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I think it's pretty cool of Acura to work with the headlights independent of the Adui LED craze. It's a bit weird, but it'll be unmistakeable on the road at night. I guess it's these little things that will have to differentiate it because that shape is honestly quite mundane...
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Chocs
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nj wrote:
...because that shape is honestly quite mundane...
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BalIermd
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nj wrote:
I think it's pretty cool of Acura to work with the headlights independent of the Adui LED craze. It's a bit weird, but it'll be unmistakeable on the road at night. I guess it's these little things that will have to differentiate it because that shape is honestly quite mundane...
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Yup looks like Jewel LED headlights made it pretty much unchanged from the concept but they added some illuminated (halogen) turn signals at the bottom. I guess (and hope) the Jewel Headlights also serve as the DRLs and not the turn signals...
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DCR
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Acura could have been very creative with LED tech, but with Audi so far ahead, you can't do much of anything without being accused of directly ripping them off.
Unfortunate for Acura however, is that this territory is all Audi. They were the innovators in this space, and really do some creative things with the application.
http://www.21ledonline.com/nd4077.htm
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I'm hoping all the lights on this car are LED's. I never did understand why Acura implemented LED taillights while the turn signals were regular bulbs. For me it's either full LED or dont offer them at all. At the moment I'm trying to find a company that will convert my 08 TL's front/rear turn signals into LED's as the rear tails and side markers are LED.
~Patrick
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revvin
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Good road presence is eminently important in a flagship car.
We have some hope in that respect this time.
Just hope it doesn't come across as similar to the outgoing ls450.
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It's okay, Acura can play the projector lamp card.
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Harvey Jr
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CivicB18 wrote:
I'm hoping all the lights on this car are LED's. I never did understand why Acura implemented LED taillights while the turn signals were regular bulbs. For me it's either full LED or dont offer them at all. At the moment I'm trying to find a company that will convert my 08 TL's front/rear turn signals into LED's as the rear tails and side markers are LED.
~Patrick
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I've been researching converting our '06 Pilot to HID and all LED (inside and out) for some time now.
This thread has some info and examples from buyers, and look at the last post there are discount coupons regularly posted by the guy who maintains the thread (really great guy to ask questions, super responsive and knowledgeable).
www.xenondepot.com
They have TONS of LED kits, and individual bulbs. If you email them, they can help you narrow down the choices to fit the look that you're going for.
For instance, turn signals that go from incandescent to LED will have a flash rate problem. It will flash faster like it does when you have a turn signal bulb burned out. There is a resistor that you can put in that will help.
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I think it's quite new, but IMO I think they would look better staggered instead of stacked on top of each other...
instead of :
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like this:
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NSXforever
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Lexus actually debuted LED headlights first on the LS 600hL. Now the CT, HS, LS, RX, GS offer it as an option. Audi offered the first high and lowbeam LED setup and of course pushed LED daytime running lights to the forefront. Now everyone from Porsche, Audi, Benz, Lexus, BMW to even Ford, Hyundai, Subie offer LEDs....
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NSXforever wrote:
Lexus actually debuted LED headlights first on the LS 600hL. Now the CT, HS, LS, RX, GS offer it as an option. Audi offered the first high and lowbeam LED setup and of course pushed LED daytime running lights to the forefront. Now everyone from Porsche, Audi, Benz, Lexus, BMW to even Ford, Hyundai, Subie offer LEDs....
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I agrere but other than the A8 I believe the RLX will be the first to offer led headlights standard. I love Audi led treatment but hate how everyone else is copying their style, I am glad Acura chose a different route, the leds on the Lexus vechicles look tacked on, but I give them credit for updating mid cycle (pays to have money).
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LED headlights may look cool and be nice to brag about but they have a lot of issues that require expensive complicated solutions to address. They really don't have any distinct advantages as of now over modern HIDs for all the complication and cost required. If anything goes wrong with the LED headlight assembly it is going to be incredibly expensive to fix. LED headlights and what has to go into making them work efficiently and reliably are very different from low output LED side markers, interior, and rear lights.
I would rather Honda put the money into other parts of the RLX then fancy complicated LED headlights that are unlikely to offer any real advantage over a HID system.
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DCR
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lexusgs wrote:
LED headlights may look cool and be nice to brag about but they have a lot of issues that require expensive complicated solutions to address. They really don't have any distinct advantages as of now over modern HIDs for all the complication and cost required. If anything goes wrong with the LED headlight assembly it is going to be incredibly expensive to fix. LED headlights and what has to go into making them work efficiently and reliably are very different from low output LED side markers, interior, and rear lights.
I would rather Honda put the money into other parts of the RLX then fancy complicated LED headlights that are unlikely to offer any real advantage over a HID system.
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I built a custom LED aquarium light, 24 CREE LED lights, 3W each, on stars mounted to a heatsink. They were about $7 each, and lumens/watt they destroy any other lighting available, offering lower power consumption, zero heat transfer, and incredible output. If you open the hood on my tank and look at this array, you can't see for an hour.
That said, these things are random as hell. I am running two independent Meanwell dimmable drivers that control each string, with strong electronics and near zero ripple, but every once in awhile an LED will just roast and disable my series string. I have been running on 12 blues for over a year because I am sick of fucking around with dis-assembly to replace one LED star in the string.
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DCR
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Shot of how it looks lifted:
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CarPhreakD
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CivicB18 wrote:
I'm hoping all the lights on this car are LED's. I never did understand why Acura implemented LED taillights while the turn signals were regular bulbs. For me it's either full LED or dont offer them at all. At the moment I'm trying to find a company that will convert my 08 TL's front/rear turn signals into LED's as the rear tails and side markers are LED.
~Patrick
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Because unless you get the correct wattage ones (which are quite expensive), they will get washed out in the sunlight. You can find plug and play bulb replacements everywhere on the internet.
Harvey Jr wrote:
For instance, turn signals that go from incandescent to LED will have a flash rate problem. It will flash faster like it does when you have a turn signal bulb burned out. There is a resistor that you can put in that will help.
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Don't do that. The resistor will get hot (where do you think the extra wattage goes?), and may cause a fire. I've seen it happen.
Use a proper electronic flasher relay.
As for LEDs in car headlights, the DRL/turn signal clusters you find in Audis are overplayed. Frankly I think at this point that they're tacky as hell (yet for some reason, I don't feel the same about BMW's angel eye CCFLs).
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DCR wrote:
I built a custom LED aquarium light, 24 CREE LED lights, 3W each, on stars mounted to a heatsink. They were about $7 each, and lumens/watt they destroy any other lighting available, offering lower power consumption, zero heat transfer, and incredible output. If you open the hood on my tank and look at this array, you can't see for an hour.
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The last time I checked, aquarium lights were designed to be beneficial for the fish and plants. Living things need full spectrum light. Are you sure about doing this?
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lexusgs
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DCR wrote:
lexusgs wrote:
LED headlights may look cool and be nice to brag about but they have a lot of issues that require expensive complicated solutions to address. They really don't have any distinct advantages as of now over modern HIDs for all the complication and cost required. If anything goes wrong with the LED headlight assembly it is going to be incredibly expensive to fix. LED headlights and what has to go into making them work efficiently and reliably are very different from low output LED side markers, interior, and rear lights.
I would rather Honda put the money into other parts of the RLX then fancy complicated LED headlights that are unlikely to offer any real advantage over a HID system.
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I built a custom LED aquarium light, 24 CREE LED lights, 3W each, on stars mounted to a heatsink. They were about $7 each, and lumens/watt they destroy any other lighting available, offering lower power consumption, zero heat transfer, and incredible output. If you open the hood on my tank and look at this array, you can't see for an hour.
That said, these things are random as hell. I am running two independent Meanwell dimmable drivers that control each string, with strong electronics and near zero ripple, but every once in awhile an LED will just roast and disable my series string. I have been running on 12 blues for over a year because I am sick of fucking around with dis-assembly to replace one LED star in the string.
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Look how expensive LED lighting units are for aquariums. They are much more complicated then your typical inexpensive small low power LED bulbs like in flashlights and most HID units. Those stronger LEDs for coral growth are very expensive and actually get very hot too(the LED wavelength does not heat the water though) requiring complicated methods to keep them from overheating and the unit cooler like a heatsink. For car headlight use they need to be even bigger, stronger, and more complicated which makes them very expensive to the point where it is not really worth all the expense and trouble over less expensive simpler HID units that provide just as much or more light. That is why automakers are not quickly adopting LED headlight units like they did with HID, there is no real advantage, it is more cosmetic and bragging. They are more popular in Europe for daytime use to reduce power/gas consumption.
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DCR
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Waldo wrote:
The last time I checked, aquarium lights were designed to be beneficial for the fish and plants. Living things need full spectrum light. Are you sure about doing this?
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Doing or did? My LED light has been running for almost two years now, and honestly, the only problem I have is too much coral growth from them.
This is all you need to learn about it:
http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=186982
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NSXforever
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Not having LED lights is simply being behind the curve. Even refrigerators have them now. The benefits far outweigh the negatives and the leaders in the auto industry already have them and continue to offer them.
Even from a design standpoint, LED lights are smaller so it allows designers to make more interesting rear/headlights.
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lexusgs
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NSXforever wrote:
Not having LED lights is simply being behind the curve. Even refrigerators have them now. The benefits far outweigh the negatives and the leaders in the auto industry already have them and continue to offer them.
Even from a design standpoint, LED lights are smaller so it allows designers to make more interesting rear/headlights.
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You don't seem to have grasped the difference between LED headlights and much cheaper less complicated smaller LEDs in interior/tail lights/markers/refrigerators that we are talking about. There is a huge difference between a high output LED headlight/assembly to illuminate the road ahead and much smaller cheaper low output LEDs used in taillights, interior, visibility/decorations like Audi's eyelash LED strip assemblies in their headlights.
Not having LED "HEAD"lights is not behind the curve at all, hardly anyone is offering them. Nobody buys the LS hybrid and they are mostly expensive options on very few cars like higher end Audis and some hybrids. The R8 V10 has the first ALL LED headlight unit standard, they are about a $5000(they need built in fans to cool them) option on the R8 V8 and some other Audi's which is a complete waste of money.
The benefits of LED headlights don't come close to outweighing the disadvantages. Where do you get your information? The biggest disadvantage LED headlights have now is the extremely high price and complication/expense in cooling them/keeping them at a constant temperature. LED headlights don't have any real advantage in outward illumination over HID, most don't even put out as much light, they may be smaller but headlight assemblies have not shrunk due to their smaller size as LED units are retrofitted on larger assemblies normally housing HIDs. Power consumption is lower with LEDs but does not come close to offering any real savings in fuel. They last longer but are much more expensive to replace if they go out. If their advantages far outweighed their disadvantages they would not be so rare and would be quickly adopted.
Honda and Acura models have had LEDs in taillights, interiors, for a while just like most manufacturers. Many are making a big deal out of the LED headlight assembly in the RLX which may look cool but it is also going to be extremely expensive and complicated and is not going to offer any real distinct advantage over a good Xenon unit. I would rather the money be spent in other areas then a fancy expensive light assembly.
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Mikeydred
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lexusgs wrote:
NSXforever wrote:
Not having LED lights is simply being behind the curve. Even refrigerators have them now. The benefits far outweigh the negatives and the leaders in the auto industry already have them and continue to offer them.
Even from a design standpoint, LED lights are smaller so it allows designers to make more interesting rear/headlights.
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You don't seem to have grasped the difference between LED headlights and much cheaper less complicated smaller LEDs in interior/tail lights/markers/refrigerators that we are talking about. There is a huge difference between a high output LED headlight/assembly to illuminate the road ahead and much smaller cheaper low output LEDs used in taillights, interior, visibility/decorations like Audi's eyelash LED strip assemblies in their headlights.
Not having LED "HEAD"lights is not behind the curve at all, hardly anyone is offering them. Nobody buys the LS hybrid and they are mostly expensive options on very few cars like higher end Audis and some hybrids. The R8 V10 has the first ALL LED headlight unit standard, they are about a $5000(they need built in fans to cool them) option on the R8 V8 and some other Audi's which is a complete waste of money.
The benefits of LED headlights don't come close to outweighing the disadvantages. Where do you get your information? The biggest disadvantage LED headlights have now is the extremely high price and complication/expense in cooling them/keeping them at a constant temperature. LED headlights don't have any real advantage in outward illumination over HID, most don't even put out as much light, they may be smaller but headlight assemblies have not shrunk due to their smaller size as LED units are retrofitted on larger assemblies normally housing HIDs. Power consumption is lower with LEDs but does not come close to offering any real savings in fuel. They last longer but are much more expensive to replace if they go out. If their advantages far outweighed their disadvantages they would not be so rare and would be quickly adopted.
Honda and Acura models have had LEDs in taillights, interiors, for a while just like most manufacturers. Many are making a big deal out of the LED headlight assembly in the RLX which may look cool but it is also going to be extremely expensive and complicated and is not going to offer any real distinct advantage over a good Xenon unit. I would rather the money be spent in other areas then a fancy expensive light assembly.
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But you have to admit it’s a cool separating factor and I'm sure there will be other surprises in the interior as well! From the NY show as I stated previously rear passenger entertainment does not appear to have been a priority, however.
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