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These are in the design stage but it is possible some will not get the green light or other things will kill them.
2015 NSX $ 150,000 range
2016 Baby NSX $ 75,000 range
In 2008 Honda was working on a baby GT HSV V6 Rwd Coupe and roadster.
The design team is working on it again.
2015 CTR 1.6L I4 TURBO 280hp
for Europe
2016 American CTR(Prelude)
Using Euro drivetrain with 4ws
most likely coupe
2016 Japan CTR(CR-Z)
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Chris David
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Where does the 2016 American CTR info come from? I very much doubt it will happen, and if it does it won't have 4ws.
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330R
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330R wrote:
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danielgr wrote:
Whatever comes, you should not however expect it sooner than what he said (after the CTR).
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Honda better have something else coming well before then. I mean, soon. That's just abysmal. Pathetic. Negligent. Godawful. Terrible. If they can't address their enthusiast base before 2015-2016 or after, people are going to leave the brand and not return. As well they should.
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ClementZ
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RolledaNsx wrote:
These are in the design stage but it is possible some will not get the green light or other things will kill them.
2015 NSX $ 150,000 range
2016 Baby NSX $ 75,000 range
In 2008 Honda was working on a baby GT HSV V6 Rwd Coupe and roadster.
The design team is working on it again.
2015 CTR 1.6L I4 TURBO 280hp
for Europe
2016 American CTR(Prelude)
Using Euro drivetrain with 4ws
most likely coupe
2016 Japan CTR(CR-Z)
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I thought the NSX was supposed to be a smaller, cheaper version of the NSX, akin to perhaps the Evora or Cayman, not an RWD GT coupe.
And an American CT-R...
Could be interesting.
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revvin
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I don't think he means type r, more so than a flagship, halo level honda entry tailored to each market and sharing some similarities.
For europe, that means a Civic Type R in the vein of their current fit-based civic type r.
For north america, it means a new coupe, a Prelude with the euro type r engine and 4ws from the RL. (sounds delicious)
For Japan, it means a CRZ with the a turbo, perhaps?
The days of Naturally Aspirated screamers is dead, blame cafe. Small cars suffer, not the trucks or crossovers.
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RolledaNsx
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330R
All Sports car designs and development was stopped in Dec 2008 and wasn't re-started until 2011.So thats why we will not see any new sports cars until 2014(Beat) and so on.
During those three years only unofficial side projects on engineers own time was worked on (Mid-engine NSX and Beat).
They been testing a euro gen 10 type r for a while but the chassis(torsen suspension) couldn't meet goals and Honda now knows a half ass type r will not work...the people won't buy it.So they have to wait for the gen 11 civic.
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330R
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RolledaNsx wrote:
330R
All Sports car designs and development was stopped in Dec 2008 and wasn't re-started until 2011.So thats why we will not see any new sports cars until 2014(Beat) and so on.
During those three years only unofficial side projects on engineers own time was worked on (Mid-engine NSX and Beat).
They been testing a euro gen 10 type r for a while but the chassis(torsen suspension) couldn't meet goals and Honda now knows a half ass type r will not work...the people won't buy it.So they have to wait for the gen 11 civic.
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Thank you for your posts and for bringing Temple of VTEC your insights and information. I appreciate it! I want to be sure to separate my aggravation with what the information contains, from the fact that you're providing it. So, thanks and please keep posting.
That said, Honda never should have given up on the K20. Sure, someone who makes pro-Honda posts all day but probably has never even driven a K20-powered car will reply that it was "10 years old, yesterday's news", while the K24 lives on in, ick, Earth Dreams" guise. I'm just waiting to hear how the K24 isn't 10 years old, point missed entirely.
Three years lost, wasted, sitting on their hands and asses, pushing out Honda fan favorites and most requested gems like the ZDX. Way to fuckin' go. They can count their billions, smug they only had one quarter in the red. What's it costing them in minds and hearts of the people who buy their cars? In three more god forsaken years there may be something coming? I'm going to laugh my ass off if they finally bring something out, and no one is left in the Honda enthusiast fan base to buy it.
I feel bad for the UK and European folks that had the Civic turned into a "Civic" on a Jazz chassis, because now, aside from the engine not even being ready, because as Nick Graves says, they had to frantically begin work, late, because they had NOTHING going on but shitty hybrid soul crushing engines... the current "Civic" doesn't even have a suitable platform. At least the US has the Civic tC for easy peasy poseur driving.
So, do I say, 'See everyone some of you in 3 years!'? I don't know if "Honda" as it is still called, is even worthy of something that sounds like a promise to return.
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WongKN
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RaN,
Seriously, does Honda now knows and accept that face ? That would be good news. Hopefully no more wishy-washy, half-assed attempts in the future... Only problem is their fan-base is now a tiny fraction of what it was and it is likely they will never, ever regain that fan-base again.
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WongKN
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RolledaNsx wrote:
330R
All Sports car designs and development was stopped in Dec 2008 and wasn't re-started until 2011.So thats why we will not see any new sports cars until 2014(Beat) and so on.
During those three years only unofficial side projects on engineers own time was worked on (Mid-engine NSX and Beat).
They been testing a euro gen 10 type r for a while but the chassis(torsen suspension) couldn't meet goals and Honda now knows a half ass type r will not work...the people won't buy it.So they have to wait for the gen 11 civic.
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RolledaNsx,
Didn't you meant to say that Honda have been testing a Gen 9 CTR but couldn't make it work and are waiting for the Gen 10 Civic to come out. Thus the 2015 target date...
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RolledaNsx
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YES, Gen 9 Civic chassis doesn't work and their waiting for the Gen 10.
And don't worry: Like the statement in the famous movie,
"If you build it they will come"
Also with the NSX everybody gots it in there head that its only going to be around 400-450 hp. THINK AGAIN!!!!!!
The first tier sports cars by 2015 wil have 800+hp
Second tier sports cars will have 600+hp
The NSX is planned to compete with second tier sports car but handle in the corners with the first tier sports car.
And for you high rpm lovers, there is a V6 on dyno in Japan revving over 9000 at the moment....they didn't say for want car but it wasn't a racing engine.
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owequitit
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330R wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
330R
All Sports car designs and development was stopped in Dec 2008 and wasn't re-started until 2011.So thats why we will not see any new sports cars until 2014(Beat) and so on.
During those three years only unofficial side projects on engineers own time was worked on (Mid-engine NSX and Beat).
They been testing a euro gen 10 type r for a while but the chassis(torsen suspension) couldn't meet goals and Honda now knows a half ass type r will not work...the people won't buy it.So they have to wait for the gen 11 civic.
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Thank you for your posts and for bringing Temple of VTEC your insights and information. I appreciate it! I want to be sure to separate my aggravation with what the information contains, from the fact that you're providing it. So, thanks and please keep posting.
That said, Honda never should have given up on the K20. Sure, someone who makes pro-Honda posts all day but probably has never even driven a K20-powered car will reply that it was "10 years old, yesterday's news", while the K24 lives on in, ick, Earth Dreams" guise. I'm just waiting to hear how the K24 isn't 10 years old, point missed entirely.
Three years lost, wasted, sitting on their hands and asses, pushing out Honda fan favorites and most requested gems like the ZDX. Way to fuckin' go. They can count their billions, smug they only had one quarter in the red. What's it costing them in minds and hearts of the people who buy their cars? In three more god forsaken years there may be something coming? I'm going to laugh my ass off if they finally bring something out, and no one is left in the Honda enthusiast fan base to buy it.
I feel bad for the UK and European folks that had the Civic turned into a "Civic" on a Jazz chassis, because now, aside from the engine not even being ready, because as Nick Graves says, they had to frantically begin work, late, because they had NOTHING going on but shitty hybrid soul crushing engines... the current "Civic" doesn't even have a suitable platform. At least the US has the Civic tC for easy peasy poseur driving.
So, do I say, 'See everyone some of you in 3 years!'? I don't know if "Honda" as it is still called, is even worthy of something that sounds like a promise to return.
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There is a fair bit of solace in the fact that there is probably something on the order of $1.5-2BN dollars Honda is not able to count because they poured it into product that isn't selling, and thus there is no way to pretend it came back... Perhaps that is why they are finally pulling the heads from their asses. The bean counters probably can't justify the disappearance of that money, but the engineering teams sure can...
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Double J
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Thanks to RolledaNsx for the info. Also thanks to the engineers that work on these projects in their own time. 9k redline V6? Where do I sign up. Hopefully it will be somewhat affordable like a 370z or G37.
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sadlerau
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Double J wrote:
Thanks to RolledaNsx for the info. Also thanks to the engineers that work on these projects in their own time. 9k redline V6? Where do I sign up. Hopefully it will be somewhat affordable like a 370z or G37.
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Most likely for the HSV. Affordable? Not likely in a Nissan G37 frame.
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TurkMan71
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Second tier sports cars will have 600+hp
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waaaaaait a second!
the NSX will have 600+hp ??!! How?
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ClementZ
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TurkMan71 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Second tier sports cars will have 600+hp
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waaaaaait a second!
the NSX will have 600+hp ??!! How?
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Old Honda engineering wizadry, I hope.
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RolledaNsx
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The V6 in the NSX will be between 3.5L to 3.8L.
In todays sports car world with a NA Engine, to not be laughed at, it must at least make 110 hp per liter, to be special it must be 125 + hp per liter.
At 3.5L at 110hp per liter = 385 hp
At 3.5L at 125hp per liter = 437 hp
At 3.8L at 110hp per liter = 418 hp
At 3.8L at 125hp per liter = 475 hp
The electric motors in the RLX is 94 hp
and that Honda engineers stated the electric motors can produce more.
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CivicB18
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330R wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
330R
All Sports car designs and development was stopped in Dec 2008 and wasn't re-started until 2011.So thats why we will not see any new sports cars until 2014(Beat) and so on.
During those three years only unofficial side projects on engineers own time was worked on (Mid-engine NSX and Beat).
They been testing a euro gen 10 type r for a while but the chassis(torsen suspension) couldn't meet goals and Honda now knows a half ass type r will not work...the people won't buy it.So they have to wait for the gen 11 civic.
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Thank you for your posts and for bringing Temple of VTEC your insights and information. I appreciate it! I want to be sure to separate my aggravation with what the information contains, from the fact that you're providing it. So, thanks and please keep posting.
That said, Honda never should have given up on the K20. Sure, someone who makes pro-Honda posts all day but probably has never even driven a K20-powered car will reply that it was "10 years old, yesterday's news", while the K24 lives on in, ick, Earth Dreams" guise. I'm just waiting to hear how the K24 isn't 10 years old, point missed entirely.
Three years lost, wasted, sitting on their hands and asses, pushing out Honda fan favorites and most requested gems like the ZDX. Way to fuckin' go. They can count their billions, smug they only had one quarter in the red. What's it costing them in minds and hearts of the people who buy their cars? In three more god forsaken years there may be something coming? I'm going to laugh my ass off if they finally bring something out, and no one is left in the Honda enthusiast fan base to buy it.
I feel bad for the UK and European folks that had the Civic turned into a "Civic" on a Jazz chassis, because now, aside from the engine not even being ready, because as Nick Graves says, they had to frantically begin work, late, because they had NOTHING going on but shitty hybrid soul crushing engines... the current "Civic" doesn't even have a suitable platform. At least the US has the Civic tC for easy peasy poseur driving.
So, do I say, 'See everyone some of you in 3 years!'? I don't know if "Honda" as it is still called, is even worthy of something that sounds like a promise to return.
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When the EarthDreams information first leaked I could have swear there was something about a 1.8-2.0 liter with a tubular exhaust manifold....
Back to the K20, the "old Honda" would have challenged themselves and made the K20 more efficient, made it meet or exceed environmental targets yet have an increase in power overall instead of yanking an existing NON PERFORMANCE oriented engine into THE ONLY "HIGH PERFORMANCE" OFFERING HONDA HAS CURRENTLY! Do you hear us Erik Berkman?!?!?
~Patrick
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BachelorFrog
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Revving V6 to 9000 rpms seems like a hard job than revving V8 or inline/flat 6 to 9K because of uneven cylinders on the banks.
Hope they do their best.
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Double J
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sadlerau wrote:
Double J wrote:
Thanks to RolledaNsx for the info. Also thanks to the engineers that work on these projects in their own time. 9k redline V6? Where do I sign up. Hopefully it will be somewhat affordable like a 370z or G37.
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Most likely for the HSV. Affordable? Not likely in a Nissan G37 frame.
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I love the idea of an HSV. I just think that it would have to be that much more superior to the FR Nissans. 75k is approaching GTR territory. I was just hoping for an affordable rwd car.
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owequitit
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CivicB18 wrote:
330R wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
330R
All Sports car designs and development was stopped in Dec 2008 and wasn't re-started until 2011.So thats why we will not see any new sports cars until 2014(Beat) and so on.
During those three years only unofficial side projects on engineers own time was worked on (Mid-engine NSX and Beat).
They been testing a euro gen 10 type r for a while but the chassis(torsen suspension) couldn't meet goals and Honda now knows a half ass type r will not work...the people won't buy it.So they have to wait for the gen 11 civic.
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Thank you for your posts and for bringing Temple of VTEC your insights and information. I appreciate it! I want to be sure to separate my aggravation with what the information contains, from the fact that you're providing it. So, thanks and please keep posting.
That said, Honda never should have given up on the K20. Sure, someone who makes pro-Honda posts all day but probably has never even driven a K20-powered car will reply that it was "10 years old, yesterday's news", while the K24 lives on in, ick, Earth Dreams" guise. I'm just waiting to hear how the K24 isn't 10 years old, point missed entirely.
Three years lost, wasted, sitting on their hands and asses, pushing out Honda fan favorites and most requested gems like the ZDX. Way to fuckin' go. They can count their billions, smug they only had one quarter in the red. What's it costing them in minds and hearts of the people who buy their cars? In three more god forsaken years there may be something coming? I'm going to laugh my ass off if they finally bring something out, and no one is left in the Honda enthusiast fan base to buy it.
I feel bad for the UK and European folks that had the Civic turned into a "Civic" on a Jazz chassis, because now, aside from the engine not even being ready, because as Nick Graves says, they had to frantically begin work, late, because they had NOTHING going on but shitty hybrid soul crushing engines... the current "Civic" doesn't even have a suitable platform. At least the US has the Civic tC for easy peasy poseur driving.
So, do I say, 'See everyone some of you in 3 years!'? I don't know if "Honda" as it is still called, is even worthy of something that sounds like a promise to return.
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When the EarthDreams information first leaked I could have swear there was something about a 1.8-2.0 liter with a tubular exhaust manifold....
Back to the K20, the "old Honda" would have challenged themselves and made the K20 more efficient, made it meet or exceed environmental targets yet have an increase in power overall instead of yanking an existing NON PERFORMANCE oriented engine into THE ONLY "HIGH PERFORMANCE" OFFERING HONDA HAS CURRENTLY! Do you hear us Erik Berkman?!?!?
~Patrick
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There was a 1.8L with a tubular manifold, and it was shown in Jeff's press release. However, it only featured intake VTEC, which a traditional, non-VTEC exhaust cam. It may have also had VVT on both sides, although I can't remember.
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owequitit
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BachelorFrog wrote:
Revving V6 to 9000 rpms seems like a hard job than revving V8 or inline/flat 6 to 9K because of uneven cylinders on the banks.
Hope they do their best.
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It has already been done. Actually, in many ways it is easier than a straight 6 because you don't have the torsional forces on the long crank. Also, there is hardly anything more uneven than a 4 banger and they got one of those to go to 9K reliably, for cheap. Over a decade ago...
The original NSX V6 will do 9K with very little work.
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Stien Azani
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RolledaNsx wrote:
YES, Gen 9 Civic chassis doesn't work and their waiting for the Gen 10.
And don't worry: Like the statement in the famous movie,
"If you build it they will come"
Also with the NSX everybody gots it in there head that its only going to be around 400-450 hp. THINK AGAIN!!!!!!
The first tier sports cars by 2015 wil have 800+hp
Second tier sports cars will have 600+hp
The NSX is planned to compete with second tier sports car but handle in the corners with the first tier sports car.
And for you high rpm lovers, there is a V6 on dyno in Japan revving over 9000 at the moment....they didn't say for want car but it wasn't a racing engine.
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indeed it's sound like when the 1st gen NSX debut ...the NSX out-classed the tier 1 sport car in that time, and NSX is in tier 2 sport car power output
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Fan Koni
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RolledaNsx wrote:
YES, Gen 9 Civic chassis doesn't work and their waiting for the Gen 10.
And don't worry: Like the statement in the famous movie,
"If you build it they will come"
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Wow - does that mean the current euro Civic "Bagpuss" will be on a very short run?
Makes sense if the new Jazz/Fit will do everything better.
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TurkMan71
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RolledaNsx wrote:
The V6 in the NSX will be between 3.5L to 3.8L.
In todays sports car world with a NA Engine, to not be laughed at, it must at least make 110 hp per liter, to be special it must be 125 + hp per liter.
At 3.5L at 110hp per liter = 385 hp
At 3.5L at 125hp per liter = 437 hp
At 3.8L at 110hp per liter = 418 hp
At 3.8L at 125hp per liter = 475 hp
The electric motors in the RLX is 94 hp
and that Honda engineers stated the electric motors can produce more.
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I thought the RLX was going to make 370hp max (so 310hp + 60 electric = @370hp) ...I know there was talk of 370+ hp but they seemed to back down from that figure in their latest press releases...unless they're sand bagging it...
I like your numbers! Hope they are right...but I am very skeptical...no offense :-)
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RolledaNsx
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RLX info
Honda press release 11/30/2011
two rear electric motors = 20+ kw
one front electric motor = 30+ kw
No info to date has been released to how much power the top of line Electric SH-AWD RLX engine will produce. Only the FWD RLX engine power was stated (310 hp). So until the 2012 LA Auto Show... no one knows!!!
And the power ratings release for the electric motors are the
min. rating.... not the max rating!!!!
Honda just teasing again or just not showing their full hand until the RLX is ready for production.
Its going to surprise Jeff when he gets to test it just around Thanskgiving or so!!!!!!!!!!!!
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P54
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BachelorFrog wrote:
Revving V6 to 9000 rpms seems like a hard job than revving V8 or inline/flat 6 to 9K because of uneven cylinders on the banks.
Hope they do their best.
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Type: Honda RA167E
Year: 1987
Number of cylinders: 6
Configuration: 80° vee, turbo
Capacity: 1494
RPM: 13000-14000
Power: 870-1050 bhp
Honda V6 turbo engine dominated in the late eighties until the end of the first F1 turbo era in 1988
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Chocs
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P54, I hope we don't have to spend a fortune on F1 spec engines for a production sports car.
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TurkMan71
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RolledaNsx wrote:
RLX info
Honda press release 11/30/2011
two rear electric motors = 20+ kw
one front electric motor = 30+ kw
No info to date has been released to how much power the top of line Electric SH-AWD RLX engine will produce. Only the FWD RLX engine power was stated (310 hp). So until the 2012 LA Auto Show... no one knows!!!
And the power ratings release for the electric motors are the
min. rating.... not the max rating!!!!
Honda just teasing again or just not showing their full hand until the RLX is ready for production.
Its going to surprise Jeff when he gets to test it just around Thanskgiving or so!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is the press release I was referring to:
2013 Acura 'What's New' Change Summary
07/02/2012
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/acura-automobiles-headlines/releases/2013-acura-what-s-new-change-summary
But, hey if they under promise and over deliver, I'd say it's about time they started doing this again!
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