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mobis21 wrote:
He has a good point. If you hate Honda so much, why do you visit TOV? Just to troll?
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Now, now little Moby...you're mine. Don't go around calling other guys troll just to make me jealous.
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nash24
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P54 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
1.5L DOHC ED engine and lithium battery is my educated guess.
My friends are mum on it.
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Why not the 1.8 or 2.0 L ED to make it more "sport"?
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i doubt they will put in a bigger motor, they had to modify the L15 top to fit, plus putting in a bigger motor will stuff up the crash standards, it will probably get Li battery and more power out of the current engine
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Nick GravesX
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Still, the turbo-R for EU & JDM rumour sounds like a step back from the looney bin for Honda.
The S+ seems like a good way of making the standard car less embarrassingly slow.
Again, a step in the right direction and about time!
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BG
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More info here....
http://newsroom.honda.co.uk/News/Honda-CR-V-and-CR-Z-Take-Centre-Stage-at-Honda-s-2012-Paris-Motor-Show-Display-c3f.aspx
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P54
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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079153_2013-honda-cr-z-preview-2012-paris-auto-show
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bigblue
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Slightly different to what we had before, but similar (grille slats missing, and lower opening a touch larger ?).
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RolledaNsx
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Bad news no "R" is going to be shown at the Paris show just the Civic 1.6 i-DTEC and CR-Z GT.
Hopefully it will be ready for Geneva Show in March 2013.
And it looks like we will see a FWD Roadster built off the CR-Z(Fit)platform. jp-cardesigncorner.blog
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bigblue
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| Mugen RZ
(Score: 1, Normal)
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09-14-2012 14:52 |
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And a Mugen http://www.mugen-power.com/automobile/complete/MUGEN-RZ/
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RolledaNsx
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300 Limited Mugen CR-Z "RZ" coming to Japan this Winter.
$50,500 USD
Horsepower= 156ps +20ps (current 144+14)
Torque= 18.9 + 8.0 kgfm (current 14.8 + 8.0)
Battery Li-ion
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NealX
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In the logo, the angles of the italic "N" and "R" are not in parallel. This has "fail" written all over it.
;-)
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RolledaNsx
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sorry current CR-Z 114 + 14
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RolledaNsx
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And the 2013 CR-Z gains 12 hp.
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NealX
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Crosses fingers for vestigial rear seat...
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KS34
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owequitit
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P54 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
P54 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
1.5L DOHC ED engine and lithium battery is my educated guess.
My friends are mum on it.
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Why not the 1.8 or 2.0 L ED to make it more "sport"?
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It would burn more gas, and make more CO2. You have made it abundantly clear that the only technology that matters for Hondas is the green-weenie pleasing kind.
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Oh, get over it owe, if Honda can't please you go check out the new Ford Mondeo (Fusion) with 1.0L 3 cyl. engine.
And mind you, new sporty Honda's will be clean too. See, they are part of today's society and take responsibility for the regulations that is imposed upon them from the various governments of the world. And still deliver power.
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Nice try, but the difference is that Ford is actually providing OTHER affordable engines that enthusiasts might want. Honda has...virtually nothing.
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DrWhiner
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BG wrote:
More info here....
http://newsroom.honda.co.uk/News/Honda-CR-V-and-CR-Z-Take-Centre-Stage-at-Honda-s-2012-Paris-Motor-Show-Display-c3f.aspx
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"2013 CR-Z
The CR-Z features revisions to the exterior and interior enhancing the styling of the car whilst the power of both the petrol engine an electric motor has been increased without comprising fuel economy or increasing exhaust emissions."
http://www.hondanews.eu/en/news/index.pmode/modul,detail,0,2425-DEFAULT,21,text,1/index.pmode
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P54
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owequitit wrote:
P54 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
P54 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
1.5L DOHC ED engine and lithium battery is my educated guess.
My friends are mum on it.
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Why not the 1.8 or 2.0 L ED to make it more "sport"?
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It would burn more gas, and make more CO2. You have made it abundantly clear that the only technology that matters for Hondas is the green-weenie pleasing kind.
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Oh, get over it owe, if Honda can't please you go check out the new Ford Mondeo (Fusion) with 1.0L 3 cyl. engine.
And mind you, new sporty Honda's will be clean too. See, they are part of today's society and take responsibility for the regulations that is imposed upon them from the various governments of the world. And still deliver power.
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Nice try, but the difference is that Ford is actually providing OTHER affordable engines that enthusiasts might want. Honda has...virtually nothing.
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If Ford has what you want, buy Ford and stop complaining. BTW you can buy a Honda type R (JDM-2007+) and Si engines (2006+) complete in the crate for about 5600 dollars if engines are what you want.
Ford is doing good:
Ford Clinches Pacific Formula F Title, Eastern Series To Be Decided at Finale. Find out what Ford it is.
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musicmanvin
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I don't think they can fix the CR-Z with a MMC.. maybe then next gen can meet the strict requirements.
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WongKN
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RolledaNsx wrote:
And the 2013 CR-Z gains 12 hp.
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Interesting, very interesting. Honda of Europe has officially announced increases in power for both the petrol engine and the IMA electric motor for this MMC CR-Z. So it confirms the insider info provided by our two forumers thus far. Now I am reading an exact figure for the power gain.
RolledaNsx, is this figure you quote only for the petrol engine or is it for the total combined output ? Even if it is a 12hp gain for the total, it will still put the final power of the MMC CR-Z at 136hp which I will openly admit that I have posted in the past as being acceptable to me, when I was 'blasting' the original CR-Z's 'low' max power (~124hp). 136hp will also potentially push the 0-60mph time for the CR-Z MMC down to flat-8 or maybe even just below 8...
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bigblue
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I think I saw 6hp+6hp on some other forum (maybe crzforum.com, or something linked from there), but have no idea how reliable this info is. It's a bit low, +20hp would have been nice (actually I think a 160hp CRZ would be brilliant, but that's a bit of a stretch, seems you'd have to go Mugen RZ/iCF for that). The +6hp electric would tie-in with the Mugen rumour figures (again no proof, maybe someone did the same maths to get the 6hp/6hp split). Still, any increase helps, it might be fractionally lighter too with the new batteries.
I have a question though, how much power is the Earth Dreams 1.5 meant to produce ? If the 6hp+6hp figure is correct (big assumption), I'm guessing that the CRZ is sticking with it's original engine ?
P.S. nice pictures posted earlier in this thread from KS34, haven't seen the interior anywhere else.
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ntua.2002
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...according to November 2011 ED Honda press release, more than 95Kw.
Dimitris.
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Nick GravesX
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...which is 127 BHP (depending...)
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ntua.2002
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...you are right! But here in Europe, the metric system (PS) is in common use from auto companies. So, if 1 PS = 0.73549Kw, then 95Kw equals to 129.2 PS.
Nevetheless, at the crzforum, an increase of 12PS (or hp or whatever...) for the '13 model crz is stated. In any case, we will know in 10 days for sure....
Dimitris.
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P54
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CVT 135 PS/6600rpm
6MT 136 PS/6600rpm
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1095736&page_number=1#1095736
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bigblue
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As you will probably have seen, human668 here http://vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1095734 seems to have the Japanese brochure (or come across pictures of it), and the numbers are 136PS and a useful bump in torque to 190Nm (for the six-speed manual).
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ntua.2002
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...that is that i was referring to! thanx!
The torque is quite impressive :)
Dimitris.
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379kCivic
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So we are talking 136 hp (6sp) and ~140 lb/ft?
Assuming the weight is unchanged at 2657 how much difference could these 11.5%?(hp) & 9.4%?(torque) improvements make in performance assuming no change in gearing, etc?
I am hoping the Li-Ion batteries might drop the weight a touch and further improve the power to weight ratio!
Didn't I also read somewhere about the possibility of the rear backup camera making it to the states? I'm starting to become interested in the 'Z again!
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superchg2
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379kCivic wrote:
So we are talking 136 hp (6sp) and ~140 lb/ft?
Assuming the weight is unchanged at 2657 how much difference could these 11.5%?(hp) & 9.4%?(torque) improvements make in performance assuming no change in gearing, etc?
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Not much!
Where the flock is the supercharger?
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JIRZLEE
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Looks like it revs a bit higher now too.
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owequitit
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P54 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
P54 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
P54 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
1.5L DOHC ED engine and lithium battery is my educated guess.
My friends are mum on it.
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Why not the 1.8 or 2.0 L ED to make it more "sport"?
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It would burn more gas, and make more CO2. You have made it abundantly clear that the only technology that matters for Hondas is the green-weenie pleasing kind.
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Oh, get over it owe, if Honda can't please you go check out the new Ford Mondeo (Fusion) with 1.0L 3 cyl. engine.
And mind you, new sporty Honda's will be clean too. See, they are part of today's society and take responsibility for the regulations that is imposed upon them from the various governments of the world. And still deliver power.
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Nice try, but the difference is that Ford is actually providing OTHER affordable engines that enthusiasts might want. Honda has...virtually nothing.
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If Ford has what you want, buy Ford and stop complaining. BTW you can buy a Honda type R (JDM-2007+) and Si engines (2006+) complete in the crate for about 5600 dollars if engines are what you want.
Ford is doing good:
Ford Clinches Pacific Formula F Title, Eastern Series To Be Decided at Finale. Find out what Ford it is.
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Valiant attempt as usual, but also as usual you still fail.
I didn't say Ford had what I wanted. What I did do is point out the flaw in your pedantic attempt to argue that if we don't like the way Honda's super-shitty hybrid cars are going, then we should go to Ford where they have a 3cyl gas engine (which just might be as good as Honda's shitty 4cyl IMA powertrains for all we know).
To that I politely added that at least Ford also has cars available for enthuisasts, and is at least ATTEMPTING to cater to both demographics. Realistically, Honda is stupid for not trying to do the same because the enthusiasts out buy the Hippies in terms of pure numbers each and every time (with only the Prius as an exception). Therefore, if Market A(enthusiasts) is larger than Market B(hippies) Honda is stupid to spend more money chasing fewer customers. Especially since Market A usually requires less special investment.
However, in either case your point is moot yet again, because all Honda had to so was not make everything so shitty and nobody would have any room to complain, but alas, as usual, you have to continually ignore that to make your fantasy reality work out.
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