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There seems to be a lot of opinions on the looks and engineering of the new CR-V. Is anyone actually thinking about buying one?
Do you think we will be able to haggle the price or are the dealers going to sell them at MSRP or higher?
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aznstuart
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My family is. We are giving our son the 2005 CR-V to take to college. Hope to get one of the first ones late December. We've historically gotten the LX version ('04 LX 2WD, '05 LX AWD, '07 LX AWD), but I think this time we'll go for the EX AWD.
The EX traditionally has not offered enough to push us to upgrade to it for the extra 2 grand or so. We don't care for the 6-disk CD changer or the moonroof or the little frills like illumated switches or ext temp gauge. What I did want were the nicer wheels, tinted glass, and the chrome pieces.
But I think with this generation, I'm going to finally splurge a little and go for the EX. The larger wheel/tire package, nicer wheels, tinted glass, 6 speakers, nice interior materior (suede-like apparently), and body colored/chrome pieces are pushing us towards the higher priced model.
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aznxthuggie
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I may be buying... but in 2015 for the mmc..
tired of honda holding things back from the fmc's
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danielgr
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aznxthuggie wrote:
I may be buying... but in 2015 for the mmc..
tired of honda holding things back from the fmc's
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You know,, they have to keep selling those things for 5 years, and they are not going to fire half oof the workers at mid-life...
Btw, if you wait for the mmc you'll be 2y from next FMC which will bring even more stuff and....
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We were in the market for the new CR-V, got out of the market with a 2012 Subary Legacy Limited CVT.
Honda's minimum effort at FE- just enough to tweak numbers in it's class- a big concern, the Leggie has some serious FE cache, the CVT overachieves the EPA ratings the way old Hondas used to.
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DCR
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danielgr wrote:
aznxthuggie wrote:
I may be buying... but in 2015 for the mmc..
tired of honda holding things back from the fmc's
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You know,, they have to keep selling those things for 5 years, and they are not going to fire half oof the workers at mid-life...
Btw, if you wait for the mmc you'll be 2y from next FMC which will bring even more stuff and....
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So, Honda purposely holds back features in order to keep workers employed, and to keep sales lively? They must be the only automaker on the planet in order to afford such a stupid approach.
If my wife wants a 2012 CR-V, she can have one. I think she is still after one of those Mazda CUV's though, so we'll see.
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giltibo
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No MT, no CR-V. Wife traded her '03 CR-V for... a Mazda 5 GT 6MT. Sorry Honda, I am so disappointed... Mazda will also make the 6MT available in its CX-5. Watch out CR-V!!!
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aznxthuggie
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danielgr wrote:
aznxthuggie wrote:
I may be buying... but in 2015 for the mmc..
tired of honda holding things back from the fmc's
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You know,, they have to keep selling those things for 5 years, and they are not going to fire half oof the workers at mid-life...
Btw, if you wait for the mmc you'll be 2y from next FMC which will bring even more stuff and....
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That's also true, however seeing that honda will continue to "rebalance" features for future cars due to the high yen, I see more features being axed.
I've been keeping track of what honda does for it's FMC/MMC's recently, and if you look at it, it goes something like this:
MY1 - Test Model. Usually has numerous small problems, or big problems. Least discounts/most expensive. Does not necessarily have newest engine or transmission (See CR-V or TL or Civic or etc etc etc..)
MY2 - Small MY1 problems fixed.
MY3 - (If early MMC) MY1/2 Big problems fixed, otherwise very few changes, 1 year away from MMC
MY4 - (Typical MMC) MY1-3 Problems fixed, introduce new features, drivetrains, heavily adjusted body styles. Still 3 years away from the 2nd year of the next FMC.
MY5 - Little to no changes, very close to the FMC, the most discounts, probably most reliable of the model run.
MY6 - (SUV's only?) = no/very few changes, too close to the next FMC
So from that list, I'd either buy year 2 or year 4.
Year 2 if you want to newest and relatively reliable and still being far away from the FMC. However, if you figure out after you buy (like I have with my TL) that there are problems inherent in the vehicles design, you'd be too close to the MMC (huge depreciation losses), and won't be able to buy the FMC for 5 years (2nd year of the next FMC on a 5 year cycle).
Year 4 if you like the generations looks, as it will not always change for the better for the FMC 2 years later (but then I'd wait for the 2nd year of the fmc), and want to keep for the long run since later MY's usually have the most features and are the most reliable.
I wouldn't buy year 1 because it almost always has problems (even if small), wouldn't buy year 3 because you'd be too close to the MMC, and wouldn't buy year 5 because you'd be too close to the FMC.
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danielgr
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DCR wrote:
danielgr wrote:
aznxthuggie wrote:
I may be buying... but in 2015 for the mmc..
tired of honda holding things back from the fmc's
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You know,, they have to keep selling those things for 5 years, and they are not going to fire half oof the workers at mid-life...
Btw, if you wait for the mmc you'll be 2y from next FMC which will bring even more stuff and....
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So, Honda purposely holds back features in order to keep workers employed, and to keep sales lively? They must be the only automaker on the planet in order to afford such a stupid approach.
If my wife wants a 2012 CR-V, she can have one. I think she is still after one of those Mazda CUV's though, so we'll see.
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- FMCs introduce revised platforms and catch buyers on the new overall package.
- MMCs add new revised internals that make it worth buying despite not offering nothing really new as a package.
That way both FMC and MMC buyers get "additional value", and I don't see how could you get screwed, with competition increasing it's impossible to make a class-leading product that stays ahead for 5 years in a row. I don't think either they are "holding stuff on purpose", they are simply working on "step by step" approach:
- A large team first makes the base and work the hell out of it to get it ready in 3y,
- A smaller team then spends another two refining it.
Then back to the 3y development of the next gen all over again.
It's also not only automakers that do that, what do you thing after all that Apple's "S" models are. You go from 3G to 3GS, from 4 to 4GS, and so on. I don't see anything bad with it, unless you are not smart enough to understand how things are, in which case you may feel cheated, but that is really your very own problem.
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DCR
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The Apple comparison doesn't hold water. Honda has never given a leap comparable, but nice try.
You seem to have it all figured out, just like Honda. Enjoy your ride to the bottom.
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Powered by Honda
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giltibo wrote:
No MT, no CR-V. Wife traded her '03 CR-V for... a Mazda 5 GT 6MT. Sorry Honda, I am so disappointed... Mazda will also make the 6MT available in its CX-5. Watch out CR-V!!!
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And Diesel in 1-2years is comin to usa!
The cr-v engine will probably get a dream earth one in a couple of years. But why wait when Mazda has the technology today in the cx-5 6mt.
Honda feels like Blackberry always 1 step behind.
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iutodd
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Powered by Honda wrote:
giltibo wrote:
No MT, no CR-V. Wife traded her '03 CR-V for... a Mazda 5 GT 6MT. Sorry Honda, I am so disappointed... Mazda will also make the 6MT available in its CX-5. Watch out CR-V!!!
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And Diesel in 1-2years is comin to usa!
The cr-v engine will probably get a dream earth one in a couple of years. But why wait when Mazda has the technology today in the cx-5 6mt.
Honda feels like Blackberry always 1 step behind.
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CX-5 isn't on sale yet so the technology isn't available to anyone. I think both cars will have their pluses and minuses but obviously Mazda is being much more aggressive with this vehicle than they ever were with the Tribute. Good competition is never a bad thing.
And maybe Honda will, like they are apparently doing with the Civic, throw us a bone and the CR-V will get all new power trains in early 2013. Obviously they couldn't get Earth Dreams ready in time for the CR-V launch. It wouldn't be unprecedented in the industry either for a manufacturer to FMC a vehicle and then give it new power trains the next model year (see Ford Mustang). I actually wouldn't be surprised if this happens more often because of the accelerating fuel standards. However I do think Honda will wait until 2014ish to put a new engine in the CR-V, unless sales are hurting.
Comparing the car industry with the cell phone industry is a bit of a stretch due to the amazingly compressed time between model releases as compared to cars. The phone market is also highly splintered and not really on any fixed schedule. (Apple is an exception with their "one new phone a year" rule.) The Blackberry comparison is somewhat apt. Blackberry does one thing unbelievably well: physical keyboards. For heavy e-mail/messagers this is a Godsend. Blackberry is behind on Apps and OS. Honda has been relying upon VTEC for a long time because it works, and they implement it, unbelievably well (they also build very reliable cars). For people who value real-world performance and efficiency (and low maintenance costs) Honda engines are a Godsend. Honda (and Acura) is (are) behind on what I term "buzzword" tech like DI, DCT's, 6-7-8AT's, etc. I think the big difference is that Honda is, obviously, very aggressively looking to change all that. That doesn't help someone who wants to buy a car now, but it is a good thing.
And it always comes down to the same things: the buzzword tech makes it look like one company is ahead of another but that doesn't mean a certain product is better just because of that tech. I just got an Iphone 4 after owning a Blackberry for years and obviously it's light years ahead of what I had in terms of the different things it can do. However I type like crap on this phone and I'm sure that eventually I'll get better but I miss the physical keyboard on my Curve because I hardly ever made mistakes in typing and I could type faster. I also used to be able to press ONE button to make a phone call and now I have to press four. So I have all sorts of new toys to try out and they have probably made the phone a worthwhile purchase, but I really miss that keyboard and that ease of actually, you know, making a call. But in the particular area of physical keyboards, ALL the manufacturers are behind Blackberry. Just like there are some areas where ALL the manufacturers are behind Honda.
And it seems like Honda is aiming to have the Earth Dreams tech implemented in all their cars within the next three years. For as many cars as they produce that's pretty impressive if it actually comes to pass and is really aggressive. We first started hearing about Ecoboost in 2007 or 2008 I believe (though production didn't start until May 2009). It will eventually take Ford about 6 years to offer Ecoboost throughout their lineup from introduction. If Honda can put the Earth Dreams engines in all of their cars (not just offered) in just three from intro that's amazing really. We'll see if it happens or not.
And to answer the OP's question, I am not actually considering buying a CR-V because I'm not in the market. I will go look at it and test drive it though.
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HondaMotorCo007
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hooked wrote:
There seems to be a lot of opinions on the looks and engineering of the new CR-V. Is anyone actually thinking about buying one?
Do you think we will be able to haggle the price or are the dealers going to sell them at MSRP or higher?
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I am planning to trade my 2006 Civic for the 2012 CR-V. I am fine with the 185HP engine, love the new rear seat mechanism, the standard features, and the design. I don't like the fact that the car still has a 5AT and lacks Earth Dreams tech, but I''m sure i'll have to wait till MMC for that to be changed.
Price will prob. be close to MSRP for awhile.
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The whole dash design on the '12 model is a big dissapointment. I don't mind that they put color coding for ECO mode, but the clear symetrical gauges of the previous generation will be truely missed. There is certainly a focus away from performance with the tach having lost so much real estate on the dash.
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Honda put a new AWD system instead of a new 200hp engine or 6, 7, 8 speed A/T in the 2012 CR-V [good for marketing hype, you know what I mean].
Clearly, the performance you're looking for is not high priority in the redesign. The performance Honda looking for is fuel efficiency and how to satisfy the needs of the majority owners. Get real.
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aznxthuggie
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/story/2011-11-17/honda-cr-v-test-drive/51272458/1
"Loaded AWD test vehicle registered 27.1 mpg (3.69 gallons per 100 miles) in 237 high-speed highway miles and 16 mpg (6.25 gal. per 100 mi.) in suburban driving."
Am I the only one worried about this?
27mpg for the hwy is fine imo, but 16 for city? Is that a normal number for compact SUV's?
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owequitit
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DCR wrote:
The Apple comparison doesn't hold water. Honda has never given a leap comparable, but nice try.
You seem to have it all figured out, just like Honda. Enjoy your ride to the bottom.
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Sorry DCR, but you are spewing drivel in this case. EVERY SINGLE HONDA MODEL ever produced brought additional content at the MMC. Most also brought substantially revised powertrains with more power, etc, so to pretend this is A) new behavior and B) isn't something that everyone else does is just silly. We get it. You don't like the 5AT. Don't buy one.
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superchg
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xman wrote:
The whole dash design on the '12 model is a big dissapointment. I don't mind that they put color coding for ECO mode, but the clear symetrical gauges of the previous generation will be truely missed. There is certainly a focus away from performance with the tach having lost so much real estate on the dash.
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Since the '12 CRV's will all be auto-tragic's, does it really matter much that the tach has less real estate? It seems like a pretty nice interior over all!
:)
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Double J
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We are looking into buying the new CR-V but I'm going to wait for the new RDX and judge which is the better value for the family. I just can't see Honda using the K24 in the new RDX at this point.
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danielgr
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aznxthuggie wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/story/2011-11-17/honda-cr-v-test-drive/51272458/1
"Loaded AWD test vehicle registered 27.1 mpg (3.69 gallons per 100 miles) in 237 high-speed highway miles and 16 mpg (6.25 gal. per 100 mi.) in suburban driving."
Am I the only one worried about this?
27mpg for the hwy is fine imo, but 16 for city? Is that a normal number for compact SUV's?
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- the city (traffic)
- your pedal
- your load
Unlike highway driving (for which most parametes vary within a pretty thin range), those three factors extremely affect short city runs like those on a road test.
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HondaMotorCo007
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aznxthuggie wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/story/2011-11-17/honda-cr-v-test-drive/51272458/1
"Loaded AWD test vehicle registered 27.1 mpg (3.69 gallons per 100 miles) in 237 high-speed highway miles and 16 mpg (6.25 gal. per 100 mi.) in suburban driving."
Am I the only one worried about this?
27mpg for the hwy is fine imo, but 16 for city? Is that a normal number for compact SUV's?
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If I recall, that's the only review that got that low. The rest were in the 21-24 mpg range in the city, and 27-31 on the Hwy. Im sure that if the "econ" button is pressed one can do even better.
I live in NYC and my 08 CRV was always around 19-23 in the city. I expect to get better on the new one.
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Yes the CRV is Ok in traffic for its size - better than a lot of diesels.
Anyhow if Honda offers a MT & IMA version - anything bigger than the CRZ I ll take it.
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ipribadi
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Double J wrote:
We are looking into buying the new CR-V but I'm going to wait for the new RDX and judge which is the better value for the family. I just can't see Honda using the K24 in the new RDX at this point. |
Same here, I will be in the market in another 6-9 months, but will wait out to see the '13 RDX first.
What worries me about the RDX is another K23T, 5AT and less utility space compared to the CRV.
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DCR
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owequitit wrote:
DCR wrote:
The Apple comparison doesn't hold water. Honda has never given a leap comparable, but nice try.
You seem to have it all figured out, just like Honda. Enjoy your ride to the bottom.
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Sorry DCR, but you are spewing drivel in this case. EVERY SINGLE HONDA MODEL ever produced brought additional content at the MMC. Most also brought substantially revised powertrains with more power, etc, so to pretend this is A) new behavior and B) isn't something that everyone else does is just silly. We get it. You don't like the 5AT. Don't buy one.
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Where did I say I didn't like the 5AT? Got a link?
My point here, is that maybe Honda should jump out of the gate with some of these features, some of the time, and generate some louder buzz?
Simply because that is how they traditionally do it, doesn't mean anything.
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Double J
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ipribadi wrote:
Double J wrote:
We are looking into buying the new CR-V but I'm going to wait for the new RDX and judge which is the better value for the family. I just can't see Honda using the K24 in the new RDX at this point. |
Same here, I will be in the market in another 6-9 months, but will wait out to see the '13 RDX first.
What worries me about the RDX is another K23T, 5AT and less utility space compared to the CRV.
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I agree I don't like the FE of the K23T and besides we really don't need that much sport in a small CUV. I would prefer to have more luxury and utility. IMO that engine should have been in the TSX instead.
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Fishbulb
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I was waiting for it for the last full year to literally buy it- was very impressed by the concept, the rumor of the 2.5L and the 6spd transmission.
So I bought an Outback CVT last week. My first non-honda in 20 years.
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raw nerve
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Hoe do you like the outback. Was going to get the new crv, My dealer has a 2012 crv and looked at it from the outside and not to happy with the looks. it might have been the color which was silver,
My next was is going to me a 2012 impreza 5 door in pearl white. How do u like the cvt?
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raw nerve
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Fishbulb wrote:
I was waiting for it for the last full year to literally buy it- was very impressed by the concept, the rumor of the 2.5L and the 6spd transmission.
So I bought an Outback CVT last week. My first non-honda in 20 years.
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How do you like the outback. Was going to get the new crv, My dealer has a 2012 crv and looked at it from the outside and not to happy with the looks. it might have been the color which was silver,
My next was is going to me a 2012 impreza 5 door in pearl white. How do u like the cvt?
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I am. Old fart with some toys to haul (inside the vehicle). Don't care if the tech is the latest thing, as long as it is decent.
Oddly enough, I will probably cross shop it against the Mazda5. Contest will be to see which is the least ugly (Mazda loses there I think) and which has the most room inside with the least size outside.
I live in a city where parking is extremely tight, so the CR-V is absolutely the largest I could go, and it might already be too wide.
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JR
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BTW someone said his dealer had one. Are they at dealers? When will they be on the Honda website?
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