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Power Of Dreams

Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)

11-01-2011 01:18

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Power Of Dreams wrote:
I have a bias against Japanese cars that are not sold in Japan, such as the Altima, the Galant and the Avalon. I figure if they're not good enough to be sold in Japan, why would I want one? The only exception was the TL which was very Japanese in its execution.

Bias against Japanese Cars not sold in Japan? The best selling most-popular most-profitable Hondas are NOT sold in Japan.

You ever drive an MDX? Or a Pilot? Even the Odyssey? Those are great vehicles by any standard. THey win comparisons left and right, sell well and make lots and lots of money.

The US Accord-TL is not sold in Japan in significant numbers and is almost completely an American project.

Same with the Odyssey, Pilot, MDX family. All fine vehicles, none practical in any way for Japan.

In fact, I would guess that most of American Honda's profit comes from sales of those US-Designed vehicles.

Why aren't they sold in Japan? Because they don't fit, literally and figuratively.

You think Japan ordered those vehicles be built for the American market. You think the development of those cars, particularly the Odyssey-Pilot-MDX, was directed from Japan where they would not know what to do with an Odyssey or MDX?

Mendel can do more than you think he can. His marching orders are to make money, any way he can.

Man, you really need to chill out. By the way, I specified cars and not trucks or vans.

The MDX and Odyssey were sold in Japan at one point. The Odyssey and the Elysion are very similar. And I drove a Pilot once, wouldn't say it was great but that's beside the point.

As for the Accord, Jeff said it best when he criticized Honda for blending their Camry and Avalon fighters into one car. Since all rumors have the TSX and Accord merging back into one (thankfully), they're going to a more Japanese formula.

Most US-exclusive Japanese cars suffer from either being overengined and underchassised, being oversized and built cheaper than Japanese-designed and built world vehicles.

The Accord sedan feels like a Buick Regal and the coupe feels like a Chevrolet Monte Carlo to me. At least the TSX and Fit feel like a Honda should.

Anyways, look at the following cars designed for North America by Japanese automakers that have no counterpart in Japan:

Mitsubishi Galant
Nissan Altima
Honda Accord Coupe
Mazda6 (North America)
Subaru Tribeca
New Civic
Toyota Solara

None of those cars are particularly great when compared to their predecessors that were Japanese designed and engineered or to other vehicles made by the same company that are either global cars/sold in Japan.

The TL is not sold in Japan at all. However, the execution of the third-generation TL at least, was very Japanese, arguably moreso than its Japanese-built rival, the G35. The rest are either overengined boats with limp handling

And instead of telling me that Mendel will do more than control Honda's marketing efforts, show me a link or any kind of evidence. He saw this coming from ten miles away and I'm sure part of the Civic's problems comes from Mendel's indoctrination in the culture of piling junk high and selling it cheap from his beginnings at Ford.

The old Honda would have had Erik Berkman running the show (TL engineer and HFP CEO), not this marketing clown.

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10-31-2011 08:27	Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	TSX69
10-31-2011 08:58	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Steve
10-31-2011 09:10	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	superchg
10-31-2011 18:47	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	HONDA AFVM
10-31-2011 19:18	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Bullwinkle
10-31-2011 20:01	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	HONDA AFVM
10-31-2011 20:07	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	DCR
10-31-2011 13:25	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Waldo
10-31-2011 14:11	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Mr. Taggart
10-31-2011 14:46	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	typer_801
10-31-2011 16:43	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	DCR
10-31-2011 18:37	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	MalcolmR
10-31-2011 18:44	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	HondaJet
11-01-2011 13:22	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Mr. Taggart
11-01-2011 14:51	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	superchg
11-01-2011 18:06	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Mr. Taggart
10-31-2011 21:59	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Power Of Dreams
10-31-2011 23:43	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	auto_enthu
11-01-2011 01:04	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Powered by Honda
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11-01-2011 01:18	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Power Of Dreams
11-01-2011 00:59	Re: Honda Hurries to ReDo Civic (Score: 1, Normal)	Powered by Honda
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