jeffbatt
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No comment needed
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adrianchew
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jeffbatt wrote:
No comment needed
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No shit - I had speculated the LSD could go bye-bye, and it did!
Tragic is just the surface of words that could be used to describe this ILX!
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jeffbatt
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Yeah it could've been so much more appealing with just a few changes. It's almost like they're doing it on purpose now.
Oh well, maybe they'll make a coupe that adresses some of this stuff but I'm not holding my breath.
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adrianchew
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I don't get it at all.
If you're going to offer a better, premium sporty sedan, you'd give it more HP even than the Si. Instead they neutered the ILX?
And long before they came out with the base R20 crap, almost everyone assumed the ILX would have a K24 with the automatic too. People that want the Si but wanted an automatic would have bought the ILX... but with the R20, and its sub-par to Civic MPG ratings, that is also another premium failure.
Acura is beyond done now, they're almost destroyed it. And when they kill the TSX, they'll do even more damage to the Acura brand. The MDX and new RDX are the best Acura offerings really.
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notyper
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Aside from some concerns about the pricing, this was the only other thing that really jumped out at me. Seems rather counterproductive to me, and saves, what, $300-$400 in cost at best?
SC
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DCR
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notyper wrote:
Aside from some concerns about the pricing, this was the only other thing that really jumped out at me. Seems rather counterproductive to me, and saves, what, $300-$400 in cost at best?
SC
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The 8th Gen Accord V6 6MT would like a word with you...it has the exact same glaring omission.
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jeffbatt
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I bet for the OEM the cost differential of an open diff vs. Torsen is way less than that. Especially in this case since they already make that exact transmission for the SI.
Oh well, par for the course these days.
notyper wrote:
Aside from some concerns about the pricing, this was the only other thing that really jumped out at me. Seems rather counterproductive to me, and saves, what, $300-$400 in cost at best?
SC
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notyper
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To some extent I can understand the Accord, since the TL gets one (used to get it in more iterations, but that's another issue). But to go backwards on a more upscale model? Just doesn't make sense.
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DCR
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Nope, it doesn't make sense.
I would have still liked the option of an LSD on the Accord...I'd have paid for it.
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BlackSeries
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Who cares if they didnt put LSD in ILX2.4? Acura is not marketing it as auto-cross burner, and even it came with LSD, it wont as good as SI sedan on track.
I am speculating that there must some sort of A-spec or Type S version in the future to STFU the whiners. I hope it happens LOL!
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Ganplosive
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I have a question, do we know how much of the ILX is sourced off of the civic? I have a feeling that the platform may be the same, but this car is redesigned from the grounds up in anticipation of the ED powertrain. But if this ILX really is just new sheet metal and new interior, then it makes absolutely no sense to not also place the LSD from the Civic Si in since they've already had it.
Do we know how much of this car is actually swappable with the Civic?
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jeffbatt
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I really can't believe there are people saying this doesn't matter.
There are reasons for wanting an LSD that don't involve autocross or track days.
By the way, BlackSeries, except for a couple people on here I think everyone wants the LSD to happen for the 2.4. That's why we're confused/upset that it doesn't.
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Ganplosive
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yeah I don't really care about the entry level 150 hp or the 2.0 version, whatevers just like I don't care about the hybrid getting the LSD lolol but the 2.4 was made specifically for the enthusiasts. If Acura could but didn't, then it's a lil weird
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NSXforever
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It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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DCR
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NSXforever wrote:
It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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The glove box pic was taken by Jeff, and he said Acura hasn't pushed that or made a big deal out of it.
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integrator
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This and a lot of other omissions makes sense... not from a mechanical or performance perspective... only when you consider there's a 60+yo man with an FU personality running the company by spreadsheet in Torrance.
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jeffbatt
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Maybe. You have to wonder why it was staged with "cool" stuff in it, though...
DCR wrote:
NSXforever wrote:
It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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The glove box pic was taken by Jeff, and he said Acura hasn't pushed that or made a big deal out of it.
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superchg2
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Ganplosive wrote:
yeah I don't really care about the entry level 150 hp or the 2.0 version, whatevers just like I don't care about the hybrid getting the LSD lolol but the 2.4 was made specifically for the enthusiasts. If Acura could but didn't, then it's a lil weird
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Especially when it's standard on the (around $7K) less expensive K24 Civic Si!
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lexusgs
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NSXforever wrote:
It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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Sicklex troll is back, now using NSXforever instead of TurboHonda. Why are you even concerned with and posting on here what Acura does when you have deep personal psychological issues with the brand and its owners and always root for them to fail?
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RyanDL
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No LSD = no sale, even though I'm underwhelmed by enough other aspects to turn me off.
They didn't include an LSD on the RSX-S and it was a gross oversight. Even the TSX didn't have it, which was one of the few things it needed to make it epic. This has more torque. You'd think they learned their lesson, but I guess not. What a massive disappointment to me.
Ryan
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VTECRacer
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lexusgs wrote:
NSXforever wrote:
It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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Sicklex troll is back, now using NSXforever instead of TurboHonda. Why are you even concerned with and posting on here what Acura does when you have deep personal psychological issues with the brand and its owners and always root for them to fail?
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LOL Nailed it!
He signed up with a new username last night just so he could bitch me out. Just in the last few months, we have him under the usernames NSXFOREVER, TURBOHONDA, and VTAK9900. Don't even get me started on the usernames he has on other forums, the list is too long, and the more names I list, the more I feel sorry for the guy :/
It's so pathetic and sad. The name 1SICKLEX carries such a bad reputation, that even he himself knows it. Why else would he post under so many different usernames? He is ashamed of himself and has zero self respect. Sad, really.
1SICKLEX, synonymous with TROLL.
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NSXforever
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VTECRacer wrote:
lexusgs wrote:
NSXforever wrote:
It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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Sicklex troll is back, now using NSXforever instead of TurboHonda. Why are you even concerned with and posting on here what Acura does when you have deep personal psychological issues with the brand and its owners and always root for them to fail?
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LOL Nailed it!
He signed up with a new username last night just so he could bitch me out. Just in the last few months, we have him under the usernames NSXFOREVER, TURBOHONDA, and VTAK9900. Don't even get me started on the usernames he has on other forums, the list is too long, and the more names I list, the more I feel sorry for the guy :/
It's so pathetic and sad. The name 1SICKLEX carries such a bad reputation, that even he himself knows it. Why else would he post under so many different usernames? He is ashamed of himself and has zero self respect. Sad, really.
1SICKLEX, synonymous with TROLL.
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Eric you should relax and maybe worry about yourself? Multiple people are attacking you here as a corporate shill and troll reading around for example.
Like many here we are just posting our thoughts. You seem to have a mancrush on 1sicklex :D
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carzak
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Does an LSD make that much of a difference in a car that has traction+stability control? I mean, it seems like at the point the LSD would be engaged, those systems would be active anyway. Or would the LSD operate under the threshold of their engagement somewhat?
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RyanDL
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carzak wrote:
Does an LSD make that much of a difference in a car that has traction+stability control? I mean, it seems like at the point the LSD would be engaged, those systems would be active anyway. Or would the LSD operate under the threshold of their engagement somewhat?
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In a word, yes.
With no LSD, if the inside front tire begins spinning under power, traction control will cut power. Fun police. With an LSD, the power shifts to the outside wheel, so you can continue to power out of the corner.
Ryan
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Hondarulez
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carzak wrote:
Does an LSD make that much of a difference in a car that has traction+stability control? I mean, it seems like at the point the LSD would be engaged, those systems would be active anyway. Or would the LSD operate under the threshold of their engagement somewhat?
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I think it's hard to say. I'd imagine under normal situations, traction+stability system will intervene before LSD starts working. This greatly depends on the threshold of the VSA system and the settings on the LSD.
However, assuming the VSA system is off, LSD can improve performance (vs a car without it). The driver will definitely feel the difference.
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VTECRacer
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NSXforever wrote:
VTECRacer wrote:
lexusgs wrote:
NSXforever wrote:
It is clear this is aimed at non car people and women concerned with price and image and probably have taken LSD before knowing enthusiasts know a LSD is a limited slip diff!
There is a picture of the glovebox open. That is a selling point? lol
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Sicklex troll is back, now using NSXforever instead of TurboHonda. Why are you even concerned with and posting on here what Acura does when you have deep personal psychological issues with the brand and its owners and always root for them to fail?
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LOL Nailed it!
He signed up with a new username last night just so he could bitch me out. Just in the last few months, we have him under the usernames NSXFOREVER, TURBOHONDA, and VTAK9900. Don't even get me started on the usernames he has on other forums, the list is too long, and the more names I list, the more I feel sorry for the guy :/
It's so pathetic and sad. The name 1SICKLEX carries such a bad reputation, that even he himself knows it. Why else would he post under so many different usernames? He is ashamed of himself and has zero self respect. Sad, really.
1SICKLEX, synonymous with TROLL.
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Eric you should relax and maybe worry about yourself? Multiple people are attacking you here as a corporate shill and troll reading around for example.
Like many here we are just posting our thoughts. You seem to have a mancrush on 1sicklex :D
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LOL Eric? It's funny that you're trying to actually pretend you know who I am. I don't have a crush on you, 1SICKLEX, but apparently you have a hard boner for Honda cause you can't stop coming back, no matter how many times you get banned. Just be a man and be proud of who you are. Have some self respect!
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jeffbatt
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The vsa in my 2006 tsx is no substitute in any way, shape, or form for
having an LSD.
If is was, the civic si would have no need for one.
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Price
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RyanDL wrote:
carzak wrote:
Does an LSD make that much of a difference in a car that has traction+stability control? I mean, it seems like at the point the LSD would be engaged, those systems would be active anyway. Or would the LSD operate under the threshold of their engagement somewhat?
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In a word, yes.
With no LSD, if the inside front tire begins spinning under power, traction control will cut power. Fun police. With an LSD, the power shifts to the outside wheel, so you can continue to power out of the corner.
Ryan
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This best thing about my Si is the LSD. The second best thing is the 8600 rpm redline, K20 (with FlashPro). This car has neither. What a bummer.
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Trip
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DCR wrote:
The 8th Gen Accord V6 6MT would like a word with you...it has the exact same glaring omission.
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DCR wrote:
The 8th Gen Accord V6 6MT would like a word with you...it has the exact same glaring omission.
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QFT... So true, needed to quote it twice...
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owequitit
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carzak wrote:
Does an LSD make that much of a difference in a car that has traction+stability control? I mean, it seems like at the point the LSD would be engaged, those systems would be active anyway. Or would the LSD operate under the threshold of their engagement somewhat?
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The LSD makes a HUGE difference in these cars. Especially since FWD cars are so prone to unloading 50% of their thrust tires in cornering.
The LSD is effective at RPM's as low as 2-3K, and is well in use at around town cornering speeds. It helps tremendously in low friction situations (such as snow and ice), and it makes the chassis feel a lot more balanced in just about any kind of sweeping turn. With the way Honda programs VSA, the LSD is well in use before the VSA kicks in to rein in the fun, and when switched off, it isn't even a consideration. I can run many of the local mountain roads and extract the virtues of the LSD long before VSA ever kicks in. It is very appreciated on snow/ice days around here, because it increases the ability to find traction and get going tremendously compared to an open diff FWD car.
Technically, the helical LSD that Honda uses does work to a degree on "threshold." The more the speed differential between the wheels, the more it locks down. The downside is that beyond a specific lock ratio, the diff opens and it becomes an open diff, but you have to really be turning and powering hard to get to that point. My Accord will do it frequently, but the Civic is not as prone due to differences in tuning.
Also, it is just another matter altogether to be able to use thrust to mildly steer the car in a cornering situation (even a mild one). It changes your whole perception about the capabilities of a FWD car, and short of something like an Accord, I don't ever want a FWD car without one ever again.
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