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1st HI Si
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Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 04:11
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There are quite a few DIY's out there so this is just a few things for the 06 Si that I found different.

1. Not sure on other Civics but on the 06 Si you will need to shave down all the ridges on the start button. Make sure you get right up to the back of the rim.

2. I installed my start button where the hazards were and then moved the hazards over to the left just above the "fents" I had to cut a new hole for the hazards and they fit with a little trimming of the back of the panel. And you have to install them upside down. I did try to remove the button and flip it but was in able to.

3. To install the Hazards and the button so they would stay in place I used a PVC glue, same kind you would use for PCV pipe. It has a longer cure time but hold very well. There is really no place to screw the buttons back to when you are done.

4. I know I could of left the hazards where they were at but I really felt that the start button needed to be there.

5. On the 2006 Si the Power wife for the ignition is WHITE. The Starter power wire is YELLOW NOT BLACK as in years before. You can see in the pictures the wire I am pointing to is in fact yellow and the other wire in front of it is actually Orange.

6. There is very little room to tap into the wires so I stripped a short section of wire and sodered (sp) them together and then wrapped them in several layers of tape.

7. I ran the ground wire to a screw in the center consul. It was the most convenient place to get to.

If you have any questions just ask, here are a few pictures of the project and a link to the DIY's that I used as some help.

http://www.ephatch.com/resource/s2000/s2000.htm



There was one on club RSX too under the DIY section






Spargo
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 04:39
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you know that looks really great, and i almost rather like the upside down hazard button, unique i suppose. Still i would have perfered a picture step by step, i still have no idea how to do the wiring. I know a lot of these guides say see this one to take apart your dash, see this one to wire, but I'd like it if somone would post a good solid DIY with a picture of every step, or maybe even a good 5 minute well edited video.

-Spargo
Spargo
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 04:41
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oh yeah do you really have to wait that long? or can you just twist and press? Because I know a lot of people complain about the extra time it takes but i always think they're just being over dramatic.

-Spargo
DCR
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 09:30
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Did you have to relay, or fuse that button?
watermelon
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 10:40
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Is it just me or is the "Engine Start" button slightly crooked?

Nice job otherwise, looks good.
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 12:09
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Shuuuu the button is straight... you are seeing things....

No its a little off, the button was/is slights out of round and had a hard time just getting it to lay flush, if I twisted it just that little bit would stand out about another 1/16" so I went with a slightly crooked button as opposed to one that sticks out to far.


I didn't really get many pictures as I was going. But I would be more than happy to help you with any of your questions on the wiring.

If you use a genuine Honda button you do not need a relay or any thing else.

I soddered 3 wires (1 power white wire, 1 to the ignition wire Yellow and then ran a ground to the body.


No you dont have to wait at all, soon as the key is on you can press the button. I was just going slower so it would show up in the video.

Sorry about how how few pictures there are I have a really hard time stopping what I am doing and taking pictures of it. Once I get going I don't like to stop.
raven21
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 13:37
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What kind of wire did use to tap into the ignition from the starter button?

You mentioned you tapped into the white and yellow wires from the ignition. From that point where do those wires connect to?..ie) back of the starter button.

And is the ground wire from the starter to the console. Is the ground a black wire?

Sorry about all the questions.

Thanks in advance ..and nice install.
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 14:21
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raven21 wrote:
What kind of wire did use to tap into the ignition from the starter button?

You mentioned you tapped into the white and yellow wires from the ignition. From that point where do those wires connect to?..ie) back of the starter button.

And is the ground wire from the starter to the console. Is the ground a black wire?

Sorry about all the questions.

Thanks in advance ..and nice install.




No problem

I used 16 gauge strand wire. You can get it at any harwear store or automotive store. You could use 18 gauge if you wanted or 14 gauge, Just any thing around that size.

I only had 2 colors wire, white and green. So I used the green ad the ground, pretty much standard, and then ran a white for the main power, and a a white (made a black stripe on it with a sharpie) for the starter wire.

From the ignition you go back to the start button.

There are 5 prongs on the back of the start button. Looking at the back of the button on the right side prong attach the wire that will go to the starter wire. The next one over you attach the main power wire (always hot) and then the third prong is for the ground.

The ground wire that runs from the start button to a location you select to ground it. Any where that is metal that attaches to the body of the car.
DCR
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 15:19
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1st HI Si wrote:
If you use a genuine Honda button you do not need a relay or any thing else.



Why is that? You are still tapping into wires in the steering column, after the fuse panel.

You could use any switch and do this. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't fuse a hot line.
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 16:32
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you dont need a relay because there is one built in to the honda switch.
raven21
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 19:41
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Does it require you to remove the entire front dashboard or just the center dashboard ie)radio area.

If so..how do i remove that center section. Im a little iffy on removing panels..I don't want to brake anything.

Thanks
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 19:59
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pretty much you have to remove starting under the driver side, then work your way up to the center panel. There 1 one screw on the drives side to remove and then every thing pretty much pops off, The steering wheel trim had 3 screws in the bottom. Other than that every thing pulls off. The VERY first peice that you remove have a nob to turn but when you are looking at if it is pretty much self explanatory. the one screw is on the left side, right under the mirror adjustment buttons, but you remove 2 panels before you get to that screw.... its a click together car.
Roviron
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 20:12
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To each its own... it seems to me that if you have to turn the key all the way, you might as well go ahead and start the car instead of reaching for a button. You just made a one step process into a two step process. If Jason from Friday the 13th was following you, it would take you longer to start the car than if you just had to use the key, but, I have to agree that it looks cool as hell.
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 20:16
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Yeah thats all I wanted it for, not function, just because it looks cool
DCR
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 20:17
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Roviron wrote:
If Jason from Friday the 13th was following you, it would take you longer to start the car than if you just had to use the key, but, I have to agree that it looks cool as hell.


I think we all know that the car wouldn't start period. Horror movie rules, dude.
Roviron
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 20:33
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"I think we all know that the car wouldn't start period. Horror movie rules, dude. "

true that...LOL
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-15-2006 20:49
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But if you want to you can still turn the key. Not like I cut any wires to install it.
A922Blitz
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 04:17
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1st HI Si wrote:
Yeah thats all I wanted it for, not function, just because it looks cool

exactly why i got mine........

or disable key ignition and splice the wires into a random button i never use to no one can drive my car......
1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 15:57
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You could do that. It wouldn't be that hard to do. Just cut the starter wire that you tap into.
A922Blitz
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 16:06
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exactly.
A922Blitz
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 16:11
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DCR wrote:
1st HI Si wrote:
If you use a genuine Honda button you do not need a relay or any thing else.



Why is that? You are still tapping into wires in the steering column, after the fuse panel.

You could use any switch and do this. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't fuse a hot line.


come to think of it you COULD use any switch to do this. i cant see why you would need a relay to engage...another relay.
DCR
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 16:28
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What is the amperage rating of the S2000 button, and what is the amperage running through it when the start occurs?

I still highly doubt that the S2000 has a built in relay...I am going to need to see some documentation on that.

1st HI Si
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 17:32
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I was going off what I read on another DIY for the starter button install. I am wondering why you would you would need to put a fuse in line? There is no difference between pushing the button and turning the key, it runs the power though the same path.

I don't have the tool to get the amp rating, I just have one that tells you if its hot or not.
A922Blitz
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 18:41
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i could check the amperage through the button when i put mine in, but i gotta look into another little idea i had to set up the button where i want it.
A922Blitz
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-16-2006 20:07
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aaannd i just figured that out. damn button just needs to get here so i can hook it all up hopefully saturday or sunday.
Nighthawk8Gen
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-24-2006 04:50
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I would prolly like it if I disabled the clutch contact switch. Pushing down the clutch AND hittting a button would feel a little wierd I think.
Powered by Honda
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-25-2006 15:07
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Nighthawk8Gen wrote:
I would prolly like it if I disabled the clutch contact switch. Pushing down the clutch AND hittting a button would feel a little wierd I think.



Nah, S2 is like that. Hold down clutch and push the button. Its fine you get used to it. Then you will never turn a key again.
A922Blitz
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Re: Short DIY w/ pics on start button    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-25-2006 19:22
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except to the on position in the first place...

next step: wireless immobilizers.
 
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