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Well, the CR-V has done it. It has defeated the new almighty Escape in Edmunds comparison testing.
http://www.insideline.com/honda/cr-v/2012/2013-ford-escape-vs-2012-honda-cr-v-comparison-test.html
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JR
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Pretty faint praise...
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Inebriated Snake
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I can't stand how only half the time do they actually compare cars apple to apple. They should be comparing things like normal people would with; engines, features, space and pricing. Its like what ever shows up in their driveways gets a comparison.
Car and Driver got a lot of flack in their recent comparo that had a loaded 328 vs a G25. Even though they admitted that the G and A4 handled better they still gave the 3 the win.
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typer_801
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Faint praise indeed....typicall hallmarks of Honda's, powertrain and handling, are both notably below Ford's Escape. Even worse, Not since driving the GMC Terrain have we witnessed such a profound case of upshiftitis. A engine transmission combination hated by auto journalists and enthusiasts. Saying Terrain and CR-V in the same sentence should send quivers down the spines of Honda product planners.
Color me unimpressed with this hollow victory.
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typer_801 wrote:
Faint praise indeed....typicall hallmarks of Honda's, powertrain and handling, are both notably below Ford's Escape. Even worse, Not since driving the GMC Terrain have we witnessed such a profound case of upshiftitis. A engine transmission combination hated by auto journalists and enthusiasts. Saying Terrain and CR-V in the same sentence should send quivers down the spines of Honda product planners.
Color me unimpressed with this hollow victory.
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Now, I will never understand the logic behind many of those comparison tests. As they also said, the turbo dismal FE numbers are also the reason why Ford offers less powerful versions... then why on earth not testing two comparable cars instead of giving us that stupid article whose point is "a 230Hp turbo CUV accelerates better but gets worse FE than a 185Hp NA one"... ?????
Besides, tested at 36+k USD that Escape is already well into the 270Hp V6 RDX territory..., so I really don't think Honda is concerned about any of the power advantage offered by the Ford... specially taking into account how both CR-V and RDX are selling...
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98EX4cyl
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Agreed this is a bogus comparison due to price & engine differences. They chose the wrong Escape for a comparison against the CRV EX-L.
It would have been more interesting to see the Titanium Escape against the RDX Tech. Just to see if it could come anywhere close to justifying its price.
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JimmyEats
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How's the next RAV-4 going to compare?
Besides being boring, numb, and powerful, I expect it to be a strong competitor for the CR-V.
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CivicB18
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"Ford is recalling 8,266 2013 Ford Escapes in the U.S. because improperly installed carpet padding could interfere with braking, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
The defect could increase stopping distances and the risk of a crash, said NHTSA.
Ford said it has not received any reports of increased stopping distance on the affected Escapes."
The heavily revamped and improved Escape seems to be suffering from quality issues as did the improved Ford Focus/Fiesta. I actually like both of those vehicles however it seems that Ford, like Hyundai tries to win consumers over with styling, (available) power and (available) feature content instead of useful and beneficial things like utility, useable space and fuel economy.
Sure, the CRV isn't perfect as I'd like to see the CRV with around 200-220hp and sportier ride/handling characteristics. The EarthDreams implementation should make the CRV better in terms of acceleration and offer even better fuel economy. I just wish Honda would retune the chassis for sportier dynamics with no compromise in ride quality. That would make the CRV even more desirable even though it's a popular chioce currently.
~Patrick
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Hondarulez
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Both are good choices really. But yea, at $36k, it's closer in price to the RDX AWD tech ($40k) than the top of the line CR-V ($31k).
Here is IL's own RDX road test for comparison: http://www.insideline.com/acura/rdx/2013/2013-acura-rdx-full-test.html
0-60mph (with 1ft rollout): 6.2s (vs 7.2s)
1/4 mile: 14.7s@94mph (vs 15.5@87.5mph)
EPA: 19/27/22 (vs 21/28/24)
Real world mpg: 22mpg (20.5mpg)
The test again shows engine downsizing doesn't really work in the real world, with the CR-V beating the Escape convincingly. Not only that, even against the V6-powered RDX, the Escape doesn't have any advantage.
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mobis21
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Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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BachelorFrog
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mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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98EX4cyl
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BachelorFrog wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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+2 I think Ford is overreaching with the Titanium. Perhaps they should have saved that package for a re-badged Lincoln MX? to go up against Audi Q5, MB GLK, RDX, X3, RX350, etc.
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Nobody with any sense would pay $36K for an Escape. Remember this is a Ford so there are all kinds of incentives to knock that price down to something more reasonable. IMO, for $36K I would be looking at an Edge, Murano, Highlander, RDX.
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6SPDTL
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Agree completely.
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ipribadi
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Which is better:
Doors opening unexpectedly
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12832985-honda-recalls-172000-crossovers-luxury-sedans
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Car catching on fire unexpectedly
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12833213-ford-warns-some-escape-owners-to-stop-driving
All jokes aside, yes I agree the Escape's top trim is overreaching. A base RDX at $34K is much7x better.
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KMG1219
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ipribadi wrote:
Which is better:
Doors opening unexpectedly
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12832985-honda-recalls-172000-crossovers-luxury-sedans
or
Car catching on fire unexpectedly
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12833213-ford-warns-some-escape-owners-to-stop-driving
All jokes aside, yes I agree the Escape's top trim is overreaching. A base RDX at $34K is much7x better.
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Well looks like the deeper discounts will come even sooner than I thought.
The 2 recalls in less than a week highlight why you NEVER buy the first model of a new car or atleast give an ample amount of time for the problems to be filtered out in production and corrected.
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Just one problem with the Ford Escape vs. the CRV. After about 5 years, the Escape will be relegated to the junk yard where the metal will be used to make AK-47's in China while the CRV will have it's first tune-up and a trouble-free life.
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Grace141
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98EX4cyl wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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+2 I think Ford is overreaching with the Titanium. Perhaps they should have saved that package for a re-badged Lincoln MX? to go up against Audi Q5, MB GLK, RDX, X3, RX350, etc.
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+3 maybe. I still don't understand why Ford killed off the Mercury brand. I think the Titanium trims are a good idea but the spread on prices from base to Titanium for the Escape and Focus makes a person think of the price range for the F150. There is too big of a leap from the brand image of Ford to what they want Lincoln to be.
And I disagree about the reliability of the Escapes. With two neighbors still driving their Escapes with each having over 200k miles on them (both are 6-cylinders) without any major failures I'd say they're good cars when well maintained.
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98EX4cyl
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Grace141 wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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+2 I think Ford is overreaching with the Titanium. Perhaps they should have saved that package for a re-badged Lincoln MX? to go up against Audi Q5, MB GLK, RDX, X3, RX350, etc.
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+3 maybe. I still don't understand why Ford killed off the Mercury brand. I think the Titanium trims are a good idea but the spread on prices from base to Titanium for the Escape and Focus makes a person think of the price range for the F150. There is too big of a leap from the brand image of Ford to what they want Lincoln to be.
And I disagree about the reliability of the Escapes. With two neighbors still driving their Escapes with each having over 200k miles on them (both are 6-cylinders) without any major failures I'd say they're good cars when well maintained.
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Longevity may not be as much of an issue as it was in the past but Ford just can't roll out an exciting vehicle without a recall or two in the first 6 months. It would be OK if it were something that could be handled by a TSB, that happens to everyone. Recalls are more damaging and can ruin any momentum you've built up through marketing and "free" press accumulated through favorable reviews and comparison tests.
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98EX4cyl
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Basset3 wrote:
Just one problem with the Ford Escape vs. the CRV. After about 5 years, the Escape will be relegated to the junk yard where the metal will be used to make AK-47's in China while the CRV will have it's first tune-up and a trouble-free life.
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Cheers to that!
Our CRV is 7 years old with 84000 miles and so far its needed: one set of tires, 2 sets of front brakes, one set of rear brakes, maybe 3 sets of wiper blades, 2 sets of new headlights, an oil change every 7500 miles, cabin air filter every year, brake fluid every 3 years, tranny fluid at 60000 miles.
The CRV starts, runs, drives, sounds exactly like the day we picked it up.
My only issue with the car has been the rear differential, it didn't come with the right fluid from the factory(their admission) and I had to change the fluid with only 1000 miles on the car, then again at 10,000 miles and 3-4 more times since. Last time they suggested the unit needed to be replaced at a cost of $3000. I asked them to follow the TSB properly which calls for a double fluid change and that has worked for the past 10000 miles.
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Basset3 wrote:
Just one problem with the Ford Escape vs. the CRV. After about 5 years, the Escape will be relegated to the junk yard where the metal will be used to make AK-47's in China while the CRV will have it's first tune-up and a trouble-free life.
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Cheers to that!
Our CRV is 7 years old with 84000 miles and so far its needed: one set of tires, 2 sets of front brakes, one set of rear brakes, maybe 3 sets of wiper blades, 2 sets of new headlights, an oil change every 7500 miles, cabin air filter every year, brake fluid every 3 years, tranny fluid at 60000 miles.
The CRV starts, runs, drives, sounds exactly like the day we picked it up.
My only issue with the car has been the rear differential, it didn't come with the right fluid from the factory(their admission) and I had to change the fluid with only 1000 miles on the car, then again at 10,000 miles and 3-4 more times since. Last time they suggested the unit needed to be replaced at a cost of $3000. I asked them to follow the TSB properly which calls for a double fluid change and that has worked for the past 10000 miles.
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So you have a '05 or '06? What is wrong or doing or not doing? I have a '04 CRV. I'm curious. Can you tell me if you don't mind.
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98EX4cyl
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CR-V9 wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Basset3 wrote:
Just one problem with the Ford Escape vs. the CRV. After about 5 years, the Escape will be relegated to the junk yard where the metal will be used to make AK-47's in China while the CRV will have it's first tune-up and a trouble-free life.
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Cheers to that!
Our CRV is 7 years old with 84000 miles and so far its needed: one set of tires, 2 sets of front brakes, one set of rear brakes, maybe 3 sets of wiper blades, 2 sets of new headlights, an oil change every 7500 miles, cabin air filter every year, brake fluid every 3 years, tranny fluid at 60000 miles.
The CRV starts, runs, drives, sounds exactly like the day we picked it up.
My only issue with the car has been the rear differential, it didn't come with the right fluid from the factory(their admission) and I had to change the fluid with only 1000 miles on the car, then again at 10,000 miles and 3-4 more times since. Last time they suggested the unit needed to be replaced at a cost of $3000. I asked them to follow the TSB properly which calls for a double fluid change and that has worked for the past 10000 miles.
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So you have a '05 or '06? What is wrong or doing or not doing? I have a '04 CRV. I'm curious. Can you tell me if you don't mind.
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I have an 05 CRV SE AWD. You shouldn't worry, RTAWD was changed for 05 and i believe again in 2010 for introduction of the Crosstour. As part of the 05 change they changed the rear diff fluid but the factory perhaps didn't get the memo.
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98EX4cyl, thank you for your reply.
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98EX4cyl
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Grace141 wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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+2 I think Ford is overreaching with the Titanium. Perhaps they should have saved that package for a re-badged Lincoln MX? to go up against Audi Q5, MB GLK, RDX, X3, RX350, etc.
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+3 maybe. I still don't understand why Ford killed off the Mercury brand. I think the Titanium trims are a good idea but the spread on prices from base to Titanium for the Escape and Focus makes a person think of the price range for the F150. There is too big of a leap from the brand image of Ford to what they want Lincoln to be.
And I disagree about the reliability of the Escapes. With two neighbors still driving their Escapes with each having over 200k miles on them (both are 6-cylinders) without any major failures I'd say they're good cars when well maintained.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/06/hyundai-prices-2013-santa-fe-sport-from-24-450/
Well the Ford Escape Titanium is going to have company at the top of the price ladder. The 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe fully optioned will go for over $36,000 MSRP.
Plus this is for the 'Sport' 5 passenger turbo-4 version. Pricing still hasn't been announced for the larger/regular Santa Fe with V6 and 3 rows.
Can't wait for the comparison tests of the base models. As I said before when discussing the Titanium, $36k is just too much for a Santa Fe or an Escape when the RDX exists.
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Hondarulez
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Grace141 wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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+2 I think Ford is overreaching with the Titanium. Perhaps they should have saved that package for a re-badged Lincoln MX? to go up against Audi Q5, MB GLK, RDX, X3, RX350, etc.
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+3 maybe. I still don't understand why Ford killed off the Mercury brand. I think the Titanium trims are a good idea but the spread on prices from base to Titanium for the Escape and Focus makes a person think of the price range for the F150. There is too big of a leap from the brand image of Ford to what they want Lincoln to be.
And I disagree about the reliability of the Escapes. With two neighbors still driving their Escapes with each having over 200k miles on them (both are 6-cylinders) without any major failures I'd say they're good cars when well maintained.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/06/hyundai-prices-2013-santa-fe-sport-from-24-450/
Well the Ford Escape Titanium is going to have company at the top of the price ladder. The 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe fully optioned will go for over $36,000 MSRP.
Plus this is for the 'Sport' 5 passenger turbo-4 version. Pricing still hasn't been announced for the larger/regular Santa Fe with V6 and 3 rows.
Can't wait for the comparison tests of the base models. As I said before when discussing the Titanium, $36k is just too much for a Santa Fe or an Escape when the RDX exists.
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yea.....Acura badge might not be much, but I think people would prefer driving in an Acura rather than a $36k Hyundai/Ford CUV......I think those models serve as a way to build brand reputation.
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xBeastx
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Hondarulez wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Grace141 wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Sorry, but the Escape at over $36K...I'm buying a BMW X1 or an Acura RDX for that money.
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+1 and you get will better customer service too..
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+2 I think Ford is overreaching with the Titanium. Perhaps they should have saved that package for a re-badged Lincoln MX? to go up against Audi Q5, MB GLK, RDX, X3, RX350, etc.
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+3 maybe. I still don't understand why Ford killed off the Mercury brand. I think the Titanium trims are a good idea but the spread on prices from base to Titanium for the Escape and Focus makes a person think of the price range for the F150. There is too big of a leap from the brand image of Ford to what they want Lincoln to be.
And I disagree about the reliability of the Escapes. With two neighbors still driving their Escapes with each having over 200k miles on them (both are 6-cylinders) without any major failures I'd say they're good cars when well maintained.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/06/hyundai-prices-2013-santa-fe-sport-from-24-450/
Well the Ford Escape Titanium is going to have company at the top of the price ladder. The 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe fully optioned will go for over $36,000 MSRP.
Plus this is for the 'Sport' 5 passenger turbo-4 version. Pricing still hasn't been announced for the larger/regular Santa Fe with V6 and 3 rows.
Can't wait for the comparison tests of the base models. As I said before when discussing the Titanium, $36k is just too much for a Santa Fe or an Escape when the RDX exists.
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yea.....Acura badge might not be much, but I think people would prefer driving in an Acura rather than a $36k Hyundai/Ford CUV......I think those models serve as a way to build brand reputation.
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Because if you drive an Acura, you can tell everyone you drive a luxury car, even if it's the $25k ILX. I just can't see someone calling their $45k minivan a luxury car.
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While my 2002 CR-V has reached almost 100K with no major issues, it does have to go back to the dealer multiple times for recalls. So in general I do agree that one must be a bit careful with 1st year models, especially if there are significantly powertrain changes.
That is the case with the '02 CR-V, and the new Escape. Of course, long term reliability has been very solid for all the CR-Vs, and perhaps reasonably good with Escape also (relatively simple tech). Sample size of a couple of neighbors don't mean much.
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