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Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 14:53
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Verano 3,609
CT 1,549 +214.9%
ILX 168 (34 hybrids)

TSX 2,880 +51,8% (390 wagons +85.6%)
IS 2,656 +43%
Regal 2,550 -40%
A3 629 -5.3%
1series 628 +51.7%

Cclass 6,649 +34.7%
3series 6,321 -22.1%
LaCrosse 5,663 +18.6%
CTS 4,161 -3%
G 3,758 +40%; coupe 1,437 +23.1%
TL 3,262 +37.1%
A4 3,058 -4.2%
ES 2,937 +13%
MKZ 2,458 -2.6%

5series 6,102 +45.3%
Eclass 5,576 -3%
GS 1,996 +502.1%
A6 1,693 +260.2%
MKS 1,128 +24.2%
M 866 +20.1%
RL 50 -20.4%

7series 1,169 -15.7%
Sclass 1,022 +17.2%
A8 528 -6.7%
LS 459 -27.6%

RX 10,647 +68.1%
RDX 3,301 +192.4%
X3 2,460 +4.7%
Q5 2,332 +5%
GLK 2,133 -3.7%
EX 298 -32.4%

Enclave 6,709 +55.2%
MDX 4,841 +16.9%
SRX 3,900 -.3%
X5 3,730 +39%
Mclass 3,198 +65.9%
JX 2,678
MKX 2,197 +26.7%
Q7 919 -8.8%
GX 808 +17.5%
FX 561 -6%

X6 749 +31.4%
ZDX 84 -39.4%


Versa 8,643 +80.3%
Sonic 7,205
Accent 6,166
Fiesta 6,080 -14.6%
Rio 4,019
Fit 3,879 -39.5%
Golf 3,878 +11.1%
Yaris 3,521 +92.3%
SX4 1,101 -1%
2 901 -21.1%

Civic 33,490 +68.6% (708 hybrids +143.9%)
Corolla 31,847 +73.3%
Focus 24,769 +11.1%
Cruze 19,613 -13.6%
Elantra 18,877
Jetta 15,175 -9%
3 8,474 -3.6%
Forte 7,782
Sentra 7,600 -1.3%
Impreza 6,786 +235.8%; WRX 1,525 +158.9%

Camry 39,571 +94%
Accord 29,737 +61.3%
Malibu 29,579 +15.5%
Fusion 26,857 +8.9%
Altima 22,690 -11.1%
Sonata 20,765
Optima 13,364
200 13,250 +87%
Avenger 10,682 +93%
Passat 10,178
Legacy 4,462 +23.3%
Kizashi 599 -4%

Impala 15,879 -5%
Taurus 6,844 +9%
Charger 6,735 -14%
300 6,101 +140%
Maxima 4,565 +6.3%
6 2,294 +40%
Avalon 1,959 -14.4%
Azera 1,053

Prius 21,477 +186.3%
Volt 1,680 +249.3%
Insight 512 -67.1%
LEAF 510 -55.3%
CR-Z 296 -82.5%

Mustang 10,427 +57.8%
Camaro 9,023 -4.5%
Challenger 4,816 +41%
Genesis 3,828
370z 903 +6.6%
FR-S 86

OutBack 9,192 +9%
Venza 3,608 +3.8%
CrossTour 2,015 +59.4%

Veloster 3,624
Juke 3,298 +66.2%

Soul 10,146
xB 1,855 _45.4%
Cube 724 -51.8%

CR-V 25,186 +42.6%
Escape 23,077 -.3%
Equinox 19,613 -13.6%
Rav4 19,248 +106%
Rogue 11,977 +72%
Forester 7,323 +41%
Tucson 4,644
CX-5 3,973
Sportage 3,467
Tiguan 2,475 -19.9%
CX-7 1,320 -32.7%
Grand Vitara 474 +25%

Explorer 14,662 +10.1%
Edge 11,749 +23.9%
HighLander 11,657 +87%
Sorento 11,077
Pilot 10,749 +15.9%
Traverse 9,853 +36.7%
SantaFe 6,884
Murano 4,550 +34.5%
Durango 3,848 -12%
CX-9 1,724 -4%
Veracruz 827
Toureg 700 +20.5%
Tribeca 165 -10.3%

Sienna 14,606 +56.4%
Caravan 12,418 +32%
Odyssey 12,348 +31%
Town & Country 10,323 +56%
Flex 3,818 +40.4%
Sedona 1,916
Quest 1,802 +106.4%
5 1,049 -35.6%
Routan 850 +40.4%
40mpg
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 15:14
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Ah... The numbers that I always look forward every month. Thanks, TSX69!

Having said that, looking at the mid-size class, I am sweating to see the next gen Accord as Honda cannot really cannot afford a 5+ years mistake this time. The numbers are so close, and the competitions are right behind the tail.
ldvknight
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 15:29
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86 FR-S. My cousin was first on the waiting list for the FR-S, a white one, then the dealership owner screwed him and brought it for himself.
TSX69
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 15:39
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Woops - missed the new Subaru BRZ:

Mustang 10,427 +57.8%
Camaro 9,023 -4.5%
Challenger 4,816 +41%
Genesis 3,828
370z 903 +6.6%
BRZ 271
FR-S 86

dominik331
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 16:12
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TSX69 wrote:
Woops - missed the new Subaru BRZ:

Mustang 10,427 +57.8%
Camaro 9,023 -4.5%
Challenger 4,816 +41%
Genesis 3,828
370z 903 +6.6%
BRZ 271
FR-S 86




FR-S 86. Seriously? as in Toyota GT86. LOL
MalcolmR
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 16:14
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.
Same here
Ah... The numbers that I always look forward every month. Thanks, TSX69!
Much appreciated TSX69. Thank you.

Malcolm

:)
ipribadi
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2012 23:57
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TSX69 as always thanks.

I can't help to stop and think; since when did Buick sell so many cars ?
Verano, Regal, Lacrosse, Enclave .. that's about 18,000 units per month! There's not one dead model in Buick's lineup!!

And all this was done in the past 4-5 years I believe? Seriously, Acura should recruit their product planners! Buick build cars that people want; right size, features, performance level, price, looks ...
Now technology and manufacturing wise ... Buick is far behind Acura, but isn't that even more tragic for Acura?

I remember when Buick was about to debut the Verano and I thought to myself .. yeah right, I doubt Buick would be able to pull it off, but now its sales is 1,200 cars over the TSX!
Ditto for the Enclave that trumps the MDX by 2,000 units per month!
None of these models existed several years back. How is this done? Why can't Acura do the same?
Ganplosive
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 10:55
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thanks TSX!
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 11:22
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Thanks TSX69, I always find the comparison #s very informative.

Since Chrysler is on an uptrend, I noticed that the #s for the Grand Cherokee are missing, although you have #s for other Chrysler models.

Looks like Jetta sales peaked last year, and they will keep going down.
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 11:34
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TSX69
TSX69 wrote:
Verano 3,609
CT 1,549 +214.9%
ILX 168 (34 hybrids)

TSX 2,880 +51,8% (390 wagons +85.6%)
IS 2,656 +43%
Regal 2,550 -40%
A3 629 -5.3%
1series 628 +51.7%

Cclass 6,649 +34.7%
3series 6,321 -22.1%
LaCrosse 5,663 +18.6%
CTS 4,161 -3%
G 3,758 +40%; coupe 1,437 +23.1%
TL 3,262 +37.1%
A4 3,058 -4.2%
ES 2,937 +13%
MKZ 2,458 -2.6%

5series 6,102 +45.3%
Eclass 5,576 -3%
GS 1,996 +502.1%
A6 1,693 +260.2%
MKS 1,128 +24.2%
M 866 +20.1%
RL 50 -20.4%

7series 1,169 -15.7%
Sclass 1,022 +17.2%
A8 528 -6.7%
LS 459 -27.6%

RX 10,647 +68.1%
RDX 3,301 +192.4%
X3 2,460 +4.7%
Q5 2,332 +5%
GLK 2,133 -3.7%
EX 298 -32.4%

Enclave 6,709 +55.2%
MDX 4,841 +16.9%
SRX 3,900 -.3%
X5 3,730 +39%
Mclass 3,198 +65.9%
JX 2,678
MKX 2,197 +26.7%
Q7 919 -8.8%
GX 808 +17.5%
FX 561 -6%

X6 749 +31.4%
ZDX 84 -39.4%


Versa 8,643 +80.3%
Sonic 7,205
Accent 6,166
Fiesta 6,080 -14.6%
Rio 4,019
Fit 3,879 -39.5%
Golf 3,878 +11.1%
Yaris 3,521 +92.3%
SX4 1,101 -1%
2 901 -21.1%

Civic 33,490 +68.6% (708 hybrids +143.9%)
Corolla 31,847 +73.3%
Focus 24,769 +11.1%
Cruze 19,613 -13.6%
Elantra 18,877
Jetta 15,175 -9%
3 8,474 -3.6%
Forte 7,782
Sentra 7,600 -1.3%
Impreza 6,786 +235.8%; WRX 1,525 +158.9%

Camry 39,571 +94%
Accord 29,737 +61.3%
Malibu 29,579 +15.5%
Fusion 26,857 +8.9%
Altima 22,690 -11.1%
Sonata 20,765
Optima 13,364
200 13,250 +87%
Avenger 10,682 +93%
Passat 10,178
Legacy 4,462 +23.3%
Kizashi 599 -4%

Impala 15,879 -5%
Taurus 6,844 +9%
Charger 6,735 -14%
300 6,101 +140%
Maxima 4,565 +6.3%
6 2,294 +40%
Avalon 1,959 -14.4%
Azera 1,053

Prius 21,477 +186.3%
Volt 1,680 +249.3%
Insight 512 -67.1%
LEAF 510 -55.3%
CR-Z 296 -82.5%

Mustang 10,427 +57.8%
Camaro 9,023 -4.5%
Challenger 4,816 +41%
Genesis 3,828
370z 903 +6.6%
FR-S 86

OutBack 9,192 +9%
Venza 3,608 +3.8%
CrossTour 2,015 +59.4%

Veloster 3,624
Juke 3,298 +66.2%

Soul 10,146
xB 1,855 _45.4%
Cube 724 -51.8%

CR-V 25,186 +42.6%
Escape 23,077 -.3%
Equinox 19,613 -13.6%
Rav4 19,248 +106%
Rogue 11,977 +72%
Forester 7,323 +41%
Tucson 4,644
CX-5 3,973
Sportage 3,467
Tiguan 2,475 -19.9%
CX-7 1,320 -32.7%
Grand Vitara 474 +25%

Explorer 14,662 +10.1%
Edge 11,749 +23.9%
HighLander 11,657 +87%
Sorento 11,077
Pilot 10,749 +15.9%
Traverse 9,853 +36.7%
SantaFe 6,884
Murano 4,550 +34.5%
Durango 3,848 -12%
CX-9 1,724 -4%
Veracruz 827
Toureg 700 +20.5%
Tribeca 165 -10.3%

Sienna 14,606 +56.4%
Caravan 12,418 +32%
Odyssey 12,348 +31%
Town & Country 10,323 +56%
Flex 3,818 +40.4%
Sedona 1,916
Quest 1,802 +106.4%
5 1,049 -35.6%
Routan 850 +40.4%


TSX69................

Like I thanked jero........I know it takes a LOT of time to put this stuff together. I want to thank you too, you REALLY don't know how much this helps me sell cars. I show this to customers that come in and tell me, "OH, the Nissan Rogue is the best selling compact SUV in it's class, the Nissan dealer told me"........All I do is pull up your numbers........and 10 min later I am printing up a contract.......

SO, THANKS BROTHER...........You are GREATLY appreciated..........
DCR
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 12:39
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The sales numbers of a car factor in to a purchase decision? What kind of people live in Ohio?
TSX69
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 15:49
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You're welcome all. Btw, I noticed I had the 6 in the full-size instead of mid-size. As for the Grand Cherokee, I assume that is a SUV (not CUV) & I don't typically do those due to lack of interest. Here are Chrysler's #s tho if it helps:

Colin
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 16:45
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DCR wrote:
The sales numbers of a car factor in to a purchase decision? What kind of people live in Ohio?

Maybe some people don't like to be lied to?
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 16:51
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DCR wrote:
The sales numbers of a car factor in to a purchase decision? What kind of people live in Ohio?

There must be a lot of Joneses.
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 18:01
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DCR wrote:
The sales numbers of a car factor in to a purchase decision? What kind of people live in Ohio?

DCR.....

Some sales people, me not being one of them, will do or say anything to sell a car. That entails lying, cheating and yes, telling a customer that their car is the #1 seller. Some people will just take that an run with it and trust the dirt bag and think they are driving the most popular car. Others will shop and ask ME, "Does Honda sell a lot of CRV's?" My reply would be, most of the year, the CRV out sells anything in it's class" and their reply is, "Well I was at Nissan and the sales person there said that the Rogue out sells every car in it's class every month and is the highest rated car in it's class"........

So I whip out TX list and they see it coming from TOV, so I am not pulling it from some saved documents on my PC, and they are like........"That guy at Nissan lied to us......... " and my reply is always, "well, I never want to make anyone look to be the bad guy, all I am doing is correcting information that was given to you, maybe he was misinformed in his research." I always try to shine and not discredit the other guy too bad, I let them do that.........

Knowledge is KING DCR!
Powered by Honda
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 19:29
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how did the 3 series lose to C-class this month? Because of the switch over of new model and lack of supply???
Hondu
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 20:14
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Powered by Honda wrote:
how did the 3 series lose to C-class this month? Because of the switch over of new model and lack of supply???


Or sticker shock...

It seemed before the new model it was easy to equip a 3-series decent in 36-38K range (328i). Now, it is very hard to get one below $41K (if you want Sport, Modern, Luxury pkgs at least)
jero
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 21:16
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Look at that Veloster... ~going to hit 40k+ for the year?!

Damn.
BananaBoy2601
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 22:27
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Thanks again as always TSX69.

If the CR-Z was done right I believe it could be doing Veloster numbers.
MalcolmR
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-02-2012 23:02
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
DCR wrote:
The sales numbers of a car factor in to a purchase decision? What kind of people live in Ohio?

DCR.....

Some sales people, me not being one of them, will do or say anything to sell a car. That entails lying, cheating and yes, telling a customer that their car is the #1 seller. Some people will just take that an run with it and trust the dirt bag and think they are driving the most popular car. Others will shop and ask ME, "Does Honda sell a lot of CRV's?" My reply would be, most of the year, the CRV out sells anything in it's class" and their reply is, "Well I was at Nissan and the sales person there said that the Rogue out sells every car in it's class every month and is the highest rated car in it's class"........

So I whip out TX list and they see it coming from TOV, so I am not pulling it from some saved documents on my PC, and they are like........"That guy at Nissan lied to us......... " and my reply is always, "well, I never want to make anyone look to be the bad guy, all I am doing is correcting information that was given to you, maybe he was misinformed in his research." I always try to shine and not discredit the other guy too bad, I let them do that.........

Knowledge is KING DCR!


.
Exactly as Colin said.

When someone tells us a lie, how can we trust them on the other information they tell us? We can't.

So we ditch them.

Humans generally dislike uncertainty.

Malcolm

:)
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-03-2012 05:50
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I agree... with bananaboy. There is no reason why Honda can't hit the enthusiast niche enough to sell one month worth of Civics spread out over 12 months.

I think there is a very real chance the CR-Z will sell fewer units in a year than the veloster will sell in 2 months.

TSX69
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 10:44
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Mercedes Leads BMW in US Sales
U.S. sales of Mercedes vehicles rose to 22,515 last month while BMW deliveries increased 7.3 percent to 22,168, according to statements yesterday from the companies. Lexus and Mercedes- Benz increased incentives 37 percent and 23 percent compared to BMWs 0.8 percent gain, according to Santa Monica, California- based researcher TrueCar.com.
TSX69
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 10:58
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US Auto Incentives Up 3.9% in May from April
Honda Motor Co. (HMC, 7267.TO) was the only auto maker to see a sequential decline incentive spending, reporting a 1.3% decrease.


http://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-incentives-tick-up-in-may-after-hitting-seven-year-low-says-edmundscom.html
Chrysler $2,567 $2,535 $2,400 1.3% 7.0%
Ford $2,594 $2,373 $2,475 9.3% 4.8%
GM $3,417 $3,339 $3,245 2.3% 5.3%
Honda $1,207 $1,223 $983 -1.3% 22.8%
Nissan $2,260 $2,073 $2,221 9.0% 1.8%
Toyota $1,458 $1,374 $1,250 6.1% 16.6%
Industry $2,135 $2,055 $2,122 3.9% 0.6%

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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 13:04
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ipribadi wrote:
TSX69 as always thanks.

I can't help to stop and think; since when did Buick sell so many cars ?
Verano, Regal, Lacrosse, Enclave .. that's about 18,000 units per month! There's not one dead model in Buick's lineup!!

And all this was done in the past 4-5 years I believe? Seriously, Acura should recruit their product planners! Buick build cars that people want; right size, features, performance level, price, looks ...
Now technology and manufacturing wise ... Buick is far behind Acura, but isn't that even more tragic for Acura?

I remember when Buick was about to debut the Verano and I thought to myself .. yeah right, I doubt Buick would be able to pull it off, but now its sales is 1,200 cars over the TSX!
Ditto for the Enclave that trumps the MDX by 2,000 units per month!
None of these models existed several years back. How is this done? Why can't Acura do the same?



Well, GM simply used designs from Opel from Europe for their cars. The Verano is based on the Opel Astra, the Regal is based on the Opel Insignia, and the Lacrosse's platform, Epsilon II, is also from Opel. GM is just being smarter with their resources. It sure took them a long time to realize they have the right ingredients from their European cousin the whole time! Kinda like Ford USA, they are now simply using things from Ford Europe.

Honda is doing similar things too, for instance, they are using the Euro Accord as their TSX, and the TSX has been well received by most people.
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 15:51
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Wasn't Regal's sales down 40%? That's called alive and well for Buick, I guess?

BTW, Buick's YTD sales was down almost 10%, must be 'firing all cylinders' .

P.
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BananaBoy2601 wrote:
Thanks again as always TSX69.

If the CR-Z was done right I believe it could be doing Veloster numbers.



Proof that packaging is important.

I find the Veloster to be one of the most repulsive vehicles I have ever seen in person. In pictures, I didn't think it looked horrible, but man...that thing is ugly up close. It almost has a CUV vibe to it.
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 16:03
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DrWhiner wrote:
Wasn't Regal's sales down 40%? That's called alive and well for Buick, I guess?

BTW, Buick's YTD sales was down almost 10%, must be 'firing all cylinders' .

P.



Well how about a counterpoint?

Buick sales to fleet customers -- the vast majority of which are rental-car companies -- were down by two-thirds in the first four months of 2012 from year-earlier levels.


The scale-back marks a major strategic shift for Buick, which historically has relied on rental-fleet sales to move the metal. In the pre-recession and pre-bankruptcy year of 2007, for example, fleet sales accounted for around 15 percent of Buick's sales. This year, through April, they were 7 percent, a GM spokesman says.


Through April, Buick's incentive spending fell to 10.1 percent of its average transaction price per vehicle, from 11.5 percent in the same period last year, TrueCar.com data show.


For comparison, Honda/Acura (combined) incentives per sales transaction percentage was 9.3%. GM (all US brands) was 9.6%.

Last year Buick vehicles on average were expected to retain 46 percent of their value after 36 months, up from 39 percent in 2008, according to data from ALG. The residual on the Buick Verano is 48 percent, equal to that of an Audi A3 and competitive with other cars in ALG's premium compact segment, including the Volvo C30 and Lexus CT 200h, each of which is projected to hold 49 percent of its value after 36 months.






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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 16:41
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In the pre-recession and pre-bankruptcy year of 2007, for example, fleet sales accounted for around 15 percent of Buick's sales. This year, through April, they were 7 percent

There's only a dip of 8% caused by fleet sales from 2007 to 2012.

So GM learned nothing from its bankruptcy and still dumping in fleet sales back in 2011?

SMH.

Lucerne is now gone. How about those newer models?
But demand for the Regal and Enclave has sagged.

Can sales drop in these models caused by redusing fleet sales? Hmm.......

Your quotes are update to April only, why don't you qutoe those latest info including May?

One month's data means nothing when old habits die hard.
GM recently had a dip in sales, so they're back to offering larger incentives in June.

The Japanese competitors are now back fully in the marketplace. Its something that we have not had to deal with, effectively, over the last 12 months.

Ford Motor Co., the only major automaker whose sales gain exceeded estimates, boosted incentives in May. Chrysler offered some buyers no monthly payments for 90 days and GM discounted some models to try to offset market-share recovery by Japanese automakers.

"Toyota and Honda not only recovered from the last year's dip in sales but also had their highest transaction prices ever in May, showing that they were able to recapture consumer interest in their products."
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So GM learned nothing from its bankruptcy and still dumping in fleet sales back in 2011?


A bit more explanation for those who can't follow:
Buick 2011 fleet sales:
est. 21%
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-04-2012 16:53
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In your nervous haste to respond to me, you made a total mess of the layout of your post. Combined with your stellar English, it's making my head hurt. But...

DrWhiner wrote:
Your quotes are update to April only, why don't you qutoe those latest info including May?


Because the story was from May 28....

You're always hilarious, Blue_Sky_surfer. Always posting snide remarks/snippets of news about Honda/Acura competitors that fit your pro-Honda-trolling agenda, usually sales and financials-related. Once someone comes in and counters with more of the story (aka the explanation), you stutter, stumble and stammer like a whino. Hmmm.. whino, whiner... Interesting.

I'm curious, why did you vanish from TOV the moment that press release broke Honda Announces Global CO2 Emissions Reduction Targets Including 30 Percent Reduction for Products announcing "Blue Skies for Our Children"? Your very final post as Blue_Sky_surfer was that very day under that very article. Was the slogan just that dangerously close to your TOV handle? Did it give away your *ahem*, status?
 
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