Jovian8
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Kinda harsh!
http://www.autoextremist.com/
Acura: To paraphrase a great Beatles song, “It’s a real Nowhere Brand, sitting in its Nowhere Land, making all its nowhere plans for nobody.” Acura is stuck in a Dead Brand Zone of its own making. It is supposed to represent the ultimate in Honda thinking and expertise; instead it comes across as a non-essential combatant. What is Acura’s reason for being? Exactly. Brand Perception? It barely even registers. Even with the much-touted NSX three years away. Not good.
Honda: Creatively bankrupt, the car company that squandered its legacy is still floundering in a fog of indecision and a infuriating lack of vision. Brand Perception? “I used to be into Hondas back when they were good, now I drive a Hyundai.”
Hyundai: The car company that upsets and then reinvents the status quo with every new model. Confident, relentless and on an upward trajectory in the market that shows no signs of abating, Hyundai is the industry’s Irresistible Force. Brand Perception? Sophisticated engineering, contemporary design and exceptional value.
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NealX
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I'm certainly willing do all I can, "eight days a week." ;-)
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Nick GravesX
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Jovian8 wrote:
Kinda harsh!
http://www.autoextremist.com/
Acura: To paraphrase a great Beatles song, “It’s a real Nowhere Brand, sitting in its Nowhere Land, making all its nowhere plans for nobody.” Acura is stuck in a Dead Brand Zone of its own making. It is supposed to represent the ultimate in Honda thinking and expertise; instead it comes across as a non-essential combatant. What is Acura’s reason for being? Exactly. Brand Perception? It barely even registers. Even with the much-touted NSX three years away. Not good.
Honda: Creatively bankrupt, the car company that squandered its legacy is still floundering in a fog of indecision and a infuriating lack of vision. Brand Perception? “I used to be into Hondas back when they were good, now I drive a Hyundai.”
Hyundai: The car company that upsets and then reinvents the status quo with every new model. Confident, relentless and on an upward trajectory in the market that shows no signs of abating, Hyundai is the industry’s Irresistible Force. Brand Perception? Sophisticated engineering, contemporary design and exceptional value.
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Dunno - he seems to have nailed most of them quite aptly.
Perception isn't necessarily the same as reality; I'm still amazed by how the Germans are perceived, in spite of their "quality issues".
Kinda harsh, but fair. I've been rebuking Acuronda for much of that for some time now.
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TonyEX
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Jovian8 wrote:
Kinda harsh!
http://www.autoextremist.com/
Acura: To paraphrase a great Beatles song, “It’s a real Nowhere Brand, sitting in its Nowhere Land, making all its nowhere plans for nobody.” Acura is stuck in a Dead Brand Zone of its own making. It is supposed to represent the ultimate in Honda thinking and expertise; instead it comes across as a non-essential combatant. What is Acura’s reason for being? Exactly. Brand Perception? It barely even registers. Even with the much-touted NSX three years away. Not good.
Honda: Creatively bankrupt, the car company that squandered its legacy is still floundering in a fog of indecision and a infuriating lack of vision. Brand Perception? “I used to be into Hondas back when they were good, now I drive a Hyundai.”
Hyundai: The car company that upsets and then reinvents the status quo with every new model. Confident, relentless and on an upward trajectory in the market that shows no signs of abating, Hyundai is the industry’s Irresistible Force. Brand Perception? Sophisticated engineering, contemporary design and exceptional value.
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Peter is a marketing guy and as such deals with perception.
Which is very different from the reality that comes when you buy the car and have to live with it.
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Power Of Dreams
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TonyE wrote:
Jovian8 wrote:
Kinda harsh!
http://www.autoextremist.com/
Acura: To paraphrase a great Beatles song, “It’s a real Nowhere Brand, sitting in its Nowhere Land, making all its nowhere plans for nobody.” Acura is stuck in a Dead Brand Zone of its own making. It is supposed to represent the ultimate in Honda thinking and expertise; instead it comes across as a non-essential combatant. What is Acura’s reason for being? Exactly. Brand Perception? It barely even registers. Even with the much-touted NSX three years away. Not good.
Honda: Creatively bankrupt, the car company that squandered its legacy is still floundering in a fog of indecision and a infuriating lack of vision. Brand Perception? “I used to be into Hondas back when they were good, now I drive a Hyundai.”
Hyundai: The car company that upsets and then reinvents the status quo with every new model. Confident, relentless and on an upward trajectory in the market that shows no signs of abating, Hyundai is the industry’s Irresistible Force. Brand Perception? Sophisticated engineering, contemporary design and exceptional value.
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Peter is a marketing guy and as such deals with perception.
Which is very different from the reality that comes when you buy the car and have to live with it.
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Nobody makes a bad car these days. This isn't the 1990's where a Ford was an abhorrent car compared to its Honda equivalent. The truth is that the competition is making cars that are just as easy to live with as Honda's and in some cases, even more so.
Peter's right that Acura is not the ultimate in Honda thinking and expertise and that Honda is suffering from a deadly lack of vision.
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notyper
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Once again, Delorenzo is full of it. Hyundai branded as sophisticated engineering? Where? Am I looking at the wrong company? Call me when they stop underperforming on the hp and fuel economy ratings and actually manage to develop a ride/handling compromise.
SC
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VTECyo!
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These are very exaggerated. I think the general sentiments of the opinions for Acura, Honda, and Hyundai might be right, but they're very hyperbolic. I (mostly) agree with the comments on Acura, but I do not think that Honda suffers from "...a (sic) infuriating lack of vision." Furthermore, people are not flocking from Hondas in droves as the author would suggest. Honda still pulls higher sales numbers than Hyundai every month, and if that does not indicate anything about perception, I do not know what does. For Hyundai, it is true that many people think Hyundai vehicles represent exceptionally valuable options in competitive segments, but it is not a common feeling that Hyundai "reinvents the status quo with every new model." That statement is ridiculous when applied to any automaker, and it clearly shows where the author's allegiances reside.
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Hondarulez
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I guess that's why the name of that site is called "autoEXTREMIST"...lol
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TonyEX
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notyper wrote:
Once again, Delorenzo is full of it. Hyundai branded as sophisticated engineering? Where? Am I looking at the wrong company? Call me when they stop underperforming on the hp and fuel economy ratings and actually manage to develop a ride/handling compromise.
SC
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To deLorenzo, "sophisticated engineering" all lies on the surface: body design, interior design, touchy feely stuff....
I don't think he's ever change his own oil or steamed cleaned an engine.
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superchg
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Hyundai:
Sophisticated engineering, contemporary design and exceptional value.
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I think Copy-Cat Engineering would be the more accurate description!
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Fan Koni
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superchg wrote:
Hyundai:
Sophisticated engineering, contemporary design and exceptional value.
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I think Copy-Cat Engineering would be the more accurate description!
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...and no good at it - e.g. suspension, DCT, 2.0T...
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FiSH-Chan
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The other day I heard a friend (who just came back from Australia) this quote when we discussing about his cars:
"The car's (a sports car that you buy not for daily driving) never going to be as reliable as a Hyundai".
That's actually really the first time I heard something like that, because in my town there is about ZERO 10-15 year old Hyundais still on the road. Compared to a ton of 30 year old Toyotas and Hondas still on the road. You might say the Hondas and Toyotas outnumber it, but as recently as 15 years ago I see some Hyundais but now I don't see them anymore.
He drives a Lotus Elise, btw, which probably explains why he thinks a Hyundai is more reliable?
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ciwai08
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The core products aren't really affected, even with the misstep in the Civic, but I think if even one of the recent niche products, the CRZ, ZDX, Crosstour or going back a bit, even the Ridgeline had registered higher on the popularity/desirability index it would've greatly helped the brand perception.
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HondaJet
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Can anyone tell me what is sophisticated in a Hyundai? I haven't heard of them in sophisticated Formula One. Nor in sophisticated LeMans. Not in sophisticated Indy Car racing. Heck, not even in sophisticated NASCAR.
My perception of Hyundai is a very sophisticated, contemporary, exceptional valued RENTAL car. I do look for a Hyundai in place of a Dodge or Chevy rental car, that is if a Toyota is not available. Enterprise or National rent-a-car is your best bet for Hyundai availability.
Cheers!
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NealX
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This guy's comments seemed to have drawn out the ire against the other H specifically, but Hyundai isn't the only brand making gains against Honda for better or worse.
PDL's comments can be quickly and easily dismissed if given confidence in the current and future doings of Honda.
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Nick GravesX
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TonyE wrote:
notyper wrote:
Once again, Delorenzo is full of it. Hyundai branded as sophisticated engineering? Where? Am I looking at the wrong company? Call me when they stop underperforming on the hp and fuel economy ratings and actually manage to develop a ride/handling compromise.
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To deLorenzo, "sophisticated engineering" all lies on the surface: body design, interior design, touchy feely stuff....
I don't think he's ever change his own oil or steamed cleaned an engine.
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Exactly the point. It's 'perception' and that's what the majority of car buyers use.
Most actually know Jack Shit about fuck all & rely on stereotypes & prejudices & received wisdom instead. It's what Top Gear's humour relies upon.
One might aregue these marketing wonks are prostituting the modern car industry to new lows, but that is where it's at, sadly.
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