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Slawsk
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NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-02-2002 17:49
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http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=41596&a=a&bt=honda&arc=n

A hybrid powertrain will not be offered for the next generation NSX. Mainly due to current weight and space requirements

Most likely on RL or new model.


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KenB
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-02-2002 18:26
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Weight and space requirements? PLEASE!!

A hybrid system was placed in the puny Insight and in the Civic without compromising interior room. It can easily be placed in an NSX, even a current one i'm sure.

As for weight... I think some CRX's weighed more than the Insight...

AznSupastar
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-02-2002 19:12
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i think honda should make NSX a hybrid to show its hi-tech stuff. don't think wieight and space will be too much of a problem, but the COST will. NSX is already expensive, if they put these new tech in, the NSX will be far too expensive.

p.s. CRX is heavier than Insight cuz 1 car is made in the 2000s and the other at 1990s. it's call technology improvement & material choice to reduce weight. also don't forget Insight forgo its backseat from the hybrid system


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dydx
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...cost    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-02-2002 20:04
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Some have argued that the current NSX is overpriced for what it offers. I agree with that. The cost of a hybrid would only justify the NSX's 88K price tag. Honda might even be able to get away with pricing the hybrid (if there is one) NSX even higher.
redHfan
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Keep it pure ,focused.    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-02-2002 20:40
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The NSX is already a world-class sports car.They must make the next gen better where it matters most. It must exceed the current car's performance parameters. It must be stronger with a more ridgid body-out of steel ! with aluminium componants.How about a carbon fiber hood ! It will still be lightweght like the 911 Carrera and handle as expected of an NSX. It must have a v6 i-VTEC engine of 3.5 liters. Honda has the tech. to make v8 or v10 power with this power plant.Heck make it 3.7liters.It must have the purposeful styling that says this is "Powered by Honda" and will "kick some ass".It must have the race bred stuff that Honda has learned from the racetrack and incorperate with civilty and a level of comfort the NSX currently has.It must appeal to the sports car buyer if it it gonna sell.It wouldn't hurt if the new NSX were cheaper too.
ldvknight
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-03-2002 21:07
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Dang, no Hybrid powertrain, no V8, I guess the next NSX will just be a bumped up V6...which wouldn't be so bad if the power output was 100hp/liter.

My guess...maybe a 3.5 liter 350 hp engine with about a little less weight, just under 3000lbs. I wish it would be more like a 4.0 liter 400+ hp in a under 3000lbs chasis, but 4 liters just doesn't seem right with a V6, they would need a V8.

And BTW I think Honda is taking this eco-friendly approach a little to harshly...they don't want to increase the power of their models if the gas mileage goes down, while their competitors are throwing out performance models and leaving Honda in the dust to catch up.
Power Of Dreams
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Honda should be less ecofriendly and more racerfriendly    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-23-2003 00:40
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Hey Hiroyuki Yoshino,

Think more SCCA than Greenpeace. Show some "Kintama" here, pal...
danielgr
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-23-2003 06:10
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I think that this is the main difference between Honda and many other automakers. And that's exactly why I like Honda, and not the others. Making a 5 Liters with 500 Hp have no merit at all, you can even put 2 Turbo's like Mercedes or Audi, and everybody's gonna love it. Or even take a 8 liter W16 with 4 Turbo's as VW on Bugati, and then easily surpase the 1000 Hp. You can also take a Boeing motor and put it in a car. But, what's the point on that ?

Of course, people like you see things different. When you buy a car, you need it to be the more powerful, the more expensiv, all the more's. When I buy a car I just think about what I need, and also think about other people need. And I don't need a 550 Hp Ferrari 575 Maranello, that is actually slower than a NSX-R in race and pollutes and consumes 4 or 5 times what a normal civic does.

If they manage to make 300 or 350 Hp with the same or less weight than the current NSX, not bad fuel economy when driving easy, good environmental performance, and really good chasis and balance without any need of electronic aids, it will be my dreams car.

You also may weight the image of a brand basing you in the more powerful , more exclusif car they put in the market. I don't. For me, there's much more merit in building a 2.0 , 240 Hp, S2000, LEV compliant and capable of 8 or 9 L /100Km, or a 68 Hp hybrid Insight, than to make a 450 Hp 4.2 L bi-turbo engine like the one on the RS6. You think that Audi has left Honda in the dust. Well, first I think that's completely the opposite. Second, to call somebody "a competitor" you need to be willing to compete with him. And Honda doesn't want to compete with any 500 Hp , 2 mpg car, so I think this can't be called a "Honda competitor".

Anyway, things may change, and then I'll just couldn't say anymore : "I love Honda". But maybe then you'll love Honda much more than you do.
mrtuan
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-23-2003 09:06
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One thing to take into account is that Honda will want to use the NSX's platform for racing. And most racing don't allow for hybrid powerplants. Its gives them too much of an advantage.
TonyE
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I got your kintama right here ;-)    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-23-2003 13:00
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Ok smart aleck... some of us know what that means..... ;-)

But then I why couldn't a hybrid have some cojones and still be clean? And AWD platform might offset the additional weight of the batteries.

Power Of Dreams wrote:
Hey Hiroyuki Yoshino,

Think more SCCA than Greenpeace. Show some "Kintama" here, pal...

JMU R1
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-23-2003 15:46
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All wheel drive would make the NSX even heavier, not to mention the fact that they don't have a performance-oriented all wheel drivetrain developed.

I agree with one of the previous posters, a V6 with 350+ would be more than adequate provided the NSX shed some weight. If it weighed in at 2800 or less, it would be unique among the supercar competition and would probably be able to hang head to head in performance.

What I'd like to see for the new NSX is an elegant, pure sportscar, true to the spirit of the original. Mid engined, rear-wheel drive, with a V6 or small displacement V8 with exceptional power and efficiency. Lightness would be the final key ingredient. I don't think anyone could disagree with that.
AL CAM
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Re: NSX - No Hybrid...Too much weight ACCORDing to HIROYUKI YOSHINO    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-23-2003 17:03
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you guys need to look at how vtec works in the nsx and s2000 you will see that they work for fuel efficency then switch to power higher in the rpm. It will have a k series like v8 in the next gen around 400 hp w/ intelegence to it. As for displacement we are still not shure of a 3.5L or a 4.0L. But there is still a few new things yet to be put on the motor. Yes the the RL will have an hybrid engine.
 
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