silverTL6
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Only a few days away, and not a single spyshot, teaser, tidbit of info, etc. What gives? What could possibly spoil the reveal to release some details a few days early?
Usual BS secrecy with Honda/Acura...so much for what they said in their recent Automotive News article:
"Acura also will be more aggressive with presale marketing before redesigned products reach market."
What a crock of BS
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Torque
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Honda's notoriously shitty marketing strikes again.
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bigblue
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I quite like the fact that something new's not been teased to death before being unveiled. I'm not sure whether that's good marketing or not, but there you go.
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P54
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Should be plenty of time for presale marketing from the time of NY show till it actually goes on sale.
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Potenza
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bigblue wrote:
I quite like the fact that something new's not been teased to death before being unveiled. I'm not sure whether that's good marketing or not, but there you go.
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BlackSeries
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If it comes out as a disappointment, then someone will be dead.
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NealX
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We typically get a couple few days advance on the initial media pic(s) along with a press release. The release gets "staged" and the switch is flicked at the appropriate time.
Such is the case with the CrossTour and RL(X). ;-)
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sadlerau
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Neal wrote:
We typically get a couple few days advance on the initial media pic(s) along with a press release. The release gets "staged" and the switch is flicked at the appropriate time.
Such is the case with the CrossTour and RL(X). ;-)
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Bastard! :) So Neal is it as good as it needs to be, or do I go out and get an Audi?
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silverTL6
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Neal wrote:
We typically get a couple few days advance on the initial media pic(s) along with a press release. The release gets "staged" and the switch is flicked at the appropriate time.
Such is the case with the CrossTour and RL(X). ;-)
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Can you send us the pics via e-mail if we promise not to post em online? :-P
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BlackSeries
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silverTL6 wrote:
Neal wrote:
We typically get a couple few days advance on the initial media pic(s) along with a press release. The release gets "staged" and the switch is flicked at the appropriate time.
Such is the case with the CrossTour and RL(X). ;-)
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Can you send us the pics via e-mail if we promise not to post em online? :-P
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+1
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silverTL6
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As usual we'll probably be underwhelmed with whatever they show, so I don't quite understand the secrecy.
If non-desperate automakers like Mercedes can release info/pics ahead of a reveal, what makes Honda/Acura think they're any better? Because their designs are highly sought after? Maybe back in their heyday...
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HONDA AFVM
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sadlerau wrote:
Neal wrote:
We typically get a couple few days advance on the initial media pic(s) along with a press release. The release gets "staged" and the switch is flicked at the appropriate time.
Such is the case with the CrossTour and RL(X). ;-)
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Bastard! :) So Neal is it as good as it needs to be, or do I go out and get an Audi?
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I would hold off on the OOOO........;-)
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HONDA AFVM
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Torque wrote:
Honda's notoriously shitty marketing strikes again.
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I say this with GREAT disappointment for a lot of you. Although there is some dissatisfaction with some current designs, Honda and Acura are coming out of their shell......
I remember a time when auto dealers would fog the windows or cover them with brown paper and leave just a slit so a crowd would gather to try to pear through......I remember at 7 years old going to the Lincoln dealer with my dad in 1970, there were people gathered around trying to get a glimpse of the 71 Mark I. They had it shipped in under cover in a sealed truck my dad told me. We had a 67 Continental with the gangster doors at the time.......The day of the unveiling, people were dressed in suits, nice cloths and there was food and music....people were excited. SEE, back then, the new cars were not shown until the middle of September.....
GONE are the days of the imagination.......GONE are the days were we can appreciate the excitement of the craftsmanship from man......it's INSTANT satisfaction or disappointment.......RAPING the every turn or crease, every line or gap..........never understanding that it was someones dream that is before us.........Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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NealX
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"appreciate the excitement of the craftsmanship from man..."
Well said. That's essentially why I've come to like everything...
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Torque
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Torque wrote:
Honda's notoriously shitty marketing strikes again.
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I say this with GREAT disappointment for a lot of you. Although there is some dissatisfaction with some current designs, Honda and Acura are coming out of their shell......
I remember a time when auto dealers would fog the windows or cover them with brown paper and leave just a slit so a crowd would gather to try to pear through......I remember at 7 years old going to the Lincoln dealer with my dad in 1970, there were people gathered around trying to get a glimpse of the 71 Mark I. They had it shipped in under cover in a sealed truck my dad told me. We had a 67 Continental with the gangster doors at the time.......The day of the unveiling, people were dressed in suits, nice cloths and there was food and music....people were excited. SEE, back then, the new cars were not shown until the middle of September.....
GONE are the days of the imagination.......GONE are the days were we can appreciate the excitement of the craftsmanship from man......it's INSTANT satisfaction or disappointment.......RAPING the every turn or crease, every line or gap..........never understanding that it was someones dream that is before us.........Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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C'mon man. The product and the marketing are two completely different points. We all know the marketing could be better. The product will speak for itself. As usual, I will reserve judgement until it can actually be seen and driven.
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TurkMan71
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They way Jeff described it a while back didn't exactly give me a lot of hope...same rear wheel haunch as ILX/ZDX...better proportions than current RL but still noticeable front overhang...5 bulb headlight treatment...nothing too crazy (good) but nothing special (bad)...
Either way, I look forward to seeing the reveal next week and hope it's at least better than current RL.
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superchg2
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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auto_enthu
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RL will most likely be a plain vanilla in terms of looks, which is fine, since none in this class are really sexy atleast in my opinion (ofcouse, looks are subjective). Its important to get the proportions right.
I'm more interested in the powertrain RL will get.
I'm guessing it will have AWD without 'SH' as standard and may have SHAWD exclusive to sport-hybrid (sh-SHAWD).
One of the reviews on RDX mentioned that Acura managed good enough handling and the lack of SHAWD showed up only in very sharp curves. I'm assuming RL will also get similar treatment, ie deploy regular/improved AWD, and significantly improve the ride and at the same time provide good enough handling. In short, it may go Mercedes route and try to strike a perfect balance between ride and handling, without trying to be too sporty like a BMW (ofcourse, the latest 5-series shows compromised and character-less steering).
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superchg2
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superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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Andrew, back in the day I remember they wanted to equip the Pacer with a Rotary engine, but since they couldn't get the emissions and fuel mileage under control they went with the old reliable inline six.
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superchg2
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auto_enthu wrote:
RL will most likely be a plain vanilla in terms of looks, which is fine, since none in this class are really sexy atleast in my opinion (ofcouse, looks are subjective). Its important to get the proportions right.
I'm more interested in the powertrain RL will get.
I'm guessing it will have AWD without 'SH' as standard and may have SHAWD exclusive to sport-hybrid (sh-SHAWD).
One of the reviews on RDX mentioned that Acura managed good enough handling and the lack of SHAWD showed up only in very sharp curves. I'm assuming RL will also get similar treatment, ie deploy regular/improved AWD, and significantly improve the ride and at the same time provide good enough handling. In short, it may go Mercedes route and try to strike a perfect balance between ride and handling, without trying to be too sporty like a BMW (ofcourse, the latest 5-series shows compromised and character-less steering).
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For handling, RWD might have been a good idea, with AWD as an available option.
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auto_enthu
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superchg2 wrote:
auto_enthu wrote:
RL will most likely be a plain vanilla in terms of looks, which is fine, since none in this class are really sexy atleast in my opinion (ofcouse, looks are subjective). Its important to get the proportions right.
I'm more interested in the powertrain RL will get.
I'm guessing it will have AWD without 'SH' as standard and may have SHAWD exclusive to sport-hybrid (sh-SHAWD).
One of the reviews on RDX mentioned that Acura managed good enough handling and the lack of SHAWD showed up only in very sharp curves. I'm assuming RL will also get similar treatment, ie deploy regular/improved AWD, and significantly improve the ride and at the same time provide good enough handling. In short, it may go Mercedes route and try to strike a perfect balance between ride and handling, without trying to be too sporty like a BMW (ofcourse, the latest 5-series shows compromised and character-less steering).
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For handling, RWD might have been a good idea, with AWD as an available option.
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Based on Jeff's comments (on what he has seen in Tokyo) its almost certain that the platform seen in spyshots back in 2008, which had longitudinal engine layout, is scrapped and the RL seen in Tokyo recently was an evolution of the current RL, which totally eliminates RWD from the picture. Ofcourse, there is no double RWD would be great, but unfortunately Acura will never deliver a RWD.
So, let's atleast hope for a good standard AWD.
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Powered by Honda
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auto_enthu wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
auto_enthu wrote:
RL will most likely be a plain vanilla in terms of looks, which is fine, since none in this class are really sexy atleast in my opinion (ofcouse, looks are subjective). Its important to get the proportions right.
I'm more interested in the powertrain RL will get.
I'm guessing it will have AWD without 'SH' as standard and may have SHAWD exclusive to sport-hybrid (sh-SHAWD).
One of the reviews on RDX mentioned that Acura managed good enough handling and the lack of SHAWD showed up only in very sharp curves. I'm assuming RL will also get similar treatment, ie deploy regular/improved AWD, and significantly improve the ride and at the same time provide good enough handling. In short, it may go Mercedes route and try to strike a perfect balance between ride and handling, without trying to be too sporty like a BMW (ofcourse, the latest 5-series shows compromised and character-less steering).
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For handling, RWD might have been a good idea, with AWD as an available option.
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Based on Jeff's comments (on what he has seen in Tokyo) its almost certain that the platform seen in spyshots back in 2008, which had longitudinal engine layout, is scrapped and the RL seen in Tokyo recently was an evolution of the current RL, which totally eliminates RWD from the picture. Ofcourse, there is no double RWD would be great, but unfortunately Acura will never deliver a RWD.
So, let's atleast hope for a good standard AWD.
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I guess Honda is happy selling 20 RL's a month... let the status quo continue!
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Jesse
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I think it was Jeff's lukewarm comment that left many people here a bit pessimistic, so it's not surprising.
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HONDA AFVM
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superchg2 wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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Andrew, back in the day I remember they wanted to equip the Pacer with a Rotary engine, but since they couldn't get the emissions and fuel mileage under control they went with the old reliable inline six.
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I used the Pacer only because of it's innovation and how it was used by other manufactures as a whipping boy, but copied.......copied and posed as a threat.......As the RL was, but it's own lack of shear size as the years passed sank it.......
As you all know, Honda's marketing......I have been the #1 bitch protester.......it sucks......
MY POINT was we all have lost the excitement and have come to expect seeing everything that is supposed to be NEW before it is released, like it's an "entitlement" and if we don't see or get our taste, we insult, bitch and stomp our feet at what used to be a highlight for a business or manufacture.......
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superchg2
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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Andrew, back in the day I remember they wanted to equip the Pacer with a Rotary engine, but since they couldn't get the emissions and fuel mileage under control they went with the old reliable inline six.
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I used the Pacer only because of it's innovation and how it was used by other manufactures as a whipping boy, but copied.......copied and posed as a threat.......As the RL was, but it's own lack of shear size as the years passed sank it.......
As you all know, Honda's marketing......I have been the #1 bitch protester.......it sucks......
MY POINT was we all have lost the excitement and have come to expect seeing everything that is supposed to be NEW before it is released, like it's an "entitlement" and if we don't see or get our taste, we insult, bitch and stomp our feet at what used to be a highlight for a business or manufacture.......
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Andrew, since the RL and TL have almost merged in terms of size and performance, it raises the question as to why there is an RL at all? (and RL sales bear this out)
So, if Acura can not bring in a fresh approach to this sedan, it seems destined to be a "has been" in the Tier 1 wannabe market. If they bring something new to the show, then that could be exciting!
;)
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HONDA AFVM
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superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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Andrew, back in the day I remember they wanted to equip the Pacer with a Rotary engine, but since they couldn't get the emissions and fuel mileage under control they went with the old reliable inline six.
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I used the Pacer only because of it's innovation and how it was used by other manufactures as a whipping boy, but copied.......copied and posed as a threat.......As the RL was, but it's own lack of shear size as the years passed sank it.......
As you all know, Honda's marketing......I have been the #1 bitch protester.......it sucks......
MY POINT was we all have lost the excitement and have come to expect seeing everything that is supposed to be NEW before it is released, like it's an "entitlement" and if we don't see or get our taste, we insult, bitch and stomp our feet at what used to be a highlight for a business or manufacture.......
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Andrew, since the RL and TL have almost merged in terms of size and performance, it raises the question as to why there is an RL at all? (and RL sales bear this out)
So, if Acura can not bring in a fresh approach to this sedan, it seems destined to be a "has been" in the Tier 1 wannabe market. If they bring something new to the show, then that could be exciting!
;)
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There will be a G R A N D S T R E T C H between the TL and RL now.......... I can't speak for anyone but me, but what I have seen and have been told, I have no disappointments.........I am excited to see what all of you post about........maybe, just maybe there will be some positive feed back this time.......
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Potenza
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
Andrew, since the RL and TL have almost merged in terms of size and performance, it raises the question as to why there is an RL at all? (and RL sales bear this out)
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There will be a G R A N D S T R E T C H between the TL and RL now.......... I can't speak for anyone but me, but what I have seen and have been told, I have no disappointments.........I am excited to see what all of you post about........maybe, just maybe there will be some positive feed back this time.......
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It sounds like the powertrain will be worlds apart, but size-wise I don't foresee a "grand stretch" until the TL shrinks considerably.
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NealX
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Well, every dude has his own idea of a "G R A N D S T R E T C H" but I wonder what your inside info could be telling, knowing that between the current RL and TL you've got:
RL wheelbase: 110.2"
TL wheelbase: 109.3"
RLX wheelbase: 000.0"
RL length: 195.7"
TL length: 194.0"
RLX length: 000.0"
RL width: 72.7"
TL width: 74.0"
RLX width: 00.0"
RL front track: 62.0"
TL front track: 63.2"
RLX front track: 00.0"
RL rear track: 62.4"
TL rear track: 63.8"
RLX rear track: 00.0"
I haven't heard of any X dimensions but feel free to take a guess as to what this "G R A N D S T R E T C H" could possibly mean...
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DCR
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auto_enthu wrote:
Based on Jeff's comments (on what he has seen in Tokyo) its almost certain that the platform seen in spyshots back in 2008, which had longitudinal engine layout, is scrapped and the RL seen in Tokyo recently was an evolution of the current RL, which totally eliminates RWD from the picture. Ofcourse, there is no double RWD would be great, but unfortunately Acura will never deliver a RWD.
So, let's atleast hope for a good standard AWD.
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I think there will always be an evolution of design, but in this case, Acura needs to do something special with the RL. Evolving the current design as mildly as something Honda did with the Civic would be a disaster. They are going to need a leap like Honda made from the 05 Civic to the 06 Civic.
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TurkMan71
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Today a PACER is an amazing car to look at, a car that influenced Porsche to make the 928, the innovation of the passenger door being 4 inches longer then the drivers door for passengers to get in the rear of the car. The fact the car was over 5.5 feet wide on the inside. But we are SUCH a visual society that we can't see the innovation of the design......
SHAME on all of you for doubting what you haven't seen...............I say W a i t.......
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Andrew, back in the day I remember they wanted to equip the Pacer with a Rotary engine, but since they couldn't get the emissions and fuel mileage under control they went with the old reliable inline six.
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I used the Pacer only because of it's innovation and how it was used by other manufactures as a whipping boy, but copied.......copied and posed as a threat.......As the RL was, but it's own lack of shear size as the years passed sank it.......
As you all know, Honda's marketing......I have been the #1 bitch protester.......it sucks......
MY POINT was we all have lost the excitement and have come to expect seeing everything that is supposed to be NEW before it is released, like it's an "entitlement" and if we don't see or get our taste, we insult, bitch and stomp our feet at what used to be a highlight for a business or manufacture.......
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Andrew, since the RL and TL have almost merged in terms of size and performance, it raises the question as to why there is an RL at all? (and RL sales bear this out)
So, if Acura can not bring in a fresh approach to this sedan, it seems destined to be a "has been" in the Tier 1 wannabe market. If they bring something new to the show, then that could be exciting!
;)
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There will be a G R A N D S T R E T C H between the TL and RL now.......... I can't speak for anyone but me, but what I have seen and have been told, I have no disappointments.........I am excited to see what all of you post about........maybe, just maybe there will be some positive feed back this time.......
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HONDA AFVM: no offense, but didn't you hype up the current TL before it came out? While I value your insight into new products, I've learned to take your styling opinions with a grain of salt...as for Honda marketing, never really had a problem with it...in fact the cars use to sell themselves in Honda's heyday, marketing was just a gentle reminder to the public that they were clever, cool, and a good value...the Accord on the wall of an art museum? Classic Honda, beautifully subtle... remember the Integra on the hotwheels track? Nothing wrong with those spots IMHO...now if you mean marketing as in market placement and planning, then I'd agree with you 150%. Crosstour? ZDX? That's 'me too' marketing in its worst form...
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