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This car looks nice, but in no way does it make you feel like your looking at the successor of the original NSX. It will no doubt destroy the lap times set by the original NSX and NSX-R for that matter, but this car has the styling of an everyday car. It has the level of look Honda should have put on all the OTHER Acuras, not the Halo car of the greatest engine manufacturer in the world. I hope to hell Honda doesn't attach the NSX name in any way, shape, or form to this thing. And don't even bother calling it the NSX successor because THIS is some of the legacy you'll be spitting on. I remember watching this on tape when it first aired in Japan, you just knew this was one special car considering the Engineers and developmental driver behind it.
Click HERE IN CASE YOU MISSED IT
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the insider
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Hello Fanboi!
You gotta relax here. Did you want them to design a car that looks like it came out in 1991?
Does Ferrari still design cars that look like a 308 or a testarossa? No they don't. They design cars that look like they were made this decade (or century).
What did you expect, the exact same car as the old one with a new engine?
Stop living in the past.
We said good bye to the NSX when it was discontinued in 2005. Where were you?
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i hope this is not the final design because it looks more like a $ 50k sports car, then a true exotic car.
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bymmot
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And don't forget, this is just a photoshop. We really have no idea what it is going to look like under the camoflauge.
Personally, i thought it looks sharp. I hope it looks something like this once it hits the roads. Not like I would ever be able to afford one though
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xcess
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Negative.
actually, this design looks more like from the 80's 300zx/supra/240sx wannabee.
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Prox Enmity
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bymmot wrote:
And don't forget, this is just a photoshop. We really have no idea what it is going to look like under the camoflauge.
Personally, i thought it looks sharp. I hope it looks something like this once it hits the roads. Not like I would ever be able to afford one though
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Consistent and correct tense please...
ugh
THOUGHT it LOOKS...
yuck
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atomiclightbulb
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Go away, grammar Nazi.
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iNteGRaz92
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Prox Enmity wrote:
Consistent and correct tense please...
ugh
THOUGHT it LOOKS...
yuck
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whatever you say grammar police. it looks yuck? hilarious.
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I'm with the grammar nazi on this one.
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Shinobi
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the insider wrote:
Hello Fanboi!
You gotta relax here. Did you want them to design a car that looks like it came out in 1991?
Does Ferrari still design cars that look like a 308 or a testarossa? No they don't. They design cars that look like they were made this decade (or century).
What did you expect, the exact same car as the old one with a new engine?
Stop living in the past.
We said good bye to the NSX when it was discontinued in 2005. Where were you?
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OK, OK, Calm down blind loyalist and read my post again. Fanboy? Not even close. That would be you and the many blind loyalist who continue to tarnish the Honda name. It's really sad that Honda owners have been synonymous with the term Ricer, because of all the tacky stickers and non-functional plastic bits most of you Fankiddies add to your Honda. Do you even know what legacy means, better yet were you even around or old enough to appreciate the NSX when it was first introduced. More than likely not, or you would have understood my post. Now that being said, where did I say I wanted the same design with a new engine. It's amazing how dense some blind loyalist are. But believe it or not, your suggestion of new engine in the same design, wouldn't actually be a bad idea, with a few minor refreshes of course. That's what most NSX owners actually hoped for. Anyways lets look at the Ferrari 308, since you brought it up.
Ferrari 308 (1975-1985) - 328 (1985-1989) - 348 (1989-1995)- F355 (1994-1999) - 360 (1999-2005) - F430 (2004-present)
Hmmm, is your little brain starting to see the trend. All RMR layout. And every model looking more modern and sexier as they evolve through years. Now lets see NSX goes from RMR to front engine. And looks like a cheaper car than it's predecessor. I would easily say the original NSX looks more exotic than this thing. In fact, I would bet that if you have a 2005 NSX and this thing side by side, people would easily say the original looks more exotic and more expensive. You can't say the same for the the Ferarri 308 evolving to the F430. The Ferarri just kept getting nicer looking, while still looking exotic and keeping true to it's origins of RMR layout. Hope that clears my point. And let the little time line of the Ferrari 308 be a true example of how to evolve a mid-engine exotic.
Read This, and get back to me. If you don't uderstand why many don't want this car called the NSX or NSX successor then you're a lost cause.
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the insider wrote:
Hello Fanboi!
You gotta relax here. Did you want them to design a car that looks like it came out in 1991?
Does Ferrari still design cars that look like a 308 or a testarossa? No they don't. They design cars that look like they were made this decade (or century).
What did you expect, the exact same car as the old one with a new engine?
Stop living in the past.
We said good bye to the NSX when it was discontinued in 2005. Where were you?
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I had a 91 MR2 Turbo, rear midengine like the NSX; if you want an NSX, BUY ONE! There are many for sale, just like my MR2T. They are both great, but they are 80s technology, not modern at all. The 599 Ferrari is front midengine like the prototype NSX you are bitching about now.
Face it, front midengine can give you the same numbers as a rear design; the Ferrari has great balance, 49/51% like many other designs, including BMW, etal. The Nissan GT-R will be the NSX's competition, if its under $100,000, not even close to the price of the Bugatti Veyron or McClaren. Nobody will pay more than that for an modern Acura NSX as an everyday supercar. The playing field has changed drastically; I'd be happy if they actually field a refined car to challenge the GT-R, its pretty raw, with lots of NVH. The new NSX can beat that easily.
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can i just say...
Honda doesn't design cars.. its the individual people who work for Honda that designs cars, but at the same time its the individual people who make up Honda. And every time an individual is changed, hired, or fired.. Honda also changes.. forever evolving.
plz plz plz, read the whole thing and try to understand the hidden message.. lol
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roninsi02
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boomer wrote:
the insider wrote:
Hello Fanboi!
You gotta relax here. Did you want them to design a car that looks like it came out in 1991?
Does Ferrari still design cars that look like a 308 or a testarossa? No they don't. They design cars that look like they were made this decade (or century).
What did you expect, the exact same car as the old one with a new engine?
Stop living in the past.
We said good bye to the NSX when it was discontinued in 2005. Where were you?
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I had a 91 MR2 Turbo, rear midengine like the NSX; if you want an NSX, BUY ONE! There are many for sale, just like my MR2T. They are both great, but they are 80s technology, not modern at all. The 599 Ferrari is front midengine like the prototype NSX you are bitching about now.
Face it, front midengine can give you the same numbers as a rear design; the Ferrari has great balance, 49/51% like many other designs, including BMW, etal. The Nissan GT-R will be the NSX's competition, if its under $100,000, not even close to the price of the Bugatti Veyron or McClaren. Nobody will pay more than that for an modern Acura NSX as an everyday supercar. The playing field has changed drastically; I'd be happy if they actually field a refined car to challenge the GT-R, its pretty raw, with lots of NVH. The new NSX can beat that easily.
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The NSX isnt 50/50 weight balance. I think its closer to 40/60 which allows it to rotate around much easier. A properly developed front engine will not beat an equally developed MR.
If they had merely updated the exterior/interior and dropped in a hotter engine i dont think Honda/Acura would have any trouble moving units. Porsche has built an empire using that method.
NSX sales were so stale because it was slower than every single competitor.
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boomer wrote:
the insider wrote:
Hello Fanboi!
You gotta relax here. Did you want them to design a car that looks like it came out in 1991?
Does Ferrari still design cars that look like a 308 or a testarossa? No they don't. They design cars that look like they were made this decade (or century).
What did you expect, the exact same car as the old one with a new engine?
Stop living in the past.
We said good bye to the NSX when it was discontinued in 2005. Where were you?
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I had a 91 MR2 Turbo, rear midengine like the NSX; if you want an NSX, BUY ONE! There are many for sale, just like my MR2T. They are both great, but they are 80s technology, not modern at all. The 599 Ferrari is front midengine like the prototype NSX you are bitching about now.
Face it, front midengine can give you the same numbers as a rear design; the Ferrari has great balance, 49/51% like many other designs, including BMW, etal. The Nissan GT-R will be the NSX's competition, if its under $100,000, not even close to the price of the Bugatti Veyron or McClaren. Nobody will pay more than that for an modern Acura NSX as an everyday supercar. The playing field has changed drastically; I'd be happy if they actually field a refined car to challenge the GT-R, its pretty raw, with lots of NVH. The new NSX can beat that easily.
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I wouldnt go that far referring to the "80's technology" as some high end European/domestic cars recenetly started using some of the technologies the NSX debuted with nearly 20 years ago. The Europeans may not ever admit it, but the original NSX changed the game...PERIOD!
-Patrick
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mobomofo
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s22k wrote:
i hope this is not the final design because it looks more like a $ 50k sports car, then a true exotic car.
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None of BMW's cars look their worth... and yet people still buy them.
It's all about what's under the hood... and that, in the end, is what counts.
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BallerMDi
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I liked the other artist rendition in the other post (in white). This rendering is scary. Make all the excuses you want... this is not a hit look... and yeah, BMW may not have the best designs as of late, but they already have a reputation as a tier-1 marquee... Acura ain't there yet so they need a sport car that will blow the competition away cosmetically and performance wise and sorry but this design just doesn't cut it… And my worst fear is that this rendering might just be close to what the production version will look like.
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I think the photos look fantastic! I am more excited about the potential than before. This could be one fantastic car.... as long as they get the height-wide ratio right. (Some hondas look quite high, as where an uber sports car should be low hugging in my opinion)
I have said before and I say it again - this is not an NSX. It may be better, faster, and even MORE expensive, but it is nor an NSX. I cannot understand why some people don't get it.
Call it a ZSX or something.....
I would release a car like this, then in 2 years release a true NSX. That would really hit things.
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Pseudomaniac
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Call it the RL coupe (CL, Legend, Whatever) - because it's not the NSX successor. :)
New
Sports
EXperimental
This is not new, or experimental.
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WingZ
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roninsi02 wrote:
boomer wrote:
the insider wrote:
Hello Fanboi!
You gotta relax here. Did you want them to design a car that looks like it came out in 1991?
Does Ferrari still design cars that look like a 308 or a testarossa? No they don't. They design cars that look like they were made this decade (or century).
What did you expect, the exact same car as the old one with a new engine?
Stop living in the past.
We said good bye to the NSX when it was discontinued in 2005. Where were you?
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I had a 91 MR2 Turbo, rear midengine like the NSX; if you want an NSX, BUY ONE! There are many for sale, just like my MR2T. They are both great, but they are 80s technology, not modern at all. The 599 Ferrari is front midengine like the prototype NSX you are bitching about now.
Face it, front midengine can give you the same numbers as a rear design; the Ferrari has great balance, 49/51% like many other designs, including BMW, etal. The Nissan GT-R will be the NSX's competition, if its under $100,000, not even close to the price of the Bugatti Veyron or McClaren. Nobody will pay more than that for an modern Acura NSX as an everyday supercar. The playing field has changed drastically; I'd be happy if they actually field a refined car to challenge the GT-R, its pretty raw, with lots of NVH. The new NSX can beat that easily.
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The NSX isnt 50/50 weight balance. I think its closer to 40/60 which allows it to rotate around much easier. A properly developed front engine will not beat an equally developed MR.
If they had merely updated the exterior/interior and dropped in a hotter engine i dont think Honda/Acura would have any trouble moving units. Porsche has built an empire using that method.
NSX sales were so stale because it was slower than every single competitor.
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LOL You apparently have no idea about NSX numbers when it came out. Please look up the stats. So many people say this and then go "Oh I had no idea"
NSX was faster than 348 and 911. 0-60 and 1/4 mile
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"NSX was faster than 348 and 911. 0-60 and 1/4 mile"
it may have been faster than the competition in 1992 but not in 2000+...
The 280hp limit in Japan killed the NSX.
i agree with shinobi 100%. NSX replacement needs to be exotic. MR layout is exotic!
FR is for tourers (599, Astons, Maseratis), MR is for true exotic sports cars (Enzo, Gallardo, F430, Carrera GT, R8).
NSX was never a tourer!
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WingZ
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00dc2 wrote:
"NSX was faster than 348 and 911. 0-60 and 1/4 mile"
it may have been faster than the competition in 1992 but not in 2000+...
The 280hp limit in Japan killed the NSX.
i agree with shinobi 100%. NSX replacement needs to be exotic. MR layout is exotic!
FR is for tourers (599, Astons, Maseratis), MR is for true exotic sports cars (Enzo, Gallardo, F430, Carrera GT, R8).
NSX was never a tourer!
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Also until the GT-R it was still the fastest car from Japan sold in America.
Apparently you've never owned an NSX as it is quite the tourer. Again what made the NSX so great is that it had sporstcar performance you cold live with everyday ( i.e drove like a touring car )
As a business if you have a product that doesn't sell well you try something else. True Honda could've done better by the NSX but that's moot point now isn't as it's been discontinued. It's like arguing what Honda could've done to keep the Prelude alive.
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CarPhreakD
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To be fair, the Murcielago and Gallardo are both Mid-engined, all wheel drive, as is the R8.
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roninsi02
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Its Hondas own fault for not upgrading it and please don't blame the "276" hp limit which was merely a gentlemans agreement that everyon broke anyways.
Obviously the NSX was competitive when it first came out. I'd at least expect that. But soon after the ferrari 355 came out. The NSX still had 290 hp. The Ferrari 360 came out. The NSX still only had 290 hp.
I guess you didnt get my point that Honda is lazy when it comes to sprots car designs. They love to sit on their laurels and let stuff die on the vine.
Honda should have gone the Porsche sports car route and constantly offered significant upgrades to the car.
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VTECaddict
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mobomofo wrote:
None of BMW's cars look their worth... and yet people still buy them.
It's all about what's under the hood... and that, in the end, is what counts.
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no...actually its all about whats ON the hood (or grille). ie the badge.
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CarPhreakD
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roninsi02 wrote:
Its Hondas own fault for not upgrading it and please don't blame the "276" hp limit which was merely a gentlemans agreement that everyon broke anyways.
Obviously the NSX was competitive when it first came out. I'd at least expect that. But soon after the ferrari 355 came out. The NSX still had 290 hp. The Ferrari 360 came out. The NSX still only had 290 hp.
I guess you didnt get my point that Honda is lazy when it comes to sprots car designs. They love to sit on their laurels and let stuff die on the vine.
Honda should have gone the Porsche sports car route and constantly offered significant upgrades to the car.
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Then again, I'm the type who likes clean slate approaches too. The original S500 evolved into the 800 and then was allowed to die off as well. And then it was only during Honda's 50th when they brought in the S2000, which was obviously better in every way. We see something similar happening here with the Honda/Acura supercar. Honda could have constantly updated the NSX, but it would probably have ended up like the base Porsche 911- a shape that hasn't changed for over 4 decades, a design that looks dated and remind people of a glorified VW Beetle (not to mention the engine is still in the wrong place).
Eventually, Honda has to come out with a clean sheet design so that they don't get too wrapped up in the past- as an engineering company they're supposed to innovate, to take *some* cues from the past (like the earlier S cars) and then build an entirely new car from the ground up. There "are" some Halo cars that Honda has constantly updated, the most recent one being the Civic Type-R.
I have to agree though, that for 15 years the NSX was left to die a agonizing death. I don't understand why they didn't discontinue it as soon as it turned 10, or if they were going to update it with the lights, why they didn't do something about the rest of the car.
Anyways, it won't matter shortly once this car is released to the public in a few years time. You can wait another decade after that to moan about it, although considering the 35 mpg standard imposed by that time if people can still moan about it. Not to mention I'd be in my 30's =/
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2000rebuiltacrd
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Prox Enmity wrote:
bymmot wrote:
And don't forget, this is just a photoshop. We really have no idea what it is going to look like under the camoflauge.
Personally, i thought it looks sharp. I hope it looks something like this once it hits the roads. Not like I would ever be able to afford one though
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Consistent and correct tense please...
ugh
THOUGHT it LOOKS...
yuck
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lol. frustrated by correct "tenses". im hopin that your a girl...or someone in theraphy.
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roninsi02
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CarPhreakD wrote:
roninsi02 wrote:
Its Hondas own fault for not upgrading it and please don't blame the "276" hp limit which was merely a gentlemans agreement that everyon broke anyways.
Obviously the NSX was competitive when it first came out. I'd at least expect that. But soon after the ferrari 355 came out. The NSX still had 290 hp. The Ferrari 360 came out. The NSX still only had 290 hp.
I guess you didnt get my point that Honda is lazy when it comes to sprots car designs. They love to sit on their laurels and let stuff die on the vine.
Honda should have gone the Porsche sports car route and constantly offered significant upgrades to the car.
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Then again, I'm the type who likes clean slate approaches too. The original S500 evolved into the 800 and then was allowed to die off as well. And then it was only during Honda's 50th when they brought in the S2000, which was obviously better in every way. We see something similar happening here with the Honda/Acura supercar. Honda could have constantly updated the NSX, but it would probably have ended up like the base Porsche 911- a shape that hasn't changed for over 4 decades, a design that looks dated and remind people of a glorified VW Beetle (not to mention the engine is still in the wrong place).
Eventually, Honda has to come out with a clean sheet design so that they don't get too wrapped up in the past- as an engineering company they're supposed to innovate, to take *some* cues from the past (like the earlier S cars) and then build an entirely new car from the ground up. There "are" some Halo cars that Honda has constantly updated, the most recent one being the Civic Type-R.
I have to agree though, that for 15 years the NSX was left to die a agonizing death. I don't understand why they didn't discontinue it as soon as it turned 10, or if they were going to update it with the lights, why they didn't do something about the rest of the car.
Anyways, it won't matter shortly once this car is released to the public in a few years time. You can wait another decade after that to moan about it, although considering the 35 mpg standard imposed by that time if people can still moan about it. Not to mention I'd be in my 30's =/
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Although the current 911 looks similar to the 911s of the 60s if you park them side by side it doesnt look dated imo.
Ferrari also has the same knack for building history into thier cars. IMO history is how you become tier 1. People need recognition. I dont really think you can maintaint a tier 1 movement when you constantly tear down everything you did in the past.
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Varmint
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musicmanvin wrote:
can i just say...
Honda doesn't design cars.. its the individual people who work for Honda that designs cars, but at the same time its the individual people who make up Honda. And every time an individual is changed, hired, or fired.. Honda also changes.. forever evolving.
plz plz plz, read the whole thing and try to understand the hidden message.. lol
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Best post in the thread and everyone seems to be ignoring it.
Honda management has a rare (perhaps extreme) respect for the individual. Individuals design the cars. The LPLs are given a great deal of latitude. For that reason, Honda cars tend to hit the mark for which they are targeted.
However, it's going to be one person's vision. It'll be one vision that drives the development process. If that person misjudges the target (the mistake made by the RDX developer, IMO), then the resulting vehicle is crud.
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CarPhreakD
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roninsi02 wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
roninsi02 wrote:
Its Hondas own fault for not upgrading it and please don't blame the "276" hp limit which was merely a gentlemans agreement that everyon broke anyways.
Obviously the NSX was competitive when it first came out. I'd at least expect that. But soon after the ferrari 355 came out. The NSX still had 290 hp. The Ferrari 360 came out. The NSX still only had 290 hp.
I guess you didnt get my point that Honda is lazy when it comes to sprots car designs. They love to sit on their laurels and let stuff die on the vine.
Honda should have gone the Porsche sports car route and constantly offered significant upgrades to the car.
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Then again, I'm the type who likes clean slate approaches too. The original S500 evolved into the 800 and then was allowed to die off as well. And then it was only during Honda's 50th when they brought in the S2000, which was obviously better in every way. We see something similar happening here with the Honda/Acura supercar. Honda could have constantly updated the NSX, but it would probably have ended up like the base Porsche 911- a shape that hasn't changed for over 4 decades, a design that looks dated and remind people of a glorified VW Beetle (not to mention the engine is still in the wrong place).
Eventually, Honda has to come out with a clean sheet design so that they don't get too wrapped up in the past- as an engineering company they're supposed to innovate, to take *some* cues from the past (like the earlier S cars) and then build an entirely new car from the ground up. There "are" some Halo cars that Honda has constantly updated, the most recent one being the Civic Type-R.
I have to agree though, that for 15 years the NSX was left to die a agonizing death. I don't understand why they didn't discontinue it as soon as it turned 10, or if they were going to update it with the lights, why they didn't do something about the rest of the car.
Anyways, it won't matter shortly once this car is released to the public in a few years time. You can wait another decade after that to moan about it, although considering the 35 mpg standard imposed by that time if people can still moan about it. Not to mention I'd be in my 30's =/
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Although the current 911 looks similar to the 911s of the 60s if you park them side by side it doesnt look dated imo.
Ferrari also has the same knack for building history into thier cars. IMO history is how you become tier 1. People need recognition. I dont really think you can maintaint a tier 1 movement when you constantly tear down everything you did in the past.
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Well, to be fair, the Ferraris of today look nothing like the Ferrari of yesterday, and the F360 and the F430 (I mean, compare the 360 Challenge Stradale to the 430 Scuderia), look almost completely different and are different beasts to drive. The Enzo looks nothing like the F40. Ferrari is another company that starts with clean sheet designs. If you look at Lamborghini, that's yet another company that does the same thing. The Gallardo and the Murcielago are completely different from the Diablo, etc., have a different name, and completely different design. In fact, Porsche's 911 is the only example I could think of off the top of my head in the high-end market where the cars retain the same name and basic shape and constantly go through miniscule changes instead of clean sheet designs. Maybe you can make a case for Aston Martin as well (that signature grill), and Maserati, although those are more touring cars than outright sports cars. I would say that in the high end market, refining the same things for long periods of time is the exception, not the rule.
And while there "was" a 276hp gentleman's agreement in Japan, it was only in Japan. Don't forget the C32 in the first NSX update bumped hp up to 290 in every other country except Japan (IIRC, if they rated it at 290 in Japan as well when that happened then slap me). The same gentlemen's agreement is also why the R33 and R34 Skyline offered little in the way of performance improvements over the R32.
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VTECaddict wrote:
mobomofo wrote:
None of BMW's cars look their worth... and yet people still buy them.
It's all about what's under the hood... and that, in the end, is what counts.
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no...actually its all about whats ON the hood (or grille). ie the badge.
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Second that! And to a certain level it's true to all makes, including Honda.
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