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MalcolmR
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Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-09-2012 17:53
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Marc Morano summarises Chevy Volt, quote: "It's the car for idiots."


Malcolm

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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-09-2012 18:49
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Link is embedded in the headline above.

Or:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p6Xz4C2NQw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
P54
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-09-2012 19:46
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THANKS, MalcolmR


Pjlk-
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-15-2012 19:45
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Quoting Fox News! Shame on you! Letting your politics influence your opinion of cars?
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-15-2012 20:13
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^^
Whats the point of paying $40,000 for a POS VOLT when you can have Prius? Sure, it gives slightly less mpg but its hard to justify $15000 price difference between the two.
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 05:56
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Because when your Prius crashes & burns, everyone assumes you're an idiot with two right feet.

When your Volt crashes & burns, everyone assumes it's because it's a GM.
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 08:42
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BlackSeries wrote:
^^
Whats the point of paying $40,000 for a POS VOLT when you can have Prius? Sure, it gives slightly less mpg but its hard to justify $15000 price difference between the two.


Why not ask a similar question of a person who buys an NSX, Bently, Tesla, ...? For many people, doesn't a car purchase come down to making a "statement" of some sort?
pjlk
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 09:14
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Pjlk- wrote:
BlackSeries wrote:

Whats the point of paying $40,000 for a POS VOLT when you can have Prius? Sure, it gives slightly less mpg but its hard to justify $15000 price difference between the two.


Why not ask a similar question of a person who buys an NSX, Bently, Tesla, ...? For many people, doesn't a car purchase come down to making a "statement" of some sort?
pjlk



Do you think that people buying hybrid econobox just to make a statement? WTF!
Volt's main job is to save money on gas, but the $40K price fails the purpose of Volt.


HONDA AFVM
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 09:27
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Pjlk- wrote:
BlackSeries wrote:
^^
Whats the point of paying $40,000 for a POS VOLT when you can have Prius? Sure, it gives slightly less mpg but its hard to justify $15000 price difference between the two.


Why not ask a similar question of a person who buys an NSX, Bently, Tesla, ...? For many people, doesn't a car purchase come down to making a "statement" of some sort?
pjlk


Pjlk..........

I love your passion for left policy and your dislike for FOX NEWS, although I am a FAN.........but the government is NOT, I stress, NOT subsidizing an NSX or Bentley. The Tesla gets the $7,500 tax credit, which CONVENIENTLY will be $10,000 soon in the Presidents new RIDICULOUS BUDGET.........AND the Tesla got Stimulus money, along with Fisker, which is on the same trail as Sylindra and ALL the other "GREEN" technology that this President so is FORCING down our throats............

If the President used a $5,000 credit for Natural gas vehicles, he could get 2 cars on the road for every ONE Volt, create THOUSANDS of American jobs, 40,000+++ jobs.........and use a domestic fuel...........Money better spent, although I don't really agree with ANY subsidy's at this point of a 16 TRILLION DEBT..........

Investing in Hydrogen and Natural gas IS a better investment then Electric.........You sit here and fault FOX NEWS for reporting on a story that is BASICALLY TRUE, and think their reporting of OTHER stories about our Socialist President is all cut to the right...........maybe so, but you can't argue that the President doesn't want to see his Adopted baby fail, even tho it was dreamed up in 2006.........

Look, the CONCEPT of the Volts power train is GENIUS, PURE GENIUS..........but NOT for a compact car..........NOW, below, THIS LINK, is where the VOLT technology is the BEST........

http://gigaom.com/cleantech/via-motors-rolls-out-converted-hybrid-electric-trucks/

And BTW, Marc Morano DID not say that the Volt was for idiots......if I heard him right, he said the President of AUDI said it, he just agreed with him............
CB77
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 09:34
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Fox has painted itself into a corner with the untenable position of hoping that GM fails.


HONDA AFVM
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 09:45
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CB77 wrote:

Fox has painted itself into a corner with the untenable position of hoping that GM fails.




FOX is not hoping GM fails, O'Reilly, Hannity, Gretta and most of the people on FOX DRIVE GM products, Hannity drives a Hybrid Escalade..............Your rendition of failure by FOX is the fact that GOVERNMENT shouldn't pick winners..........everyone should fail if they can't maintain their budgets.........who is going to bail YOU out..........THAT IS THE POINT FOX is making, NOBODY will bail you or me out...........OR a non union business.........all the DEALERS that were FORCED to close were ALL NON UNION..........

FOX has "PAINTED" them selves into SPOT #1.....and they are that because they report what is in the minds of viewers.........THE BULL SHIT DC DOES..............
CB77
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 10:01
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Yeah, AFVM, but the fact remains that the government HAS "bailed out" GM as you like to say...[actually not a bailout, a loan which will be repaid with interest] so wouldn't it make the most sense to hope that GM is successful, so we get our money back faster, than working for their failure?

This is really a "two-fer" for Fox. They get to hype their dislike of the current administration, along with their dislike of the green movement. And when you respond back, you can save some time by just hitting the Caps Lock on your keyboard.

A77
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 10:02
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GM just announced record profits (dunno how this is possible given the amount of public money given to them and not given back but anyway) but this thread has nothing to do with Fox's political bias surely. Andrew is right to criticise all these ridiculous rebates given for electric and hybrid cars, grants given to start ups like Tesla and Fisker etc. Here in rebateless Alberta nobody buys electrics or hybrids, apart from a few Pruises. I think it's already proven that the NG Civic is the cleanest car on the market. absurd it gets no such benefits.

Car and Driver recently proved that the Cruze ECO (not a particularly economical car anyway) got better highway mileage than the Volt.

but the superbowl ads are all about building company image, not selling one thing. if the Volt is a halo product, is helping to garnish GMs image and getting more people into showrooms and getting better sales, then who cares.

I am not going to get into the politics of obama supporting the Volt - . Just get rid of all these subsidies, farming too for that matter. here and in the EU. new Zealand did and their economy prospered.
CarGuyLee
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 10:06
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People who complain about the volt are so funny to me. Your are paying for the technology...maybe it will be cheaper one day but when something first comes out it's usually pretty high. If it wasn't worthwhile tech, then Honda, Toyota Ford wouldn't be coming out with plug in Hybrids....oh that cost pretty similar.

Just like when any new smartphone comes out... why get it and pay $200-300 (only if it's time for an upgrade, otherwise plan for 500-600) when you can buy the one that's 6 months old for $50. Because people want the newest thing, it's status. I think of people who will only buy Apple because they think it's so much better, and I think of the people who buy Prius as similar, but in reality there are products out there that can give you close results.

And don't ever tell me people buy hybrids to save money. You don't ever save money by buying a hybrid untill about 150,000 miles....with gas prices fluxing, it will be different each time you calculate. But compare a hybrid MPG and MSRP to a Civic/Corolla or anything like that, and it takes a long time to make of for the hybrid extra cost.
CB77
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 10:24
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CarGuyLee,

Yes, I agree. Hybrids don't make much sense right now...at least from a dollars and cents standpoint. Most people who are buying them are doing so because of a concern for ecology (or wanting an image of being concerned about ecology), or in preparation for the time when hybrids WILL make economic sense...when gas hits $5, $6 and $7 (notice I say when, not if).

All of the makers must see this day in the offing...and probably not that far away, or they would not be on the Hybrid/Electric bandwagon. Being a long-time advocate (and enthusiast for) big, powerful, good-sounding gasoline engines, I have been frustrated by Honda's early-adoption of this green path.

But as we have discussed here before, Honda prides itself in being the contrarian...taking "the road less traveled" (or even the road not thought of). That philosophy has worked well for them several times in the past. Time will tell if it will work for them this time. It seems like Honda is pushing "green-ness" a little bit too much before the general public is really asking for it. It gives me a lot of concern about the new NSX.

HONDA AFVM
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 10:36
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CB77 wrote:

Yeah, AFVM, but the fact remains that the government HAS "bailed out" GM as you like to say...[actually not a bailout, a loan which will be repaid with interest] so wouldn't it make the most sense to hope that GM is successful, so we get our money back faster, than working for their failure?

This is really a "two-fer" for Fox. They get to hype their dislike of the current administration, along with their dislike of the green movement. And when you respond back, you can save some time by just hitting the Caps Lock on your keyboard.



Nobody wants GM to fail........it would devastate the suppliers market.......I want them to succeed, BUT, they are getting special favors........if the Volt didn't exist, I doubt the tax credit would be $7,500 and moving up to $10,000......

AND, at $11 bucks a share, they HARDLY paid anyone back. there is still over a $20 BILLION dollar debt owes and the stock would have to rise to $38 a share to break even..........A lot of the money was SUPPOSEDLY paid back by NOT taking money that was set aside, so they applies THAT money to the loan, so it REALLY didn't go anywhere.........

Jobs were saved, and GM is on an upswing, BUT, they are not the GM they used to be and the unions are getting restless......they want every bit of extra profit in bonus to their workers..........if the unions had their way, GM would be back in the red in 4 years........
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 10:44
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CarGuyLee wrote:
People who complain about the volt are so funny to me. Your are paying for the technology...maybe it will be cheaper one day but when something first comes out it's usually pretty high. If it wasn't worthwhile tech, then Honda, Toyota Ford wouldn't be coming out with plug in Hybrids....oh that cost pretty similar.

Just like when any new smartphone comes out... why get it and pay $200-300 (only if it's time for an upgrade, otherwise plan for 500-600) when you can buy the one that's 6 months old for $50. Because people want the newest thing, it's status. I think of people who will only buy Apple because they think it's so much better, and I think of the people who buy Prius as similar, but in reality there are products out there that can give you close results.

And don't ever tell me people buy hybrids to save money. You don't ever save money by buying a hybrid untill about 150,000 miles....with gas prices fluxing, it will be different each time you calculate. But compare a hybrid MPG and MSRP to a Civic/Corolla or anything like that, and it takes a long time to make of for the hybrid extra cost.


I bought a Hybrid to save money, I am a TEA PARTY, SARAH PALIN LOVING, REPUBLICAN............and I save about $120.00 a month over my previous car........I have put 31,000 miles on my hybrid in 19 months........I DRIVE......My pay back is 4 years.......IF I bought it new, but I bought is USED, so it cost me NOTHING more then a regular Civic EX..........of the same year........It makes sense.......to get 600+ miles from 13 gallons of gas and buy a fuel that sure, comes from Canada, but 80% of that money goes OUT of America, so I am softening that blow........
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 11:02
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CarGuyLee wrote:
People who complain about the volt are so funny to me. Your are paying for the technology...maybe it will be cheaper one day but when something first comes out it's usually pretty high. If it wasn't worthwhile tech, then Honda, Toyota Ford wouldn't be coming out with plug in Hybrids....oh that cost pretty similar.

Just like when any new smartphone comes out... why get it and pay $200-300 (only if it's time for an upgrade, otherwise plan for 500-600) when you can buy the one that's 6 months old for $50. Because people want the newest thing, it's status. I think of people who will only buy Apple because they think it's so much better, and I think of the people who buy Prius as similar, but in reality there are products out there that can give you close results.

And don't ever tell me people buy hybrids to save money. You don't ever save money by buying a hybrid untill about 150,000 miles....with gas prices fluxing, it will be different each time you calculate. But compare a hybrid MPG and MSRP to a Civic/Corolla or anything like that, and it takes a long time to make of for the hybrid extra cost.


I bought a Hybrid to save money, I am a TEA PARTY, SARAH PALIN LOVING, REPUBLICAN............and I save about $120.00 a month over my previous car........I have put 31,000 miles on my hybrid in 19 months........I DRIVE......My pay back is 4 years.......IF I bought it new, but I bought is USED, so it cost me NOTHING more then a regular Civic EX..........of the same year........It makes sense.......to get 600+ miles from 13 gallons of gas and buy a fuel that sure, comes from Canada, but 80% of that money goes OUT of America, so I am softening that blow........



So your saying skip buying a new hybrid and buy a used one because the resale drops so quick that it's the same price as the regular car in a couple of years? Does it continue to fall like that? So in 10 years will the hybrid be woth $2000 and the non be worth $5000? You are right that is a good reason not to buy a new hybrid, let some sucker take that big hit. What do you tell your new customer if they ask you about hybrid deprecation?

For me, if I were looking at one it would probably be new so that's the figures I am considering. However after such a huge drop in resale I don't think i would consider one now. That is the reason I traded my Chevy in for a Honday, i wanted it to be worth something in 6-10 years. So if I were to look at a Prius for $24K, and a Civic for $19K, considering I could get 34 out of the civic, and 50 out of the prius, even at $5 a gallon it would take 5 years to make up the difference. And the non hybrid would be worth more if what you are saying is accurate.
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 11:05
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The sales of the Volt have been relatively low, but there are a few forums out there where owners are discussing the ownership experience. One of my favorite reads is this, where a Volt owner takes a Cruze Eco out for a drive:

http://www.mychevroletvolt.com/chevy-cruze-eco-review-from-a-chevy-volt-owner

Near the end, he says:

We pulled into Santa Barbara, 436 Miles Later, at an Average Fuel Economy of 39.4 MPG. As Advertised by the EPA. As I watched the beautiful California sunset the Cruze had started to grow on me. I was pleasantly surprised in ways I did not think I would be. What’s interesting is that you wouldn’t really see everything there is about a Cruze Eco in a short test drive. I’m happy that I found out there’s more to this Cruze than I expected.

So to answer the questions posed above having driven both cars, I would still buy a Volt over a Cruze, but that’s just me, someone who’s willing to pay the $20,000 premium to drive latest vehicle technology. Is the Volt a halo car? Yes it is. But honestly, the Cruze can stand on its own merits.


That, my friends, is all about spending an additional 20 grand to make a statement. Personally, I think that amount of money could be used more wisely, and really, the Volt makes little sense at the price they are asking.

I am also going to go out on a limb here and assume the Volts already sold are going to be nightmares for the owners, at some point. If you read up on the technical aspects of the car, and the sheer amount of electronics involved, it doesn't take much to see the huge potential for failures.

Also, the Volt has not gained nearly enough of a foothold in the market to fend of the likes of the Prius plug-in. Toyota has a firm death grip on the green scene and GM isn't remotely close to scratching that. The Prius platform is mature, reliable and trusted (even escaped the unintended acceleration thing). With a starting price of $8-9k cheaper than the Volt, even with a smaller battery, the Prius Pluggy is poised to execute the Volt.


CarGuyLee
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 11:06
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I drive about 20,000 miles a year btw
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DCR wrote:
The sales of the Volt have been relatively low, but there are a few forums out there where owners are discussing the ownership experience. One of my favorite reads is this, where a Volt owner takes a Cruze Eco out for a drive:

http://www.mychevroletvolt.com/chevy-cruze-eco-review-from-a-chevy-volt-owner

Near the end, he says:

We pulled into Santa Barbara, 436 Miles Later, at an Average Fuel Economy of 39.4 MPG. As Advertised by the EPA. As I watched the beautiful California sunset the Cruze had started to grow on me. I was pleasantly surprised in ways I did not think I would be. What’s interesting is that you wouldn’t really see everything there is about a Cruze Eco in a short test drive. I’m happy that I found out there’s more to this Cruze than I expected.

So to answer the questions posed above having driven both cars, I would still buy a Volt over a Cruze, but that’s just me, someone who’s willing to pay the $20,000 premium to drive latest vehicle technology. Is the Volt a halo car? Yes it is. But honestly, the Cruze can stand on its own merits.


That, my friends, is all about spending an additional 20 grand to make a statement. Personally, I think that amount of money could be used more wisely, and really, the Volt makes little sense at the price they are asking.

I am also going to go out on a limb here and assume the Volts already sold are going to be nightmares for the owners, at some point. If you read up on the technical aspects of the car, and the sheer amount of electronics involved, it doesn't take much to see the huge potential for failures.

Also, the Volt has not gained nearly enough of a foothold in the market to fend of the likes of the Prius plug-in. Toyota has a firm death grip on the green scene and GM isn't remotely close to scratching that. The Prius platform is mature, reliable and trusted (even escaped the unintended acceleration thing). With a starting price of $8-9k cheaper than the Volt, even with a smaller battery, the Prius Pluggy is poised to execute the Volt.





So why pay the $8000 more for the plug in prius than the regular prius? Are you going to save $8000 more than in the regular prius?
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 11:36
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I want to make a statement.
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
People who complain about the volt are so funny to me. Your are paying for the technology...maybe it will be cheaper one day but when something first comes out it's usually pretty high. If it wasn't worthwhile tech, then Honda, Toyota Ford wouldn't be coming out with plug in Hybrids....oh that cost pretty similar.

Just like when any new smartphone comes out... why get it and pay $200-300 (only if it's time for an upgrade, otherwise plan for 500-600) when you can buy the one that's 6 months old for $50. Because people want the newest thing, it's status. I think of people who will only buy Apple because they think it's so much better, and I think of the people who buy Prius as similar, but in reality there are products out there that can give you close results.

And don't ever tell me people buy hybrids to save money. You don't ever save money by buying a hybrid untill about 150,000 miles....with gas prices fluxing, it will be different each time you calculate. But compare a hybrid MPG and MSRP to a Civic/Corolla or anything like that, and it takes a long time to make of for the hybrid extra cost.


I bought a Hybrid to save money, I am a TEA PARTY, SARAH PALIN LOVING, REPUBLICAN............and I save about $120.00 a month over my previous car........I have put 31,000 miles on my hybrid in 19 months........I DRIVE......My pay back is 4 years.......IF I bought it new, but I bought is USED, so it cost me NOTHING more then a regular Civic EX..........of the same year........It makes sense.......to get 600+ miles from 13 gallons of gas and buy a fuel that sure, comes from Canada, but 80% of that money goes OUT of America, so I am softening that blow........



So your old car got about 22MPG on average and the Hybrid 40MPG on average? That would work out to about $118 a month with gas at $3.40. What was your old car?
CB77
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 14:21
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
CB77 wrote:

Yeah, AFVM, but the fact remains that the government HAS "bailed out" GM as you like to say...[actually not a bailout, a loan which will be repaid with interest] so wouldn't it make the most sense to hope that GM is successful, so we get our money back faster, than working for their failure?

This is really a "two-fer" for Fox. They get to hype their dislike of the current administration, along with their dislike of the green movement. And when you respond back, you can save some time by just hitting the Caps Lock on your keyboard.



Nobody wants GM to fail........it would devastate the suppliers market.......I want them to succeed, BUT, they are getting special favors........if the Volt didn't exist, I doubt the tax credit would be $7,500 and moving up to $10,000......

AND, at $11 bucks a share, they HARDLY paid anyone back. there is still over a $20 BILLION dollar debt owes and the stock would have to rise to $38 a share to break even..........A lot of the money was SUPPOSEDLY paid back by NOT taking money that was set aside, so they applies THAT money to the loan, so it REALLY didn't go anywhere.........

Jobs were saved, and GM is on an upswing, BUT, they are not the GM they used to be and the unions are getting restless......they want every bit of extra profit in bonus to their workers..........if the unions had their way, GM would be back in the red in 4 years........



GM stock is at $26.92, as I write this...so you are a little off on your statement that it is at $11 (actually off by a factor of over 2). When it was issued in late 2010 (under the reorganization) it was at about $34.26. The lowest it has been since then was at $19.05 in December of last year. $11 sounds like something that Fox would put out.

Yes, you are right...I wish it was at $46.92 or $66.92, not where it is. It probably could-be/would-be higher without the continual carping and bitching about it by Fox. It has been my experience that if you have to exaggerate or distort facts to make your case...you may not have much of a case. I am not referring to you, I am referring to Fox.



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[Forgot this...]



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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 14:44
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Nick Graves wrote:
Because when your Prius crashes & burns, everyone assumes you're an idiot with two right feet.

When your Volt crashes & burns, everyone assumes it's because it's a GM.



Oh so true!
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The sales of the Volt have been relatively low, but there are a few forums out there where owners are discussing the ownership experience. One of my favorite reads is this, where a Volt owner takes a Cruze Eco out for a drive:

http://www.mychevroletvolt.com/chevy-cruze-eco-review-from-a-chevy-volt-owner

Near the end, he says:

We pulled into Santa Barbara, 436 Miles Later, at an Average Fuel Economy of 39.4 MPG. As Advertised by the EPA. As I watched the beautiful California sunset the Cruze had started to grow on me. I was pleasantly surprised in ways I did not think I would be. What’s interesting is that you wouldn’t really see everything there is about a Cruze Eco in a short test drive. I’m happy that I found out there’s more to this Cruze than I expected.

So to answer the questions posed above having driven both cars, I would still buy a Volt over a Cruze, but that’s just me, someone who’s willing to pay the $20,000 premium to drive latest vehicle technology. Is the Volt a halo car? Yes it is. But honestly, the Cruze can stand on its own merits.


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I drove a Cruze for over 9000kms and the more I drove it the less I liked it. badly designed instrumentation - invisible due to reflections with over head sun, awful seat back, silly gearing, under-powered for its weight, poor gas mileage. Initial impressions were good - nicely finished interior, great legroom in the front, nice features, good ride and handling. so I beg to differ...

That said...Two hybrid owners have come to see me recently - one for totally different reasons but I checked the mileage computer on his car and over 3000kms+ was a horrible 8.3 litres per 100 kms - 34 imperial or about 27 US... barely better than my VR6....in an HCH. And another today who had kept records for nearly 2 years of the amount of gas she bought and how many kms. 7.4 ltr/100kms or 37 imp, say 30US. In a CRZ, and she's a pensioner. Of course a lot of this is driving style, but it shows that just because you buy a hybrid doesnt mean your getting better mileage than a regular ICE. The HCH driver is retired too. Maybe lots of short journeys.
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 19:20
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People who complain about the volt are so funny to me. Your are paying for the technology...maybe it will be cheaper one day but when something first comes out it's usually pretty high. If it wasn't worthwhile tech, then Honda, Toyota Ford wouldn't be coming out with plug in Hybrids....oh that cost pretty similar.

Just like when any new smartphone comes out... why get it and pay $200-300 (only if it's time for an upgrade, otherwise plan for 500-600) when you can buy the one that's 6 months old for $50. Because people want the newest thing, it's status. I think of people who will only buy Apple because they think it's so much better, and I think of the people who buy Prius as similar, but in reality there are products out there that can give you close results.

And don't ever tell me people buy hybrids to save money. You don't ever save money by buying a hybrid untill about 150,000 miles....with gas prices fluxing, it will be different each time you calculate. But compare a hybrid MPG and MSRP to a Civic/Corolla or anything like that, and it takes a long time to make of for the hybrid extra cost.


I bought a Hybrid to save money, I am a TEA PARTY, SARAH PALIN LOVING, REPUBLICAN............and I save about $120.00 a month over my previous car........I have put 31,000 miles on my hybrid in 19 months........I DRIVE......My pay back is 4 years.......IF I bought it new, but I bought is USED, so it cost me NOTHING more then a regular Civic EX..........of the same year........It makes sense.......to get 600+ miles from 13 gallons of gas and buy a fuel that sure, comes from Canada, but 80% of that money goes OUT of America, so I am softening that blow........



So your saying skip buying a new hybrid and buy a used one because the resale drops so quick that it's the same price as the regular car in a couple of years? Does it continue to fall like that? So in 10 years will the hybrid be woth $2000 and the non be worth $5000? You are right that is a good reason not to buy a new hybrid, let some sucker take that big hit. What do you tell your new customer if they ask you about hybrid deprecation?

For me, if I were looking at one it would probably be new so that's the figures I am considering. However after such a huge drop in resale I don't think i would consider one now. That is the reason I traded my Chevy in for a Honday, i wanted it to be worth something in 6-10 years. So if I were to look at a Prius for $24K, and a Civic for $19K, considering I could get 34 out of the civic, and 50 out of the prius, even at $5 a gallon it would take 5 years to make up the difference. And the non hybrid would be worth more if what you are saying is accurate.


No, that is NOT what I am saying, that is what YOU are saying. Don't forget, I work for a dealer, I got my car very cheap........but even if I would have paid the retail price, used for a 2007 Civic Hybrid in 2010 with 7,700 miles on it, it was valued at around $18,000, I still would have bought it.........I have close to 38,000 miles on it now and I can sell it for at least $16,000. That's $1,000 more then I paid after all the adds I put on it. Used Hybrids last about a week here.........

You can't look at the pay back on this car, you have to look at it as just another car that gets great MPG and leave it at that........If you are buying it for pay back, then don't buy it.......I bought it simply because I didn't want to PISS my hard earned money away on something that burns away, like gasoline, but paying more for a car, that is NOT a waste, it is something I will get every penny back.......I save on average $120 a month, that's $1,440 a year, I keep the car for 5 years, that's $7,200. I paid $15,000 with all the adds......in 5 years I should get $8 or $9 grand for it easy with 100K on it.......

So, how much did I REALLY lose...........Not much if you can even call it a loss. If I would have paid $18,000 for it, then I suppose the loss would be around $3,000, but in 3 years gas should be $4.50, so my savings will be greater so that $3,000 will be eaten up AND the value of my Hybrid might be $10 or $11 grand because of the demand for used hybrids.........

I guess I look at things MUCH different then YOU! WHY?, cause I REALLY am a "Car Guy"....LMAO.......
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 19:24
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Yeah, AFVM, but the fact remains that the government HAS "bailed out" GM as you like to say...[actually not a bailout, a loan which will be repaid with interest] so wouldn't it make the most sense to hope that GM is successful, so we get our money back faster, than working for their failure?

This is really a "two-fer" for Fox. They get to hype their dislike of the current administration, along with their dislike of the green movement. And when you respond back, you can save some time by just hitting the Caps Lock on your keyboard.



Nobody wants GM to fail........it would devastate the suppliers market.......I want them to succeed, BUT, they are getting special favors........if the Volt didn't exist, I doubt the tax credit would be $7,500 and moving up to $10,000......

AND, at $11 bucks a share, they HARDLY paid anyone back. there is still over a $20 BILLION dollar debt owes and the stock would have to rise to $38 a share to break even..........A lot of the money was SUPPOSEDLY paid back by NOT taking money that was set aside, so they applies THAT money to the loan, so it REALLY didn't go anywhere.........

Jobs were saved, and GM is on an upswing, BUT, they are not the GM they used to be and the unions are getting restless......they want every bit of extra profit in bonus to their workers..........if the unions had their way, GM would be back in the red in 4 years........



GM stock is at $26.92, as I write this...so you are a little off on your statement that it is at $11 (actually off by a factor of over 2). When it was issued in late 2010 (under the reorganization) it was at about $34.26. The lowest it has been since then was at $19.05 in December of last year. $11 sounds like something that Fox would put out.

Yes, you are right...I wish it was at $46.92 or $66.92, not where it is. It probably could-be/would-be higher without the continual carping and bitching about it by Fox. It has been my experience that if you have to exaggerate or distort facts to make your case...you may not have much of a case. I am not referring to you, I am referring to Fox.





I don't know where I got the $11 dollar number, maybe it needed to go up $11 dollars to break even, and it wasn't FOX news.........Read this link, it makes sense........read the comments too.......even more sense.......

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120216/OEM/120219893/1492
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Re: Chevy Volt: "The car for (Fox-Viewing) idiots"    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-16-2012 19:28
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I drive about 20,000 miles a year btw

So you are better off paying the extra money for a Civic hybrid because on 13 gallons of fuel you can drive 550 to 650 miles. You can't do that on your Hyundai and the tank is a bit bigger........$100 bucks gets me 1,000 to 1,100 miles.......that's INSANE.......it cost me more twice that in my Vibtrix that got 30MPG........and on 15 gallons I was lucky to get 450 miles.........
 
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