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  TOV News > Spied on the Street! 2013 Acura "Sub-TSX" (RSX?)!! > > Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes....

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notyper
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Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 10:47
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You'd think that maybe, since its an Acura, they spend the extra $100 to upsize the brakes a bit and go with a better tire......

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DCR
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 11:04
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notyper wrote:
You'd think that maybe, since its an Acura, they spend the extra $100 to upsize the brakes a bit and go with a better tire......

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Honestly, I was expecting something more exciting. I realize there is wrap on it, but wrap can't hide an aggressive stance, brakes as you mention, etc. Maybe we were expecting too much.
dominik331
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 15:00
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Do you mean a sport tire instead of the all season? Michelin is what they already used on some of their top trim more expensive models.
dominik331
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 15:01
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And I think they are overrated.
Dren
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 15:20
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Does it really need larger rotors, I'm not being snide, it's a serious question? Tires, yes, I think something like this car should have better OEMs. Maybe a $200 dollar option like the Civics had? A good ABS system and sticky tires will help.
NickDC5
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 15:32
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Yeah I honestly can't say it needs larger rotors. That's not going to decrease braking distance. Possibly braking feel, and definitely brake fade, but are people really going to track this thing?
notyper
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 18:35
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Hondas have had some issues with braking and its getting more and more press. The Michelin MXM or whatever all-season tires are pretty poor grippers. They make otherwise good chassis look mediocre. And they don't help with braking.

Brake hardware wise, the brakes on Hondas don't have enough thermal mass. This means they get hotter, which means you have to spec different pads to handle the heat. If you don't, you get fade and increased pad wear - both of which are problems that Honda/Acura vehicles face. If you go with a bigger rotor and thicker caliper, you get more pad surface area. This means less overall temperature for a given stop/series of stops. You also get quicker recovery and better pad life. And you can spec a less dusty, less noisy pad because of the temperature reductions.

11.8" rotors on what will likely be a 3100-3200 lbs car with all the luxury options, especially if it is to be a sport sedan, is just too small. Stepping up to a 12.5 or 13" rotor, and going vented in the rear will add 20% more thermal mass, better heat dissipation and braking. Weight increases will be in the range of 3-4 lbs/corner and cost increases will be minimal - on the order of $50-$100 OEM pricing.

The only reason I can see that Honda has stuck with 11.8" rotors for so long (remember, the original DC2 ITR got 11" rotors, and the S2000 used 11.8" rotors at only 2750 lbs) is that they might lose half a mpg with heavier brakes (and stickier tires too) and they are putting fuel economy above everything else they do.

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technica
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 20:37
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Why are you surprised? Honda is known for weak brakes. All I know is I miss the size of the 1st Gen TSX. And looking at the dimensions of this car, it would definitely fit the bill for my next car (2 years more with my current ride). But only if:

1) Its not based on the current Civic sedan chassis.
2) Its gets a new motor. I am more then happy with a NA4 or even happier with the RDX turbo 4.
3) 6 speed transmission.
4) Double wishbone suspension (with euro tuned springs/shocks).
5) I have no doubt the interior will be nice.
technica
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Re: Same old Michelin All-Seasons and 11.8" brakes.... [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-19-2011 20:40
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Whoopsie. I just read that this is based on the civic platform. I am so shaking my head in disgust right now.
 
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