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Very impressive #'s...
Let's see how the ED powertrain does it on the 2013 Accord.
"The 2013 Altima’s going to be the lightest car in the class, starting at just more than 3,100 pounds for the 2.5-liter four-cylinder car. Nissan promises that, as well as an efficient, new-generation continuously variable automatic transmission and a host of other fuel-saving features also will make it the most economical car in the class: 38 miles per gallon on the highway. Better yet, engineers are promising a 0-60 gallop of 7.14 seconds. And yes, that’s for the 4-cylinder car.
– Bill Visnic, senior editor, Edmunds.com"1
1 http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2012/05/2013-nissan-altima-production-begins-today-here-are-four-cool-things.html
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longhorn
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Thats sick...........3100 pounds!!!! Wow ,thats just 200 pounds heavier than the 6G Accord.
I expect........I hope the Accord to be close to it though.
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VTECyo!
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Honda has its work cut out for it, so I hope they can pull through and impress us.
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Gumbercules
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I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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bkr
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Looks like some very useful tech features will be included.
I suspect that the '13 Accord will be competitive on all fronts - especially when real world fuel economy is measured.
The fact that the Accord will also offer 3 models with a 6sp manual is (rather than just a CVT as in the Altima) is a the big thing to me...
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7.14 seconds? Now they measure 1/100th of a second?
Bogus.
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P54
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Based on the information Honda already has given in regard to the new CVT and ED engines the Accord would be capable of close to 40 MPG HWY in the old vehicle. With new Accord coming and if it is lighter and more aerodynamic I see no reason it should not be good for 40 mpg HWY.
Honda already have promised they should be a leader in FE in all vehicle classes. The challenge is on. Hopefully they were aware of the stiffer competition when they planned the new Accord and that it will be a class leader. Wonder what the new Accord with two motor hybrid will do.
If mid-size vehicles are hitting 40 mpg HWY the new Civic with CVT and ED engine better be good for 45 mpg HWY. The hybrids then seem to be most beneficial in city stop and go traffic.
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40mpg
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Do I smell that the number is for the hybrid version? It will be hard for a vehicle north of 3K lbs and 2.5L engine to achieve close to 40 mpg. Even the smaller vehicles (ie: Civic, Corolla, Elantra, Cruze, etc) is hardly getting 40 mpg rating on hwy. We all will see in a few months when all the covers are up.
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CarGuyLee
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Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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timp64
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The new Altima and Accord will be using new technology in their engines that the smaller vehicles aren't using. CVT's, Direct Injection and something to do with some cycle, I think Addison cycle but I'm not sure off the top of my head. You need to research Honda's Earth Dreams engines to get up to date. The new Accord will have the new technology and that's where the predictions are coming from when it comes to the higher mpg predictions.
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JP
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CarGuyLee wrote:
Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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According to http://www.nissanusa.com/all-new-altima/versions-specs/ it is 27mpg in City...
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Rgist85
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JP wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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According to http://www.nissanusa.com/all-new-altima/versions-specs/ it is 27mpg in City...
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Considering my old 2005 Nissan Altima 2.5S was rated at 29 HWY way back in 2004, I think the Altima getting 27 CTY is pretty impressive...that 38 MPG rating will be a good thing for those who take long trips, especially since the Altima has a 20 gallon fuel tank....you can bet Nissan will be advertising the hell out of the MPG numbers and saying the Altima can go --- miles before refueling. I think if Honda doesn't beat the 38 mpg they will be darn close to it.
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ezshift5
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...didn't realize Honda will offer 6-6 in three models. Where can I get more info?
At 120,000, I know my Gen7 6-6 coupe is just breaking in.........
But keeping options open is not a bad idea..............
Gen7 6-6 at 120,000 fuel numbers: 65%HWY: 29; 100%HWY:36 (easy) - have calc'd higher every now and then. RPM/headwind dependent.
tks, ez....
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Trip
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ezshift5 wrote:
...didn't realize Honda will offer 6-6 in three models. Where can I get more info?
At 120,000, I know my Gen7 6-6 coupe is just breaking in.........
But keeping options open is not a bad idea..............
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The initial info came frrom this link: http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1062301
Color options for the trim levels were released.
There is only one "6-6" available . . . EX V6 trim, with or without NAVI.
The 4cyl sedan looks to finally have a 6MT paired with the 4cyl in 3 trim levels, but no NAVI option (auto only). Similar, the coupe will offer the 4cyl with a 6MT in two trim levels, but again, not with NAVI. Boo . . . . :(
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Gumbercules
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CarGuyLee wrote:
Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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Up to a few years ago, all the ads had either City/HWY or City/Combined/Hwy. Consumers could make their own analysis, if they wanted to focus on HWY they would, but at least ALL relevant info was there.
Then, I dont know who started it but GM and Hyundai pushed the HWY only marketing to new levels. So now consumers, most which decide their purchases based on marketing, have been brainwashed into ONLY thinking abt HWY mpg. If Honda markets both city/hwy, their car will appear less efficient than the competitions HWY only ads.
The other day a friend told me he wanted to trade in his first gen civic hybrid for a sonata because he said "both get 40mpg anyway". I told him the 40mpg in your Civic is your average, which he calculates himself, but the Sonata's is only HWY which means he will average a lot less than that unless he drives 90% on the highway. He was shocked to find that the 40mpg rating was only for HWY.
FWIW, i also told him if he wants the car for its value and content, then I said he should go for it, but for MPG the 40 HWY rating is misleading by itself.
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CarGuyLee
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Gumbercules wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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Up to a few years ago, all the ads had either City/HWY or City/Combined/Hwy. Consumers could make their own analysis, if they wanted to focus on HWY they would, but at least ALL relevant info was there.
Then, I dont know who started it but GM and Hyundai pushed the HWY only marketing to new levels. So now consumers, most which decide their purchases based on marketing, have been brainwashed into ONLY thinking abt HWY mpg. If Honda markets both city/hwy, their car will appear less efficient than the competitions HWY only ads.
The other day a friend told me he wanted to trade in his first gen civic hybrid for a sonata because he said "both get 40mpg anyway". I told him the 40mpg in your Civic is your average, which he calculates himself, but the Sonata's is only HWY which means he will average a lot less than that unless he drives 90% on the highway. He was shocked to find that the 40mpg rating was only for HWY.
FWIW, i also told him if he wants the car for its value and content, then I said he should go for it, but for MPG the 40 HWY rating is misleading by itself.
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I'm not sure if I remember that or not . Anyone else remember this? I really don't think I remember anyone giving a combined number.
I see Accord banner ad's that only say 34MPG. What should it say? Everyone advertises their best point. That's why they always advertise "Starts at $19,995.00".
As far as your friend.... where did he see that the Sonata's HWY number is 40? Because it's number is 35. What does he do when he goes to buy a car and he sees 2 numbers on the window sticker?
So are you impressed with the 27 City number of the Altima? Should they advertise that number instead?
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ezshift5
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Thanks, Trip. .....think a TD of the 4-cyl 6M may be prudent.
best, ez....
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DrWhiner
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A few short years ago, we were told big, heavy vehicles like SUVs were 'safe', small and light were not. Remember those who said small cars could be dealy?
Now, the lighter the better.
We are like sheep, repeat what we are told, brainwashed by Corporate America.
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DrWhiner
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JP wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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According to http://www.nissanusa.com/all-new-altima/versions-specs/ it is 27mpg in City...
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On the same web page, it also says:
Fuel Economy
Xtronic CVT® (Continuously Variable Transmission) (city/hwy) TBD
Strange
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Trip
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ezshift5 wrote:
Thanks, Trip. .....think a TD of the 4-cyl 6M may be prudent.
best, ez....
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Agreed. I'd like to check it out, too. I've always favored the 4cyl MT combo. In a lighter Accord, it should be a pretty peppy. The 7th gen V6 was an awesome package. Not so much the 8th gen. If the 9th gen 4cyl matches the fun factor of the 7th gen, it'll be a winner.
But no sale for me if the NAVI isn't available. It makes me wonder if the lane departure, blind spot, et al... technologies are only going to be available on the AT models too. Double boo . . . .
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DrWhiner
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CarGuyLee wrote:
Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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So if your dily commute number is closer to the hwy# then it is conclusive evidence that the city# doesn't matter?
Mind bloggling.
On a good day, I can easily beat the hwy#.
P.S. I have seen one who said he can get 79 mpg in a 12 Civic coupe (without modification), in LA nonetheless! (Oh with a photo)
He actually calculated that the Honda understated its mpg by 10%!
Disclaimer: YMMV
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CarGuyLee
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DrWhiner wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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So if your dily commute number is closer to the hwy# then it is conclusive evidence that the city# doesn't matter?
Mind bloggling.
On a good day, I can easily beat the hwy#.
P.S. I have seen one who said he can get 79 mpg in a 12 Civic coupe (without modification), in LA nonetheless! (Oh with a photo)
He actually calculated that the Honda understated its mpg by 10%!
Disclaimer: YMMV
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That's not what I'm saying....I'm saying the HWY number is just as important, some people drive more hwy than city. Gumber seems to assert the HWY number isn't important and is misleading, when to some of us it's very important.
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CivicB18
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CarGuyLee wrote:
DrWhiner wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Gumbercules wrote:
I hate HWY MPG only numbers, it means nothing to me without city numbers to accompany it. It's like choosing a house in the northeast because you pay so little in heating cost in the summer but completely ignore the heating cost in the winter.
Having said that, its good to see 3100 lbs in an altima, although i wonder if that will be for the trim with the least content. Either way, honda has to have some good marketing numbers, because for mpg it seems most people are swayed by HWY only marketing rather than more relevant city AND hwy.
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Is there anyone that markets their City number? Other than hybrids? Doesn't Honda do the same thing? I might be wrong but I can't recall ever seeing anyone making a big deal about their city numbers in ads.
Some people do drive more HWY than City, my daily commute number is always a lot closer to the HWY # than the City #
If I remember correctly the Altima is suppose to be rated 27MPG city, which is very impressive as well.
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So if your dily commute number is closer to the hwy# then it is conclusive evidence that the city# doesn't matter?
Mind bloggling.
On a good day, I can easily beat the hwy#.
P.S. I have seen one who said he can get 79 mpg in a 12 Civic coupe (without modification), in LA nonetheless! (Oh with a photo)
He actually calculated that the Honda understated its mpg by 10%!
Disclaimer: YMMV
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That's not what I'm saying....I'm saying the HWY number is just as important, some people drive more hwy than city. Gumber seems to assert the HWY number isn't important and is misleading, when to some of us it's very important.
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I think he's referring to the fact that many manufacturers tout the hwy numbers yet don't include a combined or city number in the advertisements.
~Patrick
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Rgist85
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Trip wrote:
ezshift5 wrote:
Thanks, Trip. .....think a TD of the 4-cyl 6M may be prudent.
best, ez....
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Agreed. I'd like to check it out, too. I've always favored the 4cyl MT combo. In a lighter Accord, it should be a pretty peppy. The 7th gen V6 was an awesome package. Not so much the 8th gen. If the 9th gen 4cyl matches the fun factor of the 7th gen, it'll be a winner.
But no sale for me if the NAVI isn't available. It makes me wonder if the lane departure, blind spot, et al... technologies are only going to be available on the AT models too. Double boo . . . .
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All those features will likely be in the "Touring" trim level, which will be V6 and 6AT anyway :(
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xBeastx
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Rgist85 wrote:
Trip wrote:
ezshift5 wrote:
Thanks, Trip. .....think a TD of the 4-cyl 6M may be prudent.
best, ez....
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Agreed. I'd like to check it out, too. I've always favored the 4cyl MT combo. In a lighter Accord, it should be a pretty peppy. The 7th gen V6 was an awesome package. Not so much the 8th gen. If the 9th gen 4cyl matches the fun factor of the 7th gen, it'll be a winner.
But no sale for me if the NAVI isn't available. It makes me wonder if the lane departure, blind spot, et al... technologies are only going to be available on the AT models too. Double boo . . . .
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All those features will likely be in the "Touring" trim level, which will be V6 and 6AT anyway :(
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Honda might sneak blind spot monitoring, etc. into the EX-L with the navigation package (could be renamed tech package). Then the Touring would have it as standard equipment.
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ipribadi
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timp64 wrote:
The new Altima and Accord will be using new technology in their engines that the smaller vehicles aren't using. CVT's, Direct Injection and something to do with some cycle, I think Addison cycle but I'm not sure off the top of my head... |
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Trip
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Nissan added some packages and pricing to their 2013 Altima site.
NAVI is $590 and includes traffic, weather and Google POIs.
Technology package with NAVI, Blind Spot monitoring, Lane Departure warning, and Moving Object Detection is $1,090.
I hope Honda follows suit and drops their $2000 price tag on NAVI.
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Trip
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Link: http://www.nissanusa.com/all-new-altima/versions-specs/?next=2013_altima_micro_features_button.2013_altima_micro_versions_specs
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JP
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Trip wrote:
Nissan added some packages and pricing to their 2013 Altima site.
NAVI is $590 and includes traffic, weather and Google POIs.
Technology package with NAVI, Blind Spot monitoring, Lane Departure warning, and Moving Object Detection is $1,090.
I hope Honda follows suit and drops their $2000 price tag on NAVI.
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You are right.... 2k for Navi in Honda is just absurd!!!
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JP
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1205_2013_nissan_altima_sl_first_test/
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