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I'm expecting the design to have:
Revised simpler front end, there are way too much lines zig-zaging the front. I think this part will be the key visual changes, I just don't like how everything sits high.
Cladding for the bottom part of the car replacing the hideous dimple like thingie. If it wants to be a low slung SUV, at least dress like one, or better yet just make it smooth.
Finally... Totally hoping the roofline will taper starting from the C-pillar and not from the B-pillar, giving it more of a wagon look.
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Don't expect any structural metal work changes. Just too expensive.
Expect front end facelift, possibly CRV style.
Not surprised that no spy photos have been seen, rarely see one of these in the first place.
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NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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If they took the thing and put it down to Accord height and gave it a more road-going appeal, I think it would be a great vehicle.
I know i'm in the brash minority of people who like the way it looks, but I do, as a whole. I agree with everyone that there are details that suck--the front end as a whole, the weird pockmarked ground kit, for example--but the overall shape of it is interesting, and it looks fresh and modern. It's big, yeah, but that's sort of okay, especially if they make it a proper GT type car.
A station wagon type touring car type thing would be a great addition to the lineup, whereas there are already enough SUV type vehicles, if you ask me.
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integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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Maybe they will update the front to look more like the 2013 Accord.
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A standard i-MID/rear view camera is desperately needed on the Crosstour. A reshaping of the cargo compartment would be great too, it's too shallow with the hard cargo cover on, about the same height as the Accord sedan.
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It will be a TSX sport wagon with an Accord front.
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Wouldn't that be nice.
In fact it would be perfect given the fact that the TSX is almost certainly being given its last rites and replaced by the CivILX
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" the dimples are functional - aerodynamics ". I know dimples are functional say on a golf ball... but this is such a tiny area, do you really believe that they are for aero use, not to add a visual disguise for the heft of the car?
Who told you this is specifically an aero aid on the CT? Cuz if they did, you got an extra helping of BS.
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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HONDA AFVM
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Midi_Amp wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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Think what "dimples" do for a golf ball..................
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Dimples are styling. End of story unless you can objectively prove otherwise.
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Midi_Amp wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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Think what "dimples" do for a golf ball..................
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Is BS the only way for you to sell these horrid things? Obviously you're not the only salesman in the world just making up stuff to fluff products, so I can't fault you there.
The purpose of the dimples on a golf ball is to create a low pressure wake by manipulating the air flow. It does this by changing the fluid flow dynamics at the front of the golf ball as it is moving and spinning. Unless the Crosstour is sliding sideways, this will have a negligible effect on the sides of an object such as a car. It does, however, have an effect on the bottom and top of a car where it can serve the same purpose as a golf ball (to create a lower pressure wake).
That said, I absolutely love the concept of the Crosstour. The execution to this point has been terrible.
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Chris_6MT wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Midi_Amp wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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Think what "dimples" do for a golf ball..................
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Is BS the only way for you to sell these horrid things? Obviously you're not the only salesman in the world just making up stuff to fluff products, so I can't fault you there.
The purpose of the dimples on a golf ball is to create a low pressure wake by manipulating the air flow. It does this by changing the fluid flow dynamics at the front of the golf ball as it is moving and spinning. Unless the Crosstour is sliding sideways, this will have a negligible effect on the sides of an object such as a car. It does, however, have an effect on the bottom and top of a car where it can serve the same purpose as a golf ball (to create a lower pressure wake).
That said, I absolutely love the concept of the Crosstour. The execution to this point has been terrible.
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I will over look your criticism of me being a sales person and chalk it up as you never experiencing a good Honda Center professional as my self.
When we were trained in person with the Crosstour, we all didn't sit there like robots and gaze into the far away Pixie Hollow land of fairies and unicorns...........We asked questions, and one question that was asked, NOT by me, but by another sales person was "WTHell are those dimples on the bottom of the car, isn't dirt going to get caked into them" We all laughed and waited for the answer..........The HONDA Representative, NOT the 3rd party trainers, the HONDA EMPLOYEE, the Engineer..........Said this, well as best as my memory can state "Those dimples are part to do with aerodynamics and wind noise, it allows the air to flow around the bottom of the car smoother and with out any vibration because of the height and shape of the car, it's acts kind of like what the dimples in a golf ball do, allowing it to fly through the air straight and uninterrupted"
I can't say I am quoiting him verbatim, but I am damn close.........Again, I will forgive the insult as I am trying not to LASH out at people who really have know clue who I am.......Have a wonderful day.
Oh, one more thing, "These Horrid things" are not that hard to sell, we do quite well with them. My only problem with the car is the fact it is not a Boxed back wagon, everything else about the car I love.........and the NEW "Concept" will be a MUCH better rendition of what we have now with changes made to enhance the car..........Don't expect a Box backed wagon, but be surprised........
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If it on the other hand it was for styling instead, it certainly would help to reduce the overall visual weight of its door area without resorting to the clutter of cladding. And dimpling is less expensive - just incorporated into the pressing step.
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Chris_6MT wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Midi_Amp wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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Think what "dimples" do for a golf ball..................
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Is BS the only way for you to sell these horrid things? Obviously you're not the only salesman in the world just making up stuff to fluff products, so I can't fault you there.
The purpose of the dimples on a golf ball is to create a low pressure wake by manipulating the air flow. It does this by changing the fluid flow dynamics at the front of the golf ball as it is moving and spinning. Unless the Crosstour is sliding sideways, this will have a negligible effect on the sides of an object such as a car. It does, however, have an effect on the bottom and top of a car where it can serve the same purpose as a golf ball (to create a lower pressure wake).
That said, I absolutely love the concept of the Crosstour. The execution to this point has been terrible.
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I will over look your criticism of me being a sales person and chalk it up as you never experiencing a good Honda Center professional as my self.
When we were trained in person with the Crosstour, we all didn't sit there like robots and gaze into the far away Pixie Hollow land of fairies and unicorns...........We asked questions, and one question that was asked, NOT by me, but by another sales person was "WTHell are those dimples on the bottom of the car, isn't dirt going to get caked into them" We all laughed and waited for the answer..........The HONDA Representative, NOT the 3rd party trainers, the HONDA EMPLOYEE, the Engineer..........Said this, well as best as my memory can state "Those dimples are part to do with aerodynamics and wind noise, it allows the air to flow around the bottom of the car smoother and with out any vibration because of the height and shape of the car, it's acts kind of like what the dimples in a golf ball do, allowing it to fly through the air straight and uninterrupted"
I can't say I am quoiting him verbatim, but I am damn close.........Again, I will forgive the insult as I am trying not to LASH out at people who really have know clue who I am.......Have a wonderful day.
Oh, one more thing, "These Horrid things" are not that hard to sell, we do quite well with them. My only problem with the car is the fact it is not a Boxed back wagon, everything else about the car I love.........and the NEW "Concept" will be a MUCH better rendition of what we have now with changes made to enhance the car..........Don't expect a Box backed wagon, but be surprised........
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Sorry, but lol at a "Honda Center professional". I've seen enough posts of yours to understand where you are coming from, no worries.
As an engineer, I would say that that particular engineer was likely dumbing it down for you if you are indeed quoting him correctly. The dimples in a golf ball are there to create a rotation and a pressure differential. Neither one of those is applicable on the side of a car, hence my 'salesman speak' reaction. As for wind noise, I can see some potential, but again, the dimples would change the air flow from laminar to turbulent as they do on a golf ball. I would love to see a CFD study on that.
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Maybe it will be the 9th gen accord concept sedan in hatch form? haha!
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saitamahonda
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The dimples are in fact for aerodynamic purposes, to reduce drag.
There are a number of these features on Honda's that are copied on other brands now. For some time now, the side mirrors have had parallel protrusions on the top casing that improve aerodynamics.
I first saw the dimpled surfaces on one of Bar Honda F1's rear undercarriage casing and diffuser panels that were made of carbon fibre.
Your choice to believe or not believe, but what Honda AVFM is saying is absolutely correct. Those with doubts can go look it up themselves. Ignorance is not bliss, especially if you go around saying false information like dimpled surfaces have no aerodynamic purpose. You are a fool to say that.
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Chris_6MT wrote:
The dimples in a golf ball are there to create a rotation and a pressure differential. Neither one of those is applicable on the side of a car, hence my 'salesman speak' reaction. As for wind noise, I can see some potential, but again, the dimples would change the air flow from laminar to turbulent as they do on a golf ball. I would love to see a CFD study on that.
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You're correct in that it'd create turbulence - but again it is for wind noise and vibration. That turbulent air flow is preferred in certain areas because rather than creating large waves that develop at high speeds, it would create destructive interference that would keep peaks and troughs relatively small. Larger waves lashing against the vehicle would create a "warbling" or "looping" sound perceptible to the operator/passengers.
The golfball reference the engineer HONDA AFVM is referring to probably brought it up as an example of how surfaces are designed to maximize the utility of a given mechanism.
I've met AFVM in person and he's no dummy. He's also pretty nice. No reason to attack him.
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TXsalesguy
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Chris_6MT wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Midi_Amp wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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Think what "dimples" do for a golf ball..................
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Is BS the only way for you to sell these horrid things? Obviously you're not the only salesman in the world just making up stuff to fluff products, so I can't fault you there.
The purpose of the dimples on a golf ball is to create a low pressure wake by manipulating the air flow. It does this by changing the fluid flow dynamics at the front of the golf ball as it is moving and spinning. Unless the Crosstour is sliding sideways, this will have a negligible effect on the sides of an object such as a car. It does, however, have an effect on the bottom and top of a car where it can serve the same purpose as a golf ball (to create a lower pressure wake).
That said, I absolutely love the concept of the Crosstour. The execution to this point has been terrible.
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I will over look your criticism of me being a sales person and chalk it up as you never experiencing a good Honda Center professional as my self.
When we were trained in person with the Crosstour, we all didn't sit there like robots and gaze into the far away Pixie Hollow land of fairies and unicorns...........We asked questions, and one question that was asked, NOT by me, but by another sales person was "WTHell are those dimples on the bottom of the car, isn't dirt going to get caked into them" We all laughed and waited for the answer..........The HONDA Representative, NOT the 3rd party trainers, the HONDA EMPLOYEE, the Engineer..........Said this, well as best as my memory can state "Those dimples are part to do with aerodynamics and wind noise, it allows the air to flow around the bottom of the car smoother and with out any vibration because of the height and shape of the car, it's acts kind of like what the dimples in a golf ball do, allowing it to fly through the air straight and uninterrupted"
I can't say I am quoiting him verbatim, but I am damn close.........Again, I will forgive the insult as I am trying not to LASH out at people who really have know clue who I am.......Have a wonderful day.
Oh, one more thing, "These Horrid things" are not that hard to sell, we do quite well with them. My only problem with the car is the fact it is not a Boxed back wagon, everything else about the car I love.........and the NEW "Concept" will be a MUCH better rendition of what we have now with changes made to enhance the car..........Don't expect a Box backed wagon, but be surprised........
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Andrew, once again you have proven to be my favorite TOV member. Thanks for standing up for us cheesy, brainless, say-anything-to-make-a-sale sales guys.
To back you up, the exact same conversation, almost word for word was given by a Honda rep here at the Dallas Ride and drive when the CT debuted.
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HONDA AFVM
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TXsalesguy wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Chris_6MT wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Midi_Amp wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
rocky wrote:
integrator wrote:
NOT having sheetmetal changes would be a severe mistake. There no cohesion in its overall design, and its just too bloated. That's all sheetmetal.
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I said structural sheet metal. Nothing to stop non structural door skins etc.
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The "Dimples" are functional..........Aerodynamics. Electronics will be a BIG update to bring it up to date with the Pilot, CRV and Odyssey. I have my doubts of a "Wagon" change, although I think it would be a FINE change, but CRV is filling that slot, at least Honda thinks that and they want CT to be a "Flagship" car, so this will bring it up to more of that status.........
Changes will be made to the out side, I am hearing HID's/LED's and other high end options that will be on the 2013 Accord, but the CT will not be part of the 2013 change..........It will be a substantial MMC tho. I think that is why it is a "Concept"
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AVFM, are you sure it's for aerodynamics? Because I'm pretty sure that dimpled area has tougher or scratch resistant surface. Its position is very much on spot for trajectory of mud and road debris. So it functions exactly like the body cladding for debris on the CR-V, but without the black plastic that cheapens the overall looks.
As for the sheet metal, Honda did wonder on the Freed. The rear panels above the rear headlights are hollow, it's simply a just a thin panel. The Crosstour could use this kind of "trick" to make the rear half more "beefier". Sure the interior space will be the same, but outside it will look more cohesive.
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Think what "dimples" do for a golf ball..................
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Is BS the only way for you to sell these horrid things? Obviously you're not the only salesman in the world just making up stuff to fluff products, so I can't fault you there.
The purpose of the dimples on a golf ball is to create a low pressure wake by manipulating the air flow. It does this by changing the fluid flow dynamics at the front of the golf ball as it is moving and spinning. Unless the Crosstour is sliding sideways, this will have a negligible effect on the sides of an object such as a car. It does, however, have an effect on the bottom and top of a car where it can serve the same purpose as a golf ball (to create a lower pressure wake).
That said, I absolutely love the concept of the Crosstour. The execution to this point has been terrible.
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I will over look your criticism of me being a sales person and chalk it up as you never experiencing a good Honda Center professional as my self.
When we were trained in person with the Crosstour, we all didn't sit there like robots and gaze into the far away Pixie Hollow land of fairies and unicorns...........We asked questions, and one question that was asked, NOT by me, but by another sales person was "WTHell are those dimples on the bottom of the car, isn't dirt going to get caked into them" We all laughed and waited for the answer..........The HONDA Representative, NOT the 3rd party trainers, the HONDA EMPLOYEE, the Engineer..........Said this, well as best as my memory can state "Those dimples are part to do with aerodynamics and wind noise, it allows the air to flow around the bottom of the car smoother and with out any vibration because of the height and shape of the car, it's acts kind of like what the dimples in a golf ball do, allowing it to fly through the air straight and uninterrupted"
I can't say I am quoiting him verbatim, but I am damn close.........Again, I will forgive the insult as I am trying not to LASH out at people who really have know clue who I am.......Have a wonderful day.
Oh, one more thing, "These Horrid things" are not that hard to sell, we do quite well with them. My only problem with the car is the fact it is not a Boxed back wagon, everything else about the car I love.........and the NEW "Concept" will be a MUCH better rendition of what we have now with changes made to enhance the car..........Don't expect a Box backed wagon, but be surprised........
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Andrew, once again you have proven to be my favorite TOV member. Thanks for standing up for us cheesy, brainless, say-anything-to-make-a-sale sales guys.
To back you up, the exact same conversation, almost word for word was given by a Honda rep here at the Dallas Ride and drive when the CT debuted.
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Thanks buddy......I love Texas! We do get a bad rap........I take it with an in one ear and out the other......I got my Lab results back, and my blood pressure is 129 over 80, my Cholesterol is 151 and my diabetic Hemoglobin A1C is 6.7.....I just can't get excited any more unless it's real big deal, raising a 4 and 8 year old (the 8 year old is Autistic) I have enough stress......and I mostly do it on my own, no wife, she helps out sometimes, but I have them all the time.......So being called insulting names by Chris_6MT is just not worth me ruining my good health........LOL! I know I am good at what I do, a good dad and Honest.......
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NickDC5 wrote:
Chris_6MT wrote:
The dimples in a golf ball are there to create a rotation and a pressure differential. Neither one of those is applicable on the side of a car, hence my 'salesman speak' reaction. As for wind noise, I can see some potential, but again, the dimples would change the air flow from laminar to turbulent as they do on a golf ball. I would love to see a CFD study on that.
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You're correct in that it'd create turbulence - but again it is for wind noise and vibration. That turbulent air flow is preferred in certain areas because rather than creating large waves that develop at high speeds, it would create destructive interference that would keep peaks and troughs relatively small. Larger waves lashing against the vehicle would create a "warbling" or "looping" sound perceptible to the operator/passengers.
The golfball reference the engineer HONDA AFVM is referring to probably brought it up as an example of how surfaces are designed to maximize the utility of a given mechanism.
I've met AFVM in person and he's no dummy. He's also pretty nice. No reason to attack him.
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Pretty nice???........LOL! Just kidding. Thanks for the kind words.......
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saitamahonda wrote:
The dimples are in fact for aerodynamic purposes, to reduce drag.
There are a number of these features on Honda's that are copied on other brands now. For some time now, the side mirrors have had parallel protrusions on the top casing that improve aerodynamics.
I first saw the dimpled surfaces on one of Bar Honda F1's rear undercarriage casing and diffuser panels that were made of carbon fibre.
Your choice to believe or not believe, but what Honda AVFM is saying is absolutely correct. Those with doubts can go look it up themselves. Ignorance is not bliss, especially if you go around saying false information like dimpled surfaces have no aerodynamic purpose. You are a fool to say that.
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saitamahonda............
Thanks, I really didn't think it was going to be this big of a deal, but I know what I have heard and I have customers that work for NASA in Cleveland and one bought a Crosstour and he even pointed it out to me that the dimples were for aerodynamic and sound reasons......He said nobody would make an ugly car even uglier with out those things having a good reason for being there........He was kidding tho.......He said it looked like the a rocket ship.......of course he bought a white one with Navi.......
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DCR
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Regardless, unless I see test data with and without the dimples that shows a dramatic increase in something other than ugly styling, I think it needs to go.
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Powered by Honda
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I always wondered what those dimples were on the crossfail.
I thought it was ugly for the sake of being ugly. Just cuz we can mentality. Different for the sake of being different!
Either way its hideous. You know what makes me mad? The crosstour.
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Pretty nice???........LOL! Just kidding. Thanks for the kind words.......
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Hahaha, well I should say really nice since you did pick up the tab!
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