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Can you hear it now?
Yep...
The noise from all them "MY TRUCK ES MAS MACHO" folks that believe that a truck must ruin their kidneys before they reach the end of the driveway.
You gotta tip your hat to Motor Trend 'cause they got some big COJONES on this one.
BTW- I was checking at one of them COTY trophies from MT the other day... nice looking. I think it was the one for the Pilot or something like that.
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someone hand me a towel...i think i wet myself. i cant belive this year for honda, its been soo ridiculous. i think if we compiled all the articles even from the past 3 weeks it would be this insane string of awards and updates, and news information that solidifies honda as not just the best car company, but also the best large corporation out there (ie: mass produce next-gen solar cells, etc.) now every week my friends can always expect me to tell them about some sort of insanely epic news from honda. i could rant on and on, but i just have to thank Honda for making my dreams come true. (everyone now..."awwww") Can Honda possibly top this?? tune in next time :)
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Yep... it started... check this guy out at autoweek.
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=11&threadID=24900&tstart=0
Look at the post from "gakenh01"....
"...Every Ridge I have seen I have laughed at the driver because they are the wussiest drivers around....."
Hmm, I wonder if that guy got cut off by a riced Civic sometime in the past?
Now stand back and watch out for the bombs.
;-))))
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just go to the motortrend forums....please! Look at all the cry babies now.
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shingles
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who cares?
I've decided that those that complain do it because they have one of the inferior trucks and need to justify why they bought it.
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TonyEX
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It's entertainment... that why I care. I'm bored today.. I got everything fixed, gotta wait two more hours before I get my lab time and man... this is cheap ENTERTAINMENT.
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shingles wrote:
who cares?
I've decided that those that complain do it because they have one of the inferior trucks and need to justify why they bought it.
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Off the top of my head, I can't think of any new trucks that would get nominated. Does anyone know?
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The 2006 Motor Trend Truck of the Year competition included the following models: Dodge Ram 1500, Dodge Ram Mega Cab, Honda Ridgeline, Isuzu i350, Lincoln Mark LT, and Mitsubishi Raider.
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Babingatron
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DJ6uest wrote:
The 2006 Motor Trend Truck of the Year competition included the following models: Dodge Ram 1500, Dodge Ram Mega Cab, Honda Ridgeline, Isuzu i350, Lincoln Mark LT, and Mitsubishi Raider.
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So yes... kudos to Honda for winning the TOTY but they were up against pretty pathetic competition. Three were essentially slight refreshes on the same truck and two were some fancy bits of badge engineering. Considering the competition, there really wasn't any choice.
But doesn't make up for the fact that the Ridgeline isn't really tough enough for medium or heavy duty work, regardless of whether the majority of truck buyers ever use the utility.
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isuzu still sells a truck?
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z-zero
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TonyE wrote:
Can you hear it now?
Yep...
The noise from all them "MY TRUCK ES MAS MACHO" folks that believe that a truck must ruin their kidneys before they reach the end of the driveway.
You gotta tip your hat to Motor Trend 'cause they got some big COJONES on this one.
BTW- I was checking at one of them COTY trophies from MT the other day... nice looking. I think it was the one for the Pilot or something like that.
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Ridgeline = SUV, not a "truck". I'm a Honda "fan" but, this thing is not a truck in the true sense of the word. It's along the same lines as a Ford SportTrac (which is NOT a truck).
Innovative it may be, but truck'ish it is not. Can't MT have an "SUV of the Year" award? Then yes, I could see it winning that.
To me the Ridgeline (the first half of it at least) is what the anemic looking Pilot should have been. Sorry Honda, but you missed the boat on styling the Pilot!
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RyanDL
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z-zero wrote:
Ridgeline = SUV, not a "truck". I'm a Honda "fan" but, this thing is not a truck in the true sense of the word. It's along the same lines as a Ford SportTrac (which is NOT a truck).
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Care to tell us why the Ridgeline isn't a truck? It doesn't have a covered rear cargo area, which would make it an SUV. Last time I checked, it has all the ingredients that define a truck. Same goes for the SportTrac, though it is a far cry from the Ridgeline.
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Good call Ryan, its like saying the Civic isn't a sedan like the TL because its not as fast and big...
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z-zero wrote:
Ridgeline = SUV, not a "truck". I'm a Honda "fan" but, this thing is not a truck in the true sense of the word. It's along the same lines as a Ford SportTrac (which is NOT a truck).
Innovative it may be, but truck'ish it is not. Can't MT have an "SUV of the Year" award? Then yes, I could see it winning that.
To me the Ridgeline (the first half of it at least) is what the anemic looking Pilot should have been. Sorry Honda, but you missed the boat on styling the Pilot!
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What about the Dodge Magnum? Is it really a station wagon or an SUV? :)
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shingles
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Then what IS a truck?
Does it have to ride rough? Be built on an inferior platform (body on frame?) Really what is a truck to you?
And let me guess, you too have never been in a ridgeline?
I have seen a trend where most that complain about the Ridgeline have actually never used, driven, or even sat in one.
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There are 2 distint definitions of a truck one that the auto snobs, magazines, etc... have -and- the other one that most blue collar (the ones who wear gloves...don't work in cubicles) workers have. I am amazed that no one here has recognized this yet....defines which side of the line that you all are on.
I'll tell you what a truck is for the majority of working-class people. A real truck is a WORK vehicle. ANYONE from Texas, Oklahoma, etc... can tell you this.
A work truck will allow you to hook up a 5th wheel and carry a 13+ foot trailer.
A work truck can carry 30 sheets of drywall to a construction site.
A work truck can have a 5000 watt generator and welder bolted to it.
A work truck typically has an engine (usually diesel) that has enough torque (400 + ft. lbs.) to where you can whip chains onto the frame and pull darn near anything.
A work truck can have the bed removed so that a flat bed, towing backage, crane, or any number of specialty rigs can be bolted to it.
A work truck won't make you cry if it gets scratched, dented, dropped off a cliff.
You people realize that the Ridgeline can do none of these things...right. That is why, despite being crappy vehicles, that Ford and GM are selling 1 million F150's and HD Trucks(yes million) trucks every year around the world.
The Honda is NOT a work truck. By classic definition...the Honda falls into the same NHTSA category, but the Honda is made for getting work crews to and from the jobsite, getting suburbanites to and from the Sam's club, or getting a reluctant husband to and from the gardening shop. It does that better than any other vehicle based on the criteria of their contests only....not those of the needs of the average blue collar worker.
You people think that you are so right every time...arguments are easy to start, but if you don't understand that there are, in fact, 2 distinct definitions of "Truck" you are just posting to start an argument or get a 1 up on a forum...
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Good points, Craigge. The Ridgeline was not designed for most all of the criteria you mention, and for good reason. While the big 2.5 may sell upwards of 1 million heavy-duty trucks yearly (combined), this is not an arena Honda has intended to disrupt with the Ridgeline. Rather, they're aiming squarely at the suburbanite you mention. In this regard, the Ridge is all that and much more. It will tow plenty, has a good amount of honest payload capacity, is comfortable, drives impeccably, and (gasp!) has good off-road manners.
No, it's not going to tow a 12,000 lb. trailer, but honestly, how many people need to do that? And how often?
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Well lets look at the facts.
1-They ridgeline has the highest payload of any medium sized pickups.
2-Its standard towing is as good if not better than all other midsize trucks. Its competitors can't match its 5k unless equipped with optional towing packages.
3-It has the largest cab of any midsize any many full size trucks.
4-It will happily cruise down any muddy road all day (it even did very well in the Baja race). Actually it has the most sophisticated all wheel drive system of any truck, it simply doesn't have low gear which 99% of pickup truck users never use most don't even know how to engage it!!!!
So.... where is the rumored lack of utility????? I wonder?????
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Well, I had to change the name of the thread. I have been reading several message boards and the Ridgeline being named TOY has really pissed people off! It really makes me laugh. As both a Ridgeline owner and salesman, I think I know why other people are so upset. It's not because they are anti-Honda or don't like the Ridgeline, it is more of a lack of education and fear. People don't like change. Like Craigge for instance. From the tone of Craigge's post he sounds like he is probably a blue collar worker and obviously doesn't think too highly of anyone else that doesn't do the same type of work. That's fine Craigge, that's your opinion.
And, I will add, I agree with you. I think we really need to have to seperate groupings of the term truck. There is the true work class that you reference, and there is more of the daily driver/people hauler/moderate duty class. What I think we need to recognize is this. What has Honda intended to do with the Ridgeline, and what could Honda do with it if they really wanted to?
I seriously doubt anyone here could even argue the fact, that if Honda wanted to build a seriously heavy duty pick up truck they would not have given us the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline does exactly what it is supposed to do, Ryan put it very nicely I thought. Now we can keep saying it's not a real truck and as one "uninformed" poster called it, a tougher minivan, or we can just except that fact that anyone driving around in a compact, midsize, and even some entry level full-size pickup trucks are really riding in a second-class vehicle. Oh, and before you start planning your response to that last sentence, go drive a Ridgeline. If you haven't driven one, I have no interest in hearing anything you have to say.
Now finally, lets lay it out there. If Honda wanted to design a serious work truck, can you imagine what they could do? Just think of the vehicle they would deliver. Nevermind they have never done anything similar, just knowing their track record, think of the possibilities.
To everyone out there that keeps slamming the Ridgeline, what are you so afraid of? Who cares if it doesn't tow 12,000 pounds! I would be more concerned about the depreciation of your vehicle than the towing capacity of mine!
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With that in mind...the Ridgeline is a wonderful vehicle that deserves the award. If for no reason other than the innovation in design that no one else was willing to "stick their neck out" on. Because of the Ridgeline there will be more fierce competition from all sides, and we as the consumer will benefit.
Thank you Honda!
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Craigge
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Actually I love the Ridgeline, work in a cube for an insurance company, and own 3 Honda vehicles.
The people who are typically are anti-Ridgeline are the ones who are the Blue-Collar workers that don't understand that Honda is not trying to replace the F-150 as much as they are trying to refine the segment. Most people think that truck=work truck...and that is not the case at all. For 80 years a truck = work truck, and there is resentment from many people because they think that Honda (or some other Japanese) company knows more about trucks than they do...
Don't know why people think like that...they just do. Meanwhile the newer generation that do not carry the same stigma can easily observe that this is the natural progression and refinement of a vehicle genre that has been stagnant for way to long.
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Babingatron
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RyanDL wrote:
Care to tell us why the Ridgeline isn't a truck? It doesn't have a covered rear cargo area, which would make it an SUV. Last time I checked, it has all the ingredients that define a truck. Same goes for the SportTrac, though it is a far cry from the Ridgeline.
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Well, now what is your definition of a truck? If it's just the uncovered rear cargo area and we'll throw in raised ride height in for good measure, wouldn't the Subaru Baja qualify?
I'm gonna completely disagree with HondaSalesGuy. Craigge was spot on in his analysis. The Ridgeline is a truck, and anyone who challenges that is a moron. But, just look at the kinds of vehicles that qualify as a truck, the RAV4, the PT Cruiser, and the Outback.
The Ridgeline is a great SUV with an open cargo area, in the vein of the Explorer SporTrac and Avalanche. It has interesting features, but it's not a workhorse pickup. And at best, it's just a bad choice to compare the Ridgeline against workhorse trucks like the Tacoma, Frontier, and Dakota. Lemons to Oranges... similar but different enough to make a difference.
And please people... let go of the "most people will never use it" argument. It's not relevant because it's about what the vehicle is capable of doing, not what it actually ends up doing. Most of you wouldn't appreciate it if some Germans came in and said Americans don't need performance engines in their cars because most of them never take them to the track and can't legally drive like that on the public roads anyway.
Also to 6SPDTL, I'm not sure how you expect to tow anything without a hitch but the Ridgeline doesn't come with towing capabilities standard. The towing package is a $550 option on the Ridgeline. Otherwise, it has a 1000 lb hauling capability. Both towing and hauling numbers are lower than the equivalent workhorse trucks.
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Babingatron wrote:
If it's just the uncovered rear cargo area and we'll throw in raised ride height in for good measure, wouldn't the Subaru Baja qualify?
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Yes it would qualify to be a pickup truck.
It is okay if you believe trucks to be only those vehicles that qualify for lower speed limits on some interstate highways. ;-)
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z-zero
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shingles wrote:
Then what IS a truck?
Does it have to ride rough? Be built on an inferior platform (body on frame?) Really what is a truck to you?
And let me guess, you too have never been in a ridgeline?
I have seen a trend where most that complain about the Ridgeline have actually never used, driven, or even sat in one.
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No, I have been in a Ridgeline. It's not a truck. It's a SUV, and weekend ride to the beach with the jet ski's in tow... A truck is something that if it gets dinged up that those dings and dents can be worn as badges of honor. In a Ridgeline, it's like being in an Accord... Every ding and scratch and you want to immediately fix it and wax and polish it. Every ding and scratch looks very out of place on the Ridgeline.
The Ridgeline also has that huge PAINTED front (and FLAT )bumper. That things gonna be a mess after a little while on the highways given Honda's paint quality of late.
Ridgeline is a fun-mobile... Not a truck. Please everyone stop pretending that it's in the same category as F250's, and Silverado's... It just aint. It was not designed to be so. Hence, it's not a truck. Heck, you can't even put a cap on it... it's not a truck.
Cover up that back end and put in usable human space there in its place and call it the new Honda Pilot! Ridgeline is what the Pilot should have been... Everyone know's exactly what I mean too! I know this is off subject, but the Pilot is just plain weak looking. Sorry, but Honda screwed that one up.
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z-zero wrote:
shingles wrote:
Then what IS a truck?
Does it have to ride rough? Be built on an inferior platform (body on frame?) Really what is a truck to you?
And let me guess, you too have never been in a ridgeline?
I have seen a trend where most that complain about the Ridgeline have actually never used, driven, or even sat in one.
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No, I have been in a Ridgeline. It's not a truck. It's a SUV, and weekend ride to the beach with the jet ski's in tow... A truck is something that if it gets dinged up that those dings and dents can be worn as badges of honor. In a Ridgeline, it's like being in an Accord... Every ding and scratch and you want to immediately fix it and wax and polish it. Every ding and scratch looks very out of place on the Ridgeline.
The Ridgeline also has that huge PAINTED front (and FLAT )bumper. That things gonna be a mess after a little while on the highways given Honda's paint quality of late.
Ridgeline is a fun-mobile... Not a truck. Please everyone stop pretending that it's in the same category as F250's, and Silverado's... It just aint. It was not designed to be so. Hence, it's not a truck. Heck, you can't even put a cap on it... it's not a truck.
Cover up that back end and put in usable human space there in its place and call it the new Honda Pilot! Ridgeline is what the Pilot should have been... Everyone know's exactly what I mean too! I know this is off subject, but the Pilot is just plain weak looking. Sorry, but Honda screwed that one up.
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I wouldn't compare the Ridgeline to an F-250 or a Silverado, but it doesn't make the Ridgeline any less a truck, since the definition of the word "truck" is by and large up to the individual anyway. The idea that a truck is something with a bed that you couldn't care less about scratches on pretty much negates the F-350 from being a truck in my book since a scratch on a $40,000 vehicle would bother the hell out of me. Someone else said it before, but the fact is that vehicles are evolving faster than we can come up with new categories for them.
Lastly, I'm not sure by which yardstick you measure success but I highly doubt anyone looking at the Pilot's sales figures would agree that "Honda screwed that one up."
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Urufu san
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z-zero wrote:
shingles wrote:
Then what IS a truck?
Does it have to ride rough? Be built on an inferior platform (body on frame?) Really what is a truck to you?
And let me guess, you too have never been in a ridgeline?
I have seen a trend where most that complain about the Ridgeline have actually never used, driven, or even sat in one.
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No, I have been in a Ridgeline. It's not a truck. It's a SUV, and weekend ride to the beach with the jet ski's in tow... A truck is something that if it gets dinged up that those dings and dents can be worn as badges of honor. In a Ridgeline, it's like being in an Accord... Every ding and scratch and you want to immediately fix it and wax and polish it. Every ding and scratch looks very out of place on the Ridgeline.
Ridgeline is a fun-mobile... Not a truck. Please everyone stop pretending that it's in the same category as F250's, and Silverado's... It just aint. It was not designed to be so. Hence, it's not a truck. Heck, you can't even put a cap on it... it's not a truck.
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So... that means its in the same category as the F150's? My boss has an F150 4dr and whenever he dings it, he gets crazy and trys to get it fixed ASAP. Hell if I owned a truck, I know I would hate to get it dinged up. Having dents and chips = rust bucket. I highly doubt I would be proud of driving a rust bucket. I'd pretend it's not even mine lol. But seriously.. the Ridgeline is a truck. Not a heavy duty truck like the ones you listed, but more like an F150. Something for mild to semi heavy use. And if it isn't a truck, then the Dodge Magnum is an SUV. ;)
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z-zero
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Urufu san wrote:
z-zero wrote:
shingles wrote:
Then what IS a truck?
Does it have to ride rough? Be built on an inferior platform (body on frame?) Really what is a truck to you?
And let me guess, you too have never been in a ridgeline?
I have seen a trend where most that complain about the Ridgeline have actually never used, driven, or even sat in one.
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No, I have been in a Ridgeline. It's not a truck. It's a SUV, and weekend ride to the beach with the jet ski's in tow... A truck is something that if it gets dinged up that those dings and dents can be worn as badges of honor. In a Ridgeline, it's like being in an Accord... Every ding and scratch and you want to immediately fix it and wax and polish it. Every ding and scratch looks very out of place on the Ridgeline.
Ridgeline is a fun-mobile... Not a truck. Please everyone stop pretending that it's in the same category as F250's, and Silverado's... It just aint. It was not designed to be so. Hence, it's not a truck. Heck, you can't even put a cap on it... it's not a truck.
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So... that means its in the same category as the F150's? My boss has an F150 4dr and whenever he dings it, he gets crazy and trys to get it fixed ASAP. Hell if I owned a truck, I know I would hate to get it dinged up. Having dents and chips = rust bucket. I highly doubt I would be proud of driving a rust bucket. I'd pretend it's not even mine lol. But seriously.. the Ridgeline is a truck. Not a heavy duty truck like the ones you listed, but more like an F150. Something for mild to semi heavy use. And if it isn't a truck, then the Dodge Magnum is an SUV. ;)
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A truck should be something that you can use to do work with. My old Chevy Silverado... one week I loaded up the back end with vinyl siding and aluminum for a house that I was working on. A couple of weeks later it was full of a tree that was cut down and chopped up. Ridgeline.... That would be impossible with. That's why to me it's the same thing as a SportTrac. It's for the yuppy weekenders to throw potted plants in the rear end without dirting up the trunk of their Accord and then take the dirtbike or snowmobiles up to their cabin in the woods.
Would I take the Ridgeline through a narrow dirt trail where it would get scratched up to high heaven by trees? Heck no! It's a pretty ride.
If there are wimps out there (and there are MANY) who can't even stand to have a ding in the 4 wheel drive Ford F-whatever... then they are sissies. Period.
Some vehicles can PROULDY where their battle scars (while the owners may not, and there is a distinction), the Ridgeline is not one of those vehicles. Its like a Mustang or a CR-V in that you want to keep it 'pretty'.
Ridgeline may be '"truckish" but so is the Chevy Trailbazer. Does not make them trucks, however.
When I buy another truck, and I am going to... it's not going to be the Ridgline because I want a useable bed area and I want something that I don't have to get the touch up paint on every couple of weeks or worry about getting mud on the dashboard.
Ridgeline is a passenger vehicle with the ability to handle some light utilities and not a vehicle for the all around utility (light and heavy duty) of a TRUE truck.
Here's the definition of "truck" straight from Webster's Dictionary: "a vehicle that the does not require a clear bra on the front bumper to avoid unsightly paint chips from the first stone dropping semi-truck that's in front of it on the highway."
In all seriousness... The Ridgeline has thin paint on a thin steel body. It's going to get mucked up VERY easily and it's going to look like crap if its treated the way a real truck can be treated. While someone else may have some dents in their REAL truck and pass it off as "Hey, thats why I have it -- to abuse it", the owner of a Ridgeline would need to take their ride into the collision shop so they don't frowned on by their next door neighbors "Buffy and Biff".
Ridgeline ain't a truck. If I want a 4x4 Accord with a taller seat then I would buy a Ridgeline. If I want a truck that I can use for something other than transporting the yearly Christmas tree with without scrathing my Accord, then I will buy a xxxxxxxxxxx.
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z-zero wrote:
A truck should be something that you can use to do work with. |
Thats as far as I would go agreeing with you. Ridgeline is a work vehicle for the suburban family. It can perform all the duties of a pickup truck that a typical family would need one for. It is certainly not a truck for people who need truck for serious towing capabilities, and certainly not a truck that can be appreciated by people who lug on to the idea of overkill.
Now, would you consider those lowered pickups with fancy 20" chrome wheels to be serious work truck? I hope not. Unfortunately for you... they are still trucks.
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Wow, I hope Ford and GM are listening to all this raving. From now on they should only make their tough work horses with primer paint. I mean come on guys, none of you care if they get dented or dinged up so why not just screw the original paint job period. Primer = Real Man. Dings = Real Man. I mean, man, how much more simple could it be. Just weld the damn thing together, hell, don't even paint it. The dealership should even bang their trucks around a bit before they sell them. I bet you would pay extra for lot damage! Some battle wounds before you even drive it home!
Oh, better idea. Let's just paint the damn thing with spray on bed liner. Then it will really be tough! Then when all the country folks see you driving around they will know you are a Real Man.
And as far as these continued arguements about the Ridgeline. Lets set a few things straight. First, if your 4x4 does not have upgraded differentials, such as Positraction, then you are driving something far inferior to the Ridgeline's VTM-4 system. Do your homework and you will find that to be a true statement. Also, please tell me how a freakin Frontier is a heavy duty pickup. There is a cap for the Ridgeline, made my Leer. It is ready to tow, meaning all that needs added is a tow hitch and wiring harness, it already has a beefed tow package that includes... prewiring for 4 and 7 pin connectors as well as trailer brake, dual 160 watt radiator fans, power steering fluid cooler, ATF cooler, and large brake rotors.
Let me know what else it needs to compete with a Frontier or a Dakota. I'm dying to hear what you have to say.
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Urufu san
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Wizard wrote:
z-zero wrote:
A truck should be something that you can use to do work with. |
Thats as far as I would go agreeing with you. Ridgeline is a work vehicle for the suburban family. It can perform all the duties of a pickup truck that a typical family would need one for. It is certainly not a truck for people who need truck for serious towing capabilities, and certainly not a truck that can be appreciated by people who lug on to the idea of overkill.
Now, would you consider those lowered pickups with fancy 20" chrome wheels to be serious work truck? I hope not. Unfortunately for you... they are still trucks.
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sadly I've seen a few of those low riding trucks in my city. They serve no porpose but take up a waste of space. Anywho, a lot of trucks, light or heavy duty are beggining to look like tonka trucks IMO. My bosses F150 is an 04 (if I can recall) and that looks more like a toy truck then a real one. Now those old Toyota trucks back in the 80's.. those were real trucks.
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