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A refresh won't help this over weight and underpowered whale.
Last edited by NealX on 03-20-2012 23:49
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kirk
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Where is the play-pen for these juvenile posts?
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superchg2
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Here's another refresh,
iahs2k=Troll
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integrator
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While I agree with that comment for the current design, if the 2 Samurai's of Wako can fix this.... this might be the car I was hoping Honda would make. But there's lots to fix.
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CVCC1974
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I think the name "Crosstour" itself is good enough. We can live with it. The current exterior design that needs to 'die' (& replaced by more utility-based crossover or awd car that makes more sense).
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Honda1
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3.5-liter V6 with roughly 310 hp (231 kW / 314 PS)
Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/112032042585/2013-honda-crosstour-concept-announced-for-ny-debut#ixzz1phOPdH1r
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BlackSeries
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Woah!! 310hp..thats gotta be highest output of Honda engine in a roadcar.
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integrator
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superchg2 wrote:
Here's another refresh,
iahs2k=Troll
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Yes, cuz everyone just LOVES the CT - that's why sales are so brisk. Go back to your cubicle, Torrance... and hope you're not part of the reshuffle (out the door).
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onetyme_sam
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haha, thats funny.
who here works for honda to defend their honor and who is a fanboy that thinks all hondas are golden?
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Harvey Jr
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onetyme_sam wrote:
haha, thats funny.
who here works for honda to defend their honor and who is a fanboy that thinks all hondas are golden?
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Ok, so those are the only two categories to choose from?
I am a Honda fan. Does that mean that I defend every thing they do or say? No. But, in general, I prefer Honda's for many reasons. So anyone that ever defends or has a positive thing to say, in your eyes, is one of the above?
So, using your logic:
Who here is a spoiled 12 year old, and who here is a professional "flamer" that gets his giggles acting like a moron?
Now, can we have a real conversation about these cars? Or do we have to listen to brain surgeons like you, "iahs2k", "DCR", and "integrator" (I'm sure there are others) spout on and on about which car "sux" for lack of (insert feature/spec here) or needs to "die" because you'd never buy it anyway?
I guess this is like High School to you guys, no sense of self respect or respect for others. Just your immature BS over and over and over again.
Do you really think anyone, let alone anyone at Honda will respond to your ridiculous comments and assertions?
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integrator wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
Here's another refresh,
iahs2k=Troll
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Yes, cuz everyone just LOVES the CT - that's why sales are so brisk. Go back to your cubicle, Torrance... and hope you're not part of the reshuffle (out the door).
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iahs2k has initiated several redundant and immature threads in short period of time. If you ask me, he's earning his bad rep.
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LOL.
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integrator
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according2kev wrote:
iahs2k has initiated several redundant and immature threads in short period of time. If you ask me, he's earning his bad rep. |
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VTECRacer
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Maybe next time he should select a route to express his opinion in a way that doesn't justify a mod edit to his own post.
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onetyme_sam
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lol, that was the point of 2 categories, obviously when people say something negative about a car and someone takes it to heart and call them a troll. that was a lack of respect to someone that wasnt calling anyone out. sorry if i hurt your feelings, i didnt know people are still as sensitive as 12 year olds.
without criticism, what do you have? because there would be no forward progress on anything.
have you got in line to buy one?
and besides, i don't care if honda listens to these comments because honda doesnt listen to racer fan boys. why? because they don't put money in their pockets, its the mass market. and obviously honda knows best when the crz, insight, zdx, and crosstour does so well in sales. i am realistic. i WAS right about the SI motor when people believed it would be more powerful. I was also correct about the insight, crz, zdx, and crosstour not doing as good as honda projected and many other things about those vehicles.
I am not blind to what competition has and i don't get offended when people say some stuff just plain sucks. i find it humorous because people get their panties in a twist. you act like i just kicked your dog. hard.
I agree with iahs2k. why? let me tell you in an educated manner so you can feel like you are mature.
IT DOESNT SELL WELL. Honda has invested and wasted too much money on a low volume sale vehicle when they can put the resources into a vehicle like the civic. maybe slightly better plastics and materials? who knows. i never drove a new one. this type of vehicle was a small niche group to begin with, why such a huge investment? why not maybe an affordable sports car? why not better R&D on the RL?(yes, the flagship acura) maybe more effort into the (dare i say it) crz and insight? the ILX has a purpose even though i believe it should be 1k cheaper. i think that is reasonable from both sides.
so mr. harvey jr. birdman, back to the topic and not about hurt feelings.
http://www.blackfive.net/files/hurt-feelings-report-da_form_imt_wf1.pdf
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Harvey Jr
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onetyme_sam wrote:
lol, that was the point of 2 categories, obviously when people say something negative about a car and someone takes it to heart and call them a troll. that was a lack of respect to someone that wasnt calling anyone out. sorry if i hurt your feelings, i didnt know people are still as sensitive as 12 year olds.
without criticism, what do you have? because there would be no forward progress on anything.
have you got in line to buy one?
and besides, i don't care if honda listens to these comments because honda doesnt listen to racer fan boys. why? because they don't put money in their pockets, its the mass market. and obviously honda knows best when the crz, insight, zdx, and crosstour does so well in sales. i am realistic. i WAS right about the SI motor when people believed it would be more powerful. I was also correct about the insight, crz, zdx, and crosstour not doing as good as honda projected and many other things about those vehicles.
I am not blind to what competition has and i don't get offended when people say some stuff just plain sucks. i find it humorous because people get their panties in a twist. you act like i just kicked your dog. hard.
I agree with iahs2k. why? let me tell you in an educated manner so you can feel like you are mature.
IT DOESNT SELL WELL. Honda has invested and wasted too much money on a low volume sale vehicle when they can put the resources into a vehicle like the civic. maybe slightly better plastics and materials? who knows. i never drove a new one. this type of vehicle was a small niche group to begin with, why such a huge investment? why not maybe an affordable sports car? why not better R&D on the RL?(yes, the flagship acura) maybe more effort into the (dare i say it) crz and insight? the ILX has a purpose even though i believe it should be 1k cheaper. i think that is reasonable from both sides.
so mr. harvey jr. birdman, back to the topic and not about hurt feelings.
http://www.blackfive.net/files/hurt-feelings-report-da_form_imt_wf1.pdf
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Hurt feelings? Hardly...
I just get tired of wading through disposable posts like yours to get to real criticism and discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
And to answer your one true criticism, what do you care how much Honda invested in the Crosstour? You couldn't convince me that the Civic suffered because of the money spent on the Crosstour or any other vehicle Honda has developed. The Civic is a completely separate project with its own budget and goals, and is suffering heavy criticism because of many reasons, with development of the Crosstour/ZDX/CRZ, etc. far from blame.
What do comments from me, or anyone else, matter anyway? You will just label me a "fanboy" for merely disagreeing with you, much less actually defending Honda in any way.
Hope I didn't hurt your feelings...
Moving on...
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DevilMayCry
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Harvey Jr wrote:
onetyme_sam wrote:
haha, thats funny.
who here works for honda to defend their honor and who is a fanboy that thinks all hondas are golden?
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Ok, so those are the only two categories to choose from?
I am a Honda fan. Does that mean that I defend every thing they do or say? No. But, in general, I prefer Honda's for many reasons. So anyone that ever defends or has a positive thing to say, in your eyes, is one of the above?
So, using your logic:
Who here is a spoiled 12 year old, and who here is a professional "flamer" that gets his giggles acting like a moron?
Now, can we have a real conversation about these cars? Or do we have to listen to brain surgeons like you, "iahs2k", "DCR", and "integrator" (I'm sure there are others) spout on and on about which car "sux" for lack of (insert feature/spec here) or needs to "die" because you'd never buy it anyway?
I guess this is like High School to you guys, no sense of self respect or respect for others. Just your immature BS over and over and over again.
Do you really think anyone, let alone anyone at Honda will respond to your ridiculous comments and assertions?
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'Logic' escapes them!
BTW, thanks for this post. You saved me a lot of typing, lol. Well said!
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onetyme_sam
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haha not at all. don't see me complaining or crying about how others talk. i dont care about "trolls" they are for people who play WoW. people who cry and use that as an excuse because thats they have nothing better to say either. people who use that word also instigate and promote bad conversations, not just the person giving their negative opinion. this is a forum after all right? is it not allowed to express how you feel to a certain degree? because i didnt know we were in bible school with all the 12 year olds. i currently own a tsx, s2000, and honda accord. owned 2 integras, a civic, crv, and a late accord. how does that sound for loyalty. fanboy? yeah i use to be or maybe still am. but i am also open minded.
yes those cars are separate from another. every car on honda's line up has a focus. look at the late quirky element. it was a utility box. the ridgeline is utility truck and i don't think i have to explain about the cars. the reason why i care about how honda invests their money is because I too like some honda products and wish to see that they build something worth while. why? because they use the money from people like us that buy their products to develop better cars.
lets look it at this. the US goverment uses tax payers money. they spend it as freely as they want pretty much. the goverment awards fisker karma 500 million of tax payers money with some stipulations. fisker karma is pretty much only building technological showcase cars and they may be nice but really isnt getting anywhere, fisker is asking for more of that money without further progress to the stipulations. now i wouldnt say they wasted the money, but it can be better spent if they were a little more frugal and not try to show off so much till its ready. it is uncharted technology really.
Honda is frugal with their money in a stupid way. i don't have to explain sales numbers of the zdx and crosstour. you and honda are beating a dead horse. yeah you may or may not like it, but it is a waste of the customers money if the majority do not approve of this product. it is why mazda is phasing out the cx-6. because it is not worth to compete with the rdx since it has no real segment. the crosstour and zdx segment is really only the bmw x6. i don't mind the eco green movement because it will bring new technology but i don't like how honda waste money to fund stupid projects like the zdx/crosstour. is this a technological showcase? no. however it does have a purpose, just not a focus. and in my eyes, this vehicle is a waste of money to the people who funded this abomination. numbers are a fact, and they cannot be misinterpreted.
my first comment wasnt directed towards anyone. i was being sarcastic because i find it funny how when people get offended on here, they call others trolls. cars are like family, when someone talks crap on it, things get serious
I have explained my reasoning twice. yet you still complain about being tired of seeing bad posts. if you are tired, get some sleep. thats the best advice i have right now.
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onetyme_sam wrote:
numbers are a fact, and they cannot be misinterpreted.
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Overall a good post.
but, as a salesman, and a very descent mathmatician. misinterpreting numbers is a huge business in its self.
(I am not talking about my job. If you find a salesman that tries to fudge your numbers... walk out. There are plenty of good/honest folks selling cars, that you shouln't buy from a crook.)
Misinterpreting numbers: look at a window sticker, and tell me John Q. Public is really as good with math as you assume.
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I know I don't post here too often, but I keep my eyes out, and although the CT isn't a huge sales titan; its like the element. the folks who are buying them, love them. (at least that is the feedback I am getting in person.)
The idea that the CT cost the same to R&D that the Pilot did when is was "all new" or as the Accord when the MY'08 came out, is a little overstated.
The CT and the CR-Z for that matter, probablly cost a good deal less in the R&D phase than say, the Accord/CR-V and the Fit/Insight.
Seeing that a bulk of what make the CT a CT comes from current modles offered... Its not like the engineer teams set out to build an all new eng/tranny/dash/chassis subframes. that makes for much less spending in the R&D.
Also with the CR-Z. Take a Fit, add the IMA from the Insight, very slightly modify the subframes and toss in either the Insight CVT, or another car's 6mt. and some fresh sheet metal.....
and bam! you've got yourself 2 new cars build from mostly left over parts, and the pair of them balance eachother out for HMC to stay at the front of the pack for the C.A.F.E. ratings...
I think there is a lot more politicing going on in the offices than what most people give credit to when it comes down to what the modle line-up has to offer.
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onetyme_sam
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agreed there, when i bought my tsx, the salesman was quick to pull the sheet away from me so i couldnt see how everything added up and the price difference was 4k over what was agreed upon.
although i have not paid much attention to the zdx/crosstour, i do not know exactly what chassis it sit on but whether it may be from left over parts, those 2 vehicles are not quite that great of a deal in my opinion (price wise). i can imagine the people who buy those vehicles love it otherwise they wouldnt have considered it in the first place and that is great that this vehicle can find a home to go to. i would imagine this vehicle drives quite well also but
honda has been acting quite different in the past decade. and not all of it is their fault, but when they pinch pennies here and there to cut costs and save, yet they will take risks such as the zdx/crosstour, its hard for me to try to understand their reasoning. its like the pilot when it came out, (current gen before mmc) with cheap plasticky interior that didnt fit the best or (i dont know for a fact) the current civic interior. which i heard it feels cheaper than the previous gen. i can understand the risks on the eco movement, i think that is legitimate. i feel like this car is slotted between the accord and crv. i feel the execution of this vehicle is very poor, the vehicle itself has good fit and finish. (only because it uses accord interior)
so the crosstour sold 1710 last year and 1070 this year for last month. ZDX sold 198 and 56. if that covers the cost to build those vehicles that i probably wouldnt gripe that much, but i dont know. if honda is losing money on these 2 vehicles, i think it would be nice to lose it to a vehicle that leaves a positive impression. which seems like honda has a hard time with as of lately.
does anyone know what honda's projected sales of the CT and zdx were?
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onetyme_sam wrote:
Honda is frugal with their money in a stupid way. i don't have to explain sales numbers of the zdx and crosstour. you and honda are beating a dead horse. yeah you may or may not like it, but it is a waste of the customers money if the majority do not approve of this product. it is why mazda is phasing out the cx-6. [...]
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You are so right, perhaps it's because Mazda never invested a dime for cx-6!
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Harvey Jr wrote:
Now, can we have a real conversation about these cars? Or do we have to listen to brain surgeons like you, "iahs2k", "DCR", and "integrator" (I'm sure there are others) spout on and on about which car "sux" for lack of (insert feature/spec here) or needs to "die" because you'd never buy it anyway?
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Thank you +1
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integrator
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+1 Ito and Iwamura!
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VTECRacer
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Mansa wrote:
Harvey Jr wrote:
Now, can we have a real conversation about these cars? Or do we have to listen to brain surgeons like you, "iahs2k", "DCR", and "integrator" (I'm sure there are others) spout on and on about which car "sux" for lack of (insert feature/spec here) or needs to "die" because you'd never buy it anyway?
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Thank you +1
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Thank you +2
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integrator
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Since you apparently dont know....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=uuuRfoLmMXQ
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DCR
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Harvey Jr wrote:
Ok, so those are the only two categories to choose from?
I am a Honda fan. Does that mean that I defend every thing they do or say? No. But, in general, I prefer Honda's for many reasons. So anyone that ever defends or has a positive thing to say, in your eyes, is one of the above?
So, using your logic:
Who here is a spoiled 12 year old, and who here is a professional "flamer" that gets his giggles acting like a moron?
Now, can we have a real conversation about these cars? Or do we have to listen to brain surgeons like you, "iahs2k", "DCR", and "integrator" (I'm sure there are others) spout on and on about which car "sux" for lack of (insert feature/spec here) or needs to "die" because you'd never buy it anyway?
I guess this is like High School to you guys, no sense of self respect or respect for others. Just your immature BS over and over and over again.
Do you really think anyone, let alone anyone at Honda will respond to your ridiculous comments and assertions?
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Allow me to lay this out for you.
The Crosstour as an idea is great. The Crosstour in execution is a miserable failure. It may not need to "die", but this update they are planning better be one hell of a positive change, seeing as this is their "future" of design.
If you don't like what I post, the door is that way ----->
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integrator
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onetyme_sam wrote:
does anyone know what honda's projected sales of the CT and zdx were?
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The projected sales were -
Crosstour 40,000 /yr
ZDX 6,000 /yr
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Ganplosive
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+1000
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Ganplosive
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onetyme_sam wrote:
haha not at all. don't see me complaining or crying about how others talk. i dont care about "trolls" they are for people who play WoW. people who cry and use that as an excuse because thats they have nothing better to say either. people who use that word also instigate and promote bad conversations, not just the person giving their negative opinion. this is a forum after all right? is it not allowed to express how you feel to a certain degree? because i didnt know we were in bible school with all the 12 year olds. i currently own a tsx, s2000, and honda accord. owned 2 integras, a civic, crv, and a late accord. how does that sound for loyalty. fanboy? yeah i use to be or maybe still am. but i am also open minded.
yes those cars are separate from another. every car on honda's line up has a focus. look at the late quirky element. it was a utility box. the ridgeline is utility truck and i don't think i have to explain about the cars. the reason why i care about how honda invests their money is because I too like some honda products and wish to see that they build something worth while. why? because they use the money from people like us that buy their products to develop better cars.
lets look it at this. the US goverment uses tax payers money. they spend it as freely as they want pretty much. the goverment awards fisker karma 500 million of tax payers money with some stipulations. fisker karma is pretty much only building technological showcase cars and they may be nice but really isnt getting anywhere, fisker is asking for more of that money without further progress to the stipulations. now i wouldnt say they wasted the money, but it can be better spent if they were a little more frugal and not try to show off so much till its ready. it is uncharted technology really.
Honda is frugal with their money in a stupid way. i don't have to explain sales numbers of the zdx and crosstour. you and honda are beating a dead horse. yeah you may or may not like it, but it is a waste of the customers money if the majority do not approve of this product. it is why mazda is phasing out the cx-6. because it is not worth to compete with the rdx since it has no real segment. the crosstour and zdx segment is really only the bmw x6. i don't mind the eco green movement because it will bring new technology but i don't like how honda waste money to fund stupid projects like the zdx/crosstour. is this a technological showcase? no. however it does have a purpose, just not a focus. and in my eyes, this vehicle is a waste of money to the people who funded this abomination. numbers are a fact, and they cannot be misinterpreted.
my first comment wasnt directed towards anyone. i was being sarcastic because i find it funny how when people get offended on here, they call others trolls. cars are like family, when someone talks crap on it, things get serious
I have explained my reasoning twice. yet you still complain about being tired of seeing bad posts. if you are tired, get some sleep. thats the best advice i have right now.
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Here we go again. I think you're JUST short of 4 cars to be a loyal Honda fan. almost!
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What Honda needs to do is kill the Crosstour completely and introduce an Accord Wagon V6. Like back in the day with the 5th gen Accord.
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