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atomiclightbulb
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More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-03-2012 21:42
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http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2014/2014-bmw-3-series-gran-turismo-spy-photos.html

"...this not-quite-a-wagon/not-quite-a-hatchback compromise leaves, visually, something to be desired."


Insideline put it kindly. The folks in the comments section, on the other hand, are not afraid to tell the brutal truth.

NealX
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-03-2012 22:01
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We explored this 2 years ago next week. Weird.

Gary757
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-03-2012 23:31
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2014/2014-bmw-3-series-gran-turismo-spy-photos.html

"...this not-quite-a-wagon/not-quite-a-hatchback compromise leaves, visually, something to be desired."


Insideline put it kindly. The folks in the comments section, on the other hand, are not afraid to tell the brutal truth.






My favorite comment on that page:

"'BMW is following up on the success of the larger 5 Series GT.'
I didn't realize that IL merged with The Onion."
CivicB18
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-04-2012 00:25
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I'd much rather have a 335i or 335d wagon if they offered them!

~Patrick
Restless
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-04-2012 03:17
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2014/2014-bmw-3-series-gran-turismo-spy-photos.html

"...this not-quite-a-wagon/not-quite-a-hatchback compromise leaves, visually, something to be desired."


Insideline put it kindly. The folks in the comments section, on the other hand, are not afraid to tell the brutal truth.



I just don't understand why americans dislike such vehicles.
Because they look like "tourer"?
Because of higher ground clearence?
Audi allroads are fine cars... I'm quite sure BMW will sell enough GTs to repay for r&d
Crosstour was simply ugly... and was not sold where it could sell (like some EU countries, Russia, China)
DCR
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-04-2012 11:05
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I think the "simply ugly" part is why.
shingles
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 07:44
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I, an American, dislike this BMW because it IS ugly.
Audi Allroads are generally not ugly.
The 5 GT is ugly, the 3 GT is ugly...

And no, I am not a BMW hater ;-) have two in the garage.
Dren
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 10:12
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The front doesn't flow with the rear. The rear isn't too bad really.
A77
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 11:39
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Must be me, but I like it - then again if its cargo room and visibility are as compromised as the Crosstour's then I agree it is pretty pointless. I think the X6 is far uglier. and the Panamera for that matter.
TonyEX
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 12:18
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Restless wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2014/2014-bmw-3-series-gran-turismo-spy-photos.html

"...this not-quite-a-wagon/not-quite-a-hatchback compromise leaves, visually, something to be desired."


Insideline put it kindly. The folks in the comments section, on the other hand, are not afraid to tell the brutal truth.



I just don't understand why americans dislike such vehicles.
Because they look like "tourer"?
Because of higher ground clearence?
Audi allroads are fine cars... I'm quite sure BMW will sell enough GTs to repay for r&d
Crosstour was simply ugly... and was not sold where it could sell (like some EU countries, Russia, China)




Being a bit ETHNOCENTRIC, aren't we?

The first time I saw the picture, I immediately thought that BMW has copied the Crosstour.

No man... if you like this Beemer then you must love the Crosstour, because their proportions are just about identical.

Yikes.

BMW, The Ultimate Driving Ugly Machine
NealX
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 14:04
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Had a chance to check out a new, silver, loaded V6 yesterday and it is very much "improved." Lots of better resolved bits both in and out. Still, my overall beef with the car is the ride height and the wheels are a bit rugged in design.

This BMW doesn't offend me too much because it "sits" pretty well. Try some 19s on that baby...
DCR
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 14:09
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Neal wrote:
Had a chance to check out a new, silver, loaded V6 yesterday and it is very much "improved." Lots of better resolved bits both in and out. Still, my overall beef with the car is the ride height and the wheels are a bit rugged in design.

This BMW doesn't offend me too much because it "sits" pretty well. Try some 19s on that baby...



I saw a new Crosstour yesterday at the dealer, but I only walked around the outside, very cautiously and at a safe distance. I didn't want to get any of that thing on me.
NealX
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 14:34
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Ha! I looked inside with trepidation...

Also got to drive a 2013 EX Civic (Kona Brown w/black cloth interior) and was honestly amazed by the transformation when viewed side by side with a '12. The faux stitching looked darn legit. I'd dare say that even the EX black interior can hold its own with an Accord Sport, and the interior door panels may be better designed than the ILX. Reflectors and "rear diffuser" insert really help the rear and the new tails and thin chrome garnish look substantial and upscale.

Still sits too high (wheel gap) due to pedestrian impact regs (so they say) and could really use a set of standard 17s to match the Elantra Limited's very nice set and stance.

The Civic is back on my radar as I'm sure the revised Si is more ready-to-roll (all things considered).
DCR
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 14:48
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Driving the Accord V6 6MT certainly ruined any chance I'd consider a redesigned Civic. If I am going to have a lower redline, I will take it with almost 300 horsepower.
Dren
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 15:56
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A77 wrote:
Must be me, but I like it - then again if its cargo room and visibility are as compromised as the Crosstour's then I agree it is pretty pointless. I think the X6 is far uglier. and the Panamera for that matter.


I actually reall like the Panamera. It's different, but looks good in person.
MasterOfDaDomain
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 18:01
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5 GT is ugly, and this one is no different. Crosstour is ugly also.

A7, on the other hand, is elegant. Panamera isn't bad either. There might be some similarities in the shape of these cars, but the devil is in the details.
atomiclightbulb
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 19:44
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Restless wrote:
I just don't understand why americans dislike such vehicles.
Because they look like "tourer"?
Because of higher ground clearence?
Audi allroads are fine cars... I'm quite sure BMW will sell enough GTs to repay for r&d
Crosstour was simply ugly... and was not sold where it could sell (like some EU countries, Russia, China)


I don't dislike hatchbacks generally. For example, I think the Tesla Model S looks fantastic. I just don't like particular designs like the Crosstour and this BMW.
TonyEX
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 20:05
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Neal wrote:
Ha! I looked inside with trepidation...

Also got to drive a 2013 EX Civic (Kona Brown w/black cloth interior) and was honestly amazed by the transformation when viewed side by side with a '12. The faux stitching looked darn legit. I'd dare say that even the EX black interior can hold its own with an Accord Sport, and the interior door panels may be better designed than the ILX. Reflectors and "rear diffuser" insert really help the rear and the new tails and thin chrome garnish look substantial and upscale.

Still sits too high (wheel gap) due to pedestrian impact regs (so they say) and could really use a set of standard 17s to match the Elantra Limited's very nice set and stance.

The Civic is back on my radar as I'm sure the revised Si is more ready-to-roll (all things considered).



We had a '12 Crosstour on a 6 week loan last May/June.

I liked the interior very much. The gauges were very well finished, the controls were well laid out, the NAVI was easy to read and it fit us fine.

Power wise, being a V6, it had plenty of grunt and would easily come up to 80/85 on the freeway, although tight turns did require some thinking and I couldn't throw it into a four wheel slip mode through turns as easily as my last Odyssey... it was a terminal under steer vehicle all the way.

The suspension was a good balance between comfort and control. I had no complains about it.

The interior, though, was a bit tight for how wide and long the exterior was. And the nose thrust out horizontally a la platypus... it just didn't connect with the body line. Ditto for the 'flying buttresses" at either side of the back end. Overall the car's exterior is NOT harmonious. It does not preset a fluid line from front to back and it just seems bloated for no reason.

The ride height is definitely ungainly looking, as if it were on stilts... But I could not complain about the height of the seats getting in and out. The body does need an Odyssey like rethinking.

Ultimately my wife hit the nail on the head when she noted that it felt "too big and too wide". She just didn't know where the vehicle ended. She never had this issue with the Odyssey.


DrWhiner
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Re: More "Crosstour" from BMW    (Score: 1, Normal) 12-07-2012 20:21
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Restless wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2014/2014-bmw-3-series-gran-turismo-spy-photos.html

"...this not-quite-a-wagon/not-quite-a-hatchback compromise leaves, visually, something to be desired."


Insideline put it kindly. The folks in the comments section, on the other hand, are not afraid to tell the brutal truth.



I just don't understand why americans dislike such vehicles.
Because they look like "tourer"?
Because of higher ground clearence?
Audi allroads are fine cars... I'm quite sure BMW will sell enough GTs to repay for r&d
Crosstour was simply ugly... and was not sold where it could sell (like some EU countries, Russia, China)


I think you REALLY have to update yourself, like visiting

http://www.honda.co.ru/

or Honda's Web site in China.
 
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