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By a Czech physicist.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/08/sciam-gavin-schmidt-despise-climate.html
Do you know what physicists study? They're real scientists of the real-world. Not the UN IPCC's fraudulent and error-riddled computer 'projections' repeatedly proven wrong.
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Internationally regarded palaeoclimatologist:
http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2011/10/opinion-stick-to-science
Do you know what palaeoclimatologists study? They study Earth's past climate and link to present climate. They're real scientists of the real-world. Not the UN IPCC's fraudulent and error-riddled computer 'projections' repeatedly proven wrong.
Pjlk, thank you for the opportunity to post yet more material exposing your misrepresentations of climate.
Malcolm
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CR-V9.
In an earlier post you raised NOAA. Are you aware who funds NOAA? USA government.
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/12/science-by-lubchencos-noaa-fake-global-warming-by-changing-historical-temperature-data.html
Why do you believe all of NOAA's claims without checking the real-world science?
Why do you believe all of NOAA's claims yet ignore the basic questions on climate?
Like NASA, parts of NOAA do solid scientific work. Other parts, it seems, simply push false science apparently to push unfounded climate alarm.
Why do you support calls to harm humans?
http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/Thriving%20with%20nature%20and%20humanity_single.pdf
Why do you support calls to harm humanity?
http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/The%20Eco%20Fraud_Part%203.pdf
Why do you support calls to harm the environment?
http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/The%20Eco%20Fraud_Part%202.pdf
Why do you spread corruption of science?
http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/The%20Eco%20Fraud_part%201.pdf
http://www.galileomovement.com.au
You guys are becoming boring? Pjlk and CR-V9 your posts are so easy to expose.
Why? Because your posts contradict real-world facts.
When will you realise that it your posts and comments simply comes back on yourself?
Malcolm
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From The Australian newspaper, We.21.12.11
Douglas Mawson centenary trip to Antarctica frozen as cold reality sets in
BY: MATTHEW DENHOLM, ANTARCTICA From: The Australian December 21, 2011 12:00AM
Pack ice as far as the eye can see confronts the historic Aurora Expedition's Akademik Shokalskiy, which was forced to turn back. Picture: Matthew Denholm Source: The Australian
ONE hundred years after Douglas Mawson's first Australian-led Antarctic expedition was almost defeated by thick pack ice, the same problem has stumped those seeking to follow in his wake.
Unusually dense ice floes off the coast of East Antarctica, and particularly Mawson's landing spot of January 1912, Commonwealth Bay, have in recent days repelled private expeditions seeking to commemorate the centenary of the historic event.
Three tourist expeditions have been unable to make planned visits to Mawson's Hut, the timber shack used as a base for the landmark 1911-1914 Australasian Antarctic Expedition.
Instead they have been treated to a vast sea of densely compacted ice floes that experienced expeditioners describe as unprecedented in recent history.
Howard Whelan, expedition leader aboard the Aurora Expedition's ice-strengthened ship Akademik Shokalskiy, said: "I've never seen it like this." A veteran of 50 trips to Antarctica, including five to East Antarctica over 14 years, Mr Whelan said the Shokalskiy tried for several days to penetrate the pack ice, which is driven by wind and waves.
However, like two other ships, the Orion and Spirit of Enderby, it had been ultimately forced to turn back, fearing it would otherwise be trapped in pack ice as dense as 8/10ths and 9/10ths (ice surface to visible water).
"At the thinnest point where we were trying to work our way through, it (the pack ice) would have been about 120 miles (193km) long so still a fairly significant band," Mr Whelan said.
"The narrowest part of this pack-ice band across this coast, including the marginal ice, is well in excess of 200 miles and 250 miles in most places. And it goes way out into the Ross Sea and hundreds of miles to the west of us."
The three ships departed Hobart on December 2, the same date Mawson's expedition had sailed from the Tasmanian capital 100 years earlier.
Mawson's expedition was the first to set foot on, explore and map a 3200km area of the frozen continent between Cape Adare and Gaussberg. While marred by the tragic deaths of expeditioners Xavier Mertz and Belgrave Ninnis, it laid the basis for Australia's territorial claims and scientific presence in Antarctica.
Aboard the Aurora, Mawson's expedition entered and retreated from thick pack ice and at times feared it would not make land.
"The pack grew heavier and the bergs more numerous, embattled in a formidable array," Mawson would later write. "It was impenetrable. No water-sky showed as a distant beacon; all over was reflected the pitiless, white glare of the ice."
Eventually, on January 8, 1912, the Aurora managed to reach land at what would be named Cape Denison and become the AAE's main base.
Jan Lieser, glaciologist with the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-operative Research Centre, said the unusual conditions 100 years later were linked to large icebergs trapping sea ice.
"The sea ice conditions are mainly driven by the presence of this large iceberg, former B09B, (that) originated from the Ross Sea as B09 in 1987," Dr Lieser said.
B09 broke into two pieces - B09A and B09B - and in February last year B09B collided with the Mertz Glacier tongue. This forced the ice tongue to break away from the glacier and form another berg. Soon after, B09B became grounded in shallow waters in front of Commonwealth Bay.
B09B has since broken into three bergs. All the bergs act as barriers, damming sea ice that would otherwise drift westward along the coast.
As well, the bergs act as anchor points for "fast-ice" that attaches to land.
From the bow of a ship in heavy pack ice, the sea appears a heaving, endless icescape.
Mawson's Huts Foundation director Greg Holland, aboard the Shokalskiy, said the failure to reach Cape Denison was disappointing, but provided insight into the difficulties of Antarctic travel.
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In the above article, think how some media would have reported the story if it discussed something to do with warming. It would've been blown up and sensationalised. An academic funded by government would've been asked to give his opinion. That would've been that it is incontrovertible proof that human CO2 causes global warming, catastrophic global warming.
Even in this article, consider this paragraph, quote: "Howard Whelan, expedition leader aboard the Aurora Expedition's ice-strengthened ship Akademik Shokalskiy, said: "I've never seen it like this." A veteran of 50 trips to Antarctica, including five to East Antarctica over 14 years, Mr Whelan said the Shokalskiy tried for several days to penetrate the pack ice, which is driven by wind and waves."
"I've never seen it like this." Wow.
"A veteran of 50 trips to Antarctica". Wow.
"including five to East Antarctica over 14 years". 14 years? Come on. That's less than half the common cycle of El Nino ocean-atmosphere cycles.
"the pack ice, which is driven by wind and waves". Oh, you mean it's not human CO2 driving ice packs.
Yet if it was about warming and sensationalised, 'experts' blame human CO2.
How about some respect for Nature? Lets cut politicians' arrogance.
We can affect regional climate through land clearing. We are not even close to being able to control global climate.
How about restoring respect for science?
How about restoring integrity to climate science?
Arctic temperatures were warmer in the 1940's than in recent decades including the current decade.
A question for our fabricators of global warming on this site: did a reduction of global atmospheric CO2 levels cause this thickening of Antarctic ice floes? Unprecedented in one man's 14 years?
14 years
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Does climate change? Of course. It has been changing for billions of years. Any visitor to the Grand Canyon can see billions of years of changing climate simply by looking at the rock strata variation on the far wall of the canyon.
What about this?
http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/History/history_of_the_land_geological-timeline_of_antarctica.htm
Look near bottom of page: "Pliocene era 7 - 0 MYA (million years ago)
2 - 5 MYA: Fossilized plant remains found from this period, imply that the ice sheets have advanced and melted many times over the ages."
Where were the SUV's and coal-fired power stations? Did they come and go too?
Wait, there's ice on Antarctica now. And it's growing.
Hmmm?
Still waiting CR-V9 for your evidence of human causation.
Malcolm
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Yet another catastrophe.
In fact, many more catastrophes. All in one year.
http://www.real-science.com/climate-target-1927
The world is ending.
1927.
Malcolm
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Ian McFadyen is a comedian and artist, and possibly a former journalist
He provides an excellent example of doing some thinking and then asking sensible questions.
It's basic.
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~imcfadyen/essays/Big%20Lie%2001.htm
After doing his own reading to answer the basic questions, he made a simple conclusion: the notion that human production of CO2 caused global warming is a lie.
A little thinking. A few questions. A little reading. A little critical thinking. Much peace.
End of Greens' inspired guilt. End of their unfounded spreading of fear. Freedom from fear and guilt.
No calls to hurt humanity, humans or the environment.
Just peace. And freedom. And ease.
Malcolm
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Realisation is building among real scientists that the greenhouse gas effect supposition contradicts the laws of physics.
It certainly is contradicted by real-world observations.
http://www.slayingtheskydragon.com/en/blog/189-greenhouse-gas-theory-trashed-as-dissenters-build-compelling-case
Dr Roy Spencer has long been a strong sceptic of the notion that human CO2 caused warming yet he supported the greenhouse gas effect supposition. It seems he is now opening his mind to the growing realisation that the greenhouse gas supposition is false.
Malcolm
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Best wishes to all for a happy, safe Christmas and a happy, safe and successful New Year.
In 2012, lets reclaim our personal freedom and our nations' freedom.
Malcolm
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Sea ice is growing, not shrinking:
http://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_ice_growing_%20not_melting.htm
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A journalist's view of the science:
http://www.examiner.com/seminole-county-environmental-news-in-orlando/exposure-of-global-warming-deception-goes-viral?CID=examiner_alerts_article
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Debunking the supposed greenhouse gas effect:
http://climate-change-theory.com/
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Understanding how Nature's natural variation in climate and weather was twisted into unfounded climate alarm:
http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/The%20Eco%20Fraud_part%201.pdf
References on Climategate 1: http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/additional%20material/climategate%20references.pdf
Many deeper revelations in Climategate 2 available on the internet.
Let's get back to real science. End the climate con.
Malcolm
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http://www.real-science.com/shipwrecked-laughter-gods
Nature controls climate.
Thankfully
And fraudsters like Hansen were either fooled or used it to manipulate people.
I doubt he was fooled. He has ignored satellite and weather balloon measurements of atmospheric temperature that reveal no warming for the last 13 years. And previous modest warming was cyclical.
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Malcolm,
You seem to do a lot of talking to yourself!
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I'm not fussy about to whom I talk.
At least i discuss the science.
Malcolm
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pjlk:
Less than a month ago Nick contributed to this thread with, quote: "Thank you for those, Malcolm. I particularly enjoyed "Thriving with nature & humanity"; condensing all the noise into something quite concise & actually positive is quite refreshing!"
He worked it out: this is a collection for those who want to understand climate reality.
You and CR-V9 have made many comments. Those comments stand for all to see and evaluate. Thank you for helping all who visit to realise that you have no facts to support your case and only seek other motives.
I'll be here if you're ever ready to discuss the science and not play the man.
Until then you'll continue to assist my cause anyway.
Much appreciated pjlk.
Happy New Year to you.
Malcolm
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Yet more scientists expose the nonsense of the supposed greenhouse gas warming effect. An American and a German:
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=9233
From the conclusion, quote:
"Based on our findings, we conclude that 1) the so- called atmospheric greenhouse effect cannot be proved by the statistical description of fortuitous weather events that took place in past climate periods, 2) the description by AMS and WMO has to be discarded because of physical reasons, 3) energy-flux budgets for the Earth- atmosphere system do not provide tangible evidence that the atmospheric greenhouse effect does exist. Because of this lack of tangible evidence it is time to acknowledge that the atmospheric greenhouse effect and especially its climatic impact are based on meritless conjectures."
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Even the fraudsters doubt that human production of CO2 caused Earth's latest modest cyclic global warming that ended around 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eToR5oOvJiU
Yet gullible fools swallow the guff spread by government and media.
Malcolm
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Why do we continue hearing stories of disappearing Arctic ice?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083542/Tanker-carrying-supplies-stranded-Alaskan-village-gets-stuck-ice-flows-crosses-frigid-Bering-Sea.html
Why are we told things that contradict reality?
Malcolm
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The truth can be found by analysing the data in context.
Presenting single data points in isolation and out of context shows gross ignorance and possibly deception.
Relying on snap shots at the end of a long, hot summer and comparing it with other months or averages is at best meaningless, at worst deceptive.
Presenting a baseline at the end of a 30 year cooler period is meaningless, possibly deceptive.
It's time to get real and understand the two major causes of variation:
- Inherent natural variation, and
- Process change.
BS AGW is an example of the former being portrayed as the latter. There is no process change. Climate is varying entirely within the limits of natural, inherent variation. This applies to Arctic sea ice, rainfall, droughts, storm frequency and intensity, ...
Understand more on page 35 here: http://www.conscious.com.au/__documents/Thriving%20with%20nature%20and%20humanity_single.pdf
I've presented time series data showing there is no process change. Please present time series data, CR-V9 showing data in context.
Al Gore implies drips of water from melting ice is evidence of human causation of global warming. Ice melts every year. Such melting ice is evidence of nothing other than seasonal variation.
Please do not be like Al Gore. Get real and please stop fabricating and misrepresenting climate.
Please treat us and yourself with respect.
Please, CR-V9 provide real-world scientific evidence of a process change in climate caused by human production of CO2.
Please, CR-V9 provide reasons why you support damage to humans, to humanity and to the environment despite your lack of data.
Please be honest in portraying data.
Malcolm
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Let's use NASA's satellites to check Antarctica's temperature:
http://sppiblog.org/news/antarctic-temperature-trends
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Let's use NASA's satellites to check Antarctica's temperature:
http://sppiblog.org/news/antarctic-temperature-trends
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Is Antarctica Melting?01.12.10 The continent of Antarctica has been losing more than 100 cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice per year since 2002.
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There has been lots of talk lately about Antarctica and whether or not the continent's giant ice sheet is melting. One new paper 1, which states there’s less surface melting recently than in past years, has been cited as "proof" that there’s no global warming. Other evidence that the amount of sea ice around Antarctica seems to be increasing slightly 2-4 is being used in the same way. But both of these data points are misleading. Gravity data collected from space using NASA's Grace satellite show that Antarctica has been losing more than a hundred cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice each year since 2002. The latest data reveal that Antarctica is losing ice at an accelerating rate, too. How is it possible for surface melting to decrease, but for the continent to lose mass anyway? The answer boils down to the fact that ice can flow without melting.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html
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One more thing, here is the thing.
For some of the pictures I've posted, I believe they've done some photographic trickeries to dramatize the effects of AGW. As the paper article said that there are biases on everybody. As Michael Crichton said in his famous book there are biases in science, too, even with hard data. I believe so, too.
This is not about one picture or one temperature data or one CO2 data or one sea level data or .... It is a satistical analysis of collective data of things together, to me at least.
Of course, there are arguments about how much or how fast or what effect? One can argue melting glaciers are not that bad or it's part seasonal so hard to tell or etc...
That is fine with me. They are legitimate scientific arguments and scientific discussions amongst scientists and such. I don't do details. It's too scientific to me. I let scientists argue over those.
My whole point is that AGW is real and happening, now. That's it, nothing more or nothing less.
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