide to finally offer the vehicles customers are demanding which BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar, and now Hyundai and even Kia are offering or going to be offering. They are going to be the laughing stock with their outdated Accord based lineup while other companies reap the rewards of putting the effort in.
Thing is Acura could make a lux sedan that gets better mileage with a v8 and rwd over another overweight slow v6 fwd Accord based RL that will need a heavy power/fuel economy sapping awd system to try to cope with torque steer and all the negative characteristics that go along with basing a flagship "luxury" sedan on a inexpensive fwd family sedan. The larger quicker rwd Lexus LS460 with a 380hp v8 gets better fuel economy then the smaller slower 290-300hp v6 awd RL. If Honda was so worried about fuel economy why do they still continue with the same formula that gets the worse fuel economy while the vehicle is still smaller and slower?
Acura will probably stuff a mild hybrid in the next RL that will make it even heavier, slower, and more expensive while not getting any better fuel economy or performing any better because it will still be based on a Honda Accord and need the awd system standard.
Is building just one rwd platform for a few Acura vehicles and having a v8 option really that difficult and unattainable for Honda/Acura? Why can all the other companies do it yet Honda can't or they seem to say it will cost them way too much? Honda just seems to be the big company that can't or simply stubbornly refuses for some reason.
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You have no idea what you are talking about the A8 is not RWD second the RL does not compete with the ES the FWD TL does and I do not see the ES getting AWD.
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80honda
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Mikeydred wrote:
You have no idea what you are talking about the A8 is not RWD second the RL does not compete with the ES the FWD TL does and I do not see the ES getting AWD.
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Just ignore "LEXUSgs". He is just a troll, clueless about Honda and Acura.
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Spearsoft
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Oh nice to see our resident troll back, where have you been lexusgs? We've missed many laughs at your expense. How is cgx doing by the way?
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kahlr
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My apologies if this is against Forum rules. Don't know if this has been discussed before but is lexusgs the same guy as onesicklex on the clublexus site? I like to go to their car chat forum to check out info on new cars but it seems every possible new car thread this guy onesicklex finds a way to bash honda/acura relentlessly. Since he's the moderator over there, anybody who points out his irrationality is threatened with a ban. Just curious cuz this lexusgs guy's post sounds an awful lot like that onesicklex guy.
Personally, if the new RL has ZDX design cues with an evolution of the current RL interior it will be a winner.
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80honda
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Spearsoft wrote:
Oh nice to see our resident troll back, where have you been lexusgs? We've missed many laughs at your expense. How is cgx doing by the way?
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Tell him to ask how CJ is doing also.
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TCWatkins
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lexusgs wrote:
When the economy gets better and if gas prices don't skyrocket Acura especially is going to be in a horrible position again.
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Ah, a teaching opportunity from the mouth of babes. When the economy gets better gas prices will increase greatly. Supply and demand. Gas demand can and will increase faster than supply can. Look for $4 or higher per gallon in the US come spring. I'm guessing around $5.25 for regular as tne national average.
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SoulMate
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I'm fully agreed with lexusgs, even though I love Honda very much. Acura(Honda) just digging its own grave, unfortunately...
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mlody
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SoulMate wrote:
I'm fully agreed with lexusgs, even though I love Honda very much. Acura(Honda) just digging its own grave, unfortunately...
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Although I have been supporting honda/acura and drive one, I also agree with lexusgs posts.
I also wish Honda/Acura the best of all, but I am not blind to things around, and it is not that hard to see how their cars are loosing appeal and fall behind the competitions.
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DevilMayCry
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mlody wrote:
SoulMate wrote:
I'm fully agreed with lexusgs, even though I love Honda very much. Acura(Honda) just digging its own grave, unfortunately...
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Although I have been supporting honda/acura and drive one, I also agree with lexusgs posts.
I also wish Honda/Acura the best of all, but I am not blind to things around, and it is not that hard to see how their cars are loosing appeal and fall behind the competitions.
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Well said! And couldn't agree more!
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lexusgs
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80honda wrote:
Mikeydred wrote:
You have no idea what you are talking about the A8 is not RWD second the RL does not compete with the ES the FWD TL does and I do not see the ES getting AWD.
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Just ignore "LEXUSgs". He is just a troll, clueless about Honda and Acura.
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You of all people are calling someone a troll, I can't count how many times I see people on this site call you out as a troll which is exactly what you are and what you do here. You offer nothing but attack anyone who is the least bit critical of Honda or Acura on this site with your snide remarks that you think are clever but aren't. I know way more about Honda and Acura then you and can back up what I say with facts instead of saying things like the RL was made and marketed for the boy racer civic SI crowd with coffee can exhausts which was so off base I was shocked someone would say that. Don't you own a Kia anyways instead of Hondas and Acuras.
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Spearsoft
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no, I specifically call YOU a troll. Also a bit of a douche. But I get a kick out of your posts, so it all works out. Carry on, I need my laughs for the day.
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lexusgs
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Thank you DevilMayCry, mlody, and SoulMate for what you wrote and not lumping me or anyone critical of Honda and Acura as just a troll. I still like Honda Acura and defended them but their decisions to kill the ASC, rwd, v8, v10, adding the shield grills, and not putting much effort into their current offerings is agitating and I am not the only one angry and disappointed about it. I can continue and praise them for everything they do like some fanboy and if everyone does that we will get more of the same, or others and I can complain and voice our opinion and hopefully Honda and Acura listens and does consider what other people are not very happy with. It gets old trying to defend them when they make bad decisions like the shield grill, ZDX, no rwd, or lack of innovation and sharing so much with Honda these days.
And I am no Sicklex, don't even insult me by suggesting I am him. I am not a Lexus fanboy that just wants Acura to fail. I would love nothing more then for Honda to start giving Acura the cars and technology it deserves so my posts can be more praising them instead of criticizing their decisions. I think NSXforever is Siclex anyways.
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1) Where did it say Acura was keeping the RL as is for another 4-5 years?
2) Where did it say they were planning on making no changes to the RL, and having it continue to compete against the RL? I thought the article pretty clearly acknowledged that Acura is aware of the short comings of the current RL, and thus could logically be assumed to be changing it. What rational person would keep it the same if they know it is a failure?
3) What sense does it make to handicap your best selling model so that you can continue to sell 200 RL's a month instead of only 140? Strategically, the TL competing against the RL was a short term issue that was probably made by a rational person, because it makes more sense to lose sales on your already dead flagship than to cut your best seller off at the knees in an effort to keep it in its own market, especially if you are already aware that the RL isn't selling (trust me, they know) anyway, and you intend to move it upmarket, or upsize it, or however you want to define the change.
4) Everybody on here praises a FWD based Audi, so what laws of physics don't allow Honda to build a competitive car that is FWD based? With more style, power and features, the car certainly isn't going to lose anything to Audi. Most on here that complain about the current direction of Acura also seem to generally consider the Legend to have been a competitive car. How was it competitive when it was lower powered, with a smaller engine and FWD versus the competitions V8's, and RWD cars?
Was it solely the styling?
5)Who says Acura is not introducing new technology? I am pretty sure Toyota and thus Lexus used their last V6 engine for approximately 15 years, and the J series is only 12. How exactly is that Acura being any less competitive than anyone else? Guess what, the GR series is going to be around for at least another 10-12 years, because it isn't that old and ALL manufacturer's replace such "technology" in cycles. BMW is no different, nor is Audi, nor is Mercedes Benz. I haven't seen any significantly superior engine technology from any of the other makers either, so I doubt it is an insurmountable gap for Acura to close.
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